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@ThanatosWhy in the world would the GOP want Trump impeached? He's given them everything they want for the most part and he's extremely popular with the base. He also won states that were previously seen as kind of untouchable for Republicans. The only thing the GOP cares about is lining their pockets. Mitt Romney isn't saying this out of some sort of moral prerogative lol. He's saying it because he believes he can gain politically from it. I don't see how people believe there are these decent people in the Republican party that would flip on Trump. These are people who want to steal from working families, pollute impoverished communities for profit in the US and murder innocent people for profit abroad as they exploit people too poor to pursue higher education in this country . They have no moral compass. Trump is your typical Republican in every way but he's more belicose and just not very intelligent. 

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All Trump and the GOP have to do is wait for the DNC and super delegates to rig another primary so a corporatist Republican wins the Democratic nomination as they waltz their way to a slam dunk victory with low election turn out. 

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2 hours ago, BwareDWare94 said:

:shrug: Biden did something shady and Trump did something shady in response. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I'm not going to get all up in arms over it. Democrats are acting like Trump ran over Biden's dog and bragged about, for Christ's sake.

Moderate American voters are desensitized because these things get blown so far out of proportion. 

So first off, again, zero evidence that Biden did anything wrong. Secondly, soliciting multiple foreign nations to dig up dirt on a political rival during an election season =/ using your influence to get your son a position he has no business holding. The one is 100% black and white illegal. It directly goes against the law. The second is indeed shady. Again, no evidence that is what happened, but that is what is alleged by Rudy Giulani and the perpetual liars at the Trump admin. Color me skeptical they're telling the truth on this one since Rudy has lied about as often as he has breathed when he appears on TV.

Note that it is equally possible, even more likely given what we do know, that Hunter was hired as a way to get to Joe Biden because the company thought that would be a good idea and that never really panned out for them. 

The right's conspiracy theory is that Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired alone, solely because he was investigating the firm Hunter worked at. The prosecutor was widely seen as corrupt and had already thrown many people in jail of the opposite political party merely because they were of that party. He was a Russian stooge. Yet another Russian sympathizer Rudy and Trump are defending. So shocking.

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@Thanatos, you're a smart dude but you have childishly naive and tribalistic view on this one. Giuliani and Trump are absolutely corrupt liars but that doesn't mean Biden isn't too.

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2 minutes ago, seanbrock said:

@Thanatos, you're a smart dude but you have childishly naive and tribalistic view on this one. Giuliani and Trump are absolutely corrupt liars but that doesn't mean Biden isn't too.

Did not say he wasnt, son. 

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The texts you reference specifically say there is no quid pro quo...

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And no I won't believe anything until there is proof of the allegation. Show me something not just your word 

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There's a ton of evidence that Biden is guilty.. he says it himself. He literally admits to blackmailing / extorting / strong arming Ukraine. 
 

 

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Well there is evidence...

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7 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Did not say he wasnt, son. 

I'm not sure why you would defend the Biden's or the press's coverage of this. It's pretty clear he's being protected. Lol

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7 minutes ago, seanbrock said:

I'm not sure why you would defend the Biden's or the press's coverage of this. It's pretty clear he's being protected. Lol

It's pretty clear you need another tinfoil hat made for you. You still think Biden isnt leading because you, in your tiny little circle of people you see, don't know anyone supporting him.

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What does that have to do with him being protected.

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18 minutes ago, Omerta said:

The texts you reference specifically say there is no quid pro quo...

Puhlease. The Ukrainian ambassador specifically says what's going on. He would know better than anyone else.

 You guys seriously sound just like Trump supporters at this point. "He didn't do it despite the evidence right there." "And if he did, it's not really a big deal he broke the law." "And if it is, someone else did something worse." Straight out of the right-wing playbook at this point.

Why is it every single time we accuse Trump of something he actually did, all the right wingers can do is whataboutism. 

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21 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

There's a ton of evidence that Biden is guilty.. he says it himself. He literally admits to blackmailing / extorting / strong arming Ukraine. 
 

 

This is the exact bullshit I'm talking about. Thank you for posting it so we can deal with this nonsense. First off, obligatory lmaoSaavedra. Anyone at the Daily Wire is nothing as a source or a journalist. That webzine is nothing more than a cesspool.

Secondly, this prosecutor was going to be fired, Ukraine had told us as much, because the man was corrupt as hell. This post lays it out, and I encourage you to read it. It's not biased towards Biden, but it does explain Viktor Pshonka, the prosecutor-general (links are at the bottom) https://imgur.com/gallery/Xu86rtk

Biden is not doing this of his own accord. This is the Obama admin pressuring Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor. The right wing nutcases continue to make it out like Biden is going after him because of the case versus the company his son worked at. A case that had gone nowhere for two years and was completely stalled out. This part, of course, they leave out because it doesn't fit their conspiracy narrative.

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Well that's a dumb position to take. It is not whataboutism when we are indeed wondering if one of the parties involved actually did anything wrong.  How is that whataboutism when the person we are talking about is involved. You're smarter than that. Just because all YOU want to talk about is Trump does not mean we have to follow suit.

Second the texts are exactly what I am talking about. You are connecting the dots you want. Not saying you're wrong, but that is far from proof. A mixed jury comes back not guilty or hung Everytime unless there are 12 of you. Judging by the poll Favre quoted about 6 would not buy it either.

Third. Don't name call people for pointing out your wrong. It's pointless. You have come a.long way but you still can't admit that maybe other people have a point and your way is not the only one 

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2 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

This is the exact bullshit I'm talking about. Thank you for posting it so we can deal with this nonsense. First off, obligatory lmaoSaavedra. Anyone at the Daily Wire is nothing as a source or a journalist. That webzine is nothing more than a cesspool.

Secondly, this prosecutor was going to be fired, Ukraine had told us as much, because the man was corrupt as hell. This post lays it out, and I encourage you to read it. It's not biased towards Biden, but it does explain Viktor Pshonka, the prosecutor-general (links are at the bottom) https://imgur.com/gallery/Xu86rtk

Biden is not doing this of his own accord. This is the Obama admin pressuring Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor. The right wing nutcases continue to make it out like Biden is going after him because of the case versus the company his son worked at. A case that had gone nowhere for two years and was completely stalled out. This part, of course, they leave out because it doesn't fit their conspiracy narrative.

 

So him saying it, is proof he didn't. Got it.

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If six people say 2+2=4 and six people say 2+2=6 their opinions are not equally valid. This is a blatant crime and public election fraud and if you can't see that at this point, then there is no point to any further talking, because you are simply denying the facts.

Also, talking about Ryan Saavredra, he and others retweeted the crazy woman at the AOC rally who was saying to eat the babies and used it to attack AOC for her views. Except woops! Lady was planted by a pro-Trump PAC who has now come out and admitted to that, apparently because they thought it would be a good idea.

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Just now, Thanatos said:

This is the exact bullshit I'm talking about. Thank you for posting it so we can deal with this nonsense. First off, obligatory lmaoSaavedra. Anyone at the Daily Wire is nothing as a source or a journalist. That webzine is nothing more than a cesspool.

Secondly, this prosecutor was going to be fired, Ukraine had told us as much, because the man was corrupt as hell. This post lays it out, and I encourage you to read it. It's not biased towards Biden, but it does explain Viktor Pshonka, the prosecutor-general (links are at the bottom) https://imgur.com/gallery/Xu86rtk

Biden is not doing this of his own accord. This is the Obama admin pressuring Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor. The right wing nutcases continue to make it out like Biden is going after him because of the case versus the company his son worked at. A case that had gone nowhere for two years and was completely stalled out. This part, of course, they leave out because it doesn't fit their conspiracy narrative.

The video speaks for itself. Just because someone who isn't like or is of the opposition means very little than obviously they have motivation to spread it. Doesn't give Biden an excuse... U|nless you can prove that the video is doctored and spliced together... Uh... He's admitting to pressuring a foreign government. 
 

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Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev. -- USA Today


The fact that this went above Biden and was a problem by the Obama administration itself is heard... But again, isn't a valid excuse for asserting power over foreign governments like that. The fact that Biden didn't do anything or speak up and still hasn't makes him just as culpable.

You're doing exactly what you say you dislike about Trump voters. There's literally a video of Biden admitting to blackmailing the Ukrainian government... yet you say " there is literally no evidence Biden did anything wrong ". You're so laser focused on taking Trump down that you don't care how we have to get there. 

And that's exactly why Trump is winning re-election.

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So the Obama admin was concerned with a corrupt prosecutor in the Ukraine but not the US funded and backed Yemeni genocide perpetrated by Saudi Arabia (started under Obama and Biden)? How about the fact that Obama's admin supported a neo-nazi takeover in the Ukraine? But sure, they were concerned about a corrupt prosecutor lol. 

https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

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It doesn't make them right, but it mean it won't stand in court which is my point. Don't move the goalposts now. And your opinion is more valid then everyone else's?

There is no point in talking because you REFUSE to see Biden may be guilty too. EVERYONE HERE has said he is a piece of shit who is most likely guilty. We want to know what Biden did as well. So if there is no point in talking then it is because you won't admit maybe, just maybe, not all Democrats are saints. And throwing up these hail Marys to make the rest of us look like we're defending Trump is full on Blots shit.

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I think the biggest shit stain out of all of this is that while the Republicans jerk off one side of the aisle and Democrats jerk off the other side of the aisle over all this impeachment / Ukraine BS... that almost literally NOTHING is getting down by our Congresspeople. It's like most of them are just on vacation and making media rounds. Such a complete joke.

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Aren't they on vacation most of the time anyway? When is the last time they were useful?

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You aren't wrong about that. If it isn't this, it's some other news story. There's just always an excuse.

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Yeah. The two party system will be the downfall of this country.

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9 hours ago, Omerta said:

Yeah. The two party system will be the downfall of this country.

We need a constitutional amendment at this point to reverse Citizens United and we need rank choice voting. Unfortunately with how bad our education and media are, most people don't even know what either of those things are. 

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