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Tulsi needs to drop out so we can support this guy... Kappa

“ We can only re-elect Donald Trump “

 

 

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I can't believe i get called a conspiracy theorist for saying it was rigged. Texae has gained 2.5 million residents but LOST 750 polling sites and long lines and polling closures absolutely hurt Bernie because it makes sure all the elderly can come out to vote but all the younger demographics who work all day and have to be up for work the next day just don't have the time. Bernie still wins among younger black people. Low turnout was always going to hurt Bernie. I don't understand how people think it's crazy that with billions and potentially trillions of dollars on the line that there would be election rigging. Bloomberg spent hundreds of millions ot his own money to try to block Sanders lol. Hundreds of millions because he knows he'll make it back under his buddy, Trump. Look at the way the media covers Sanders.

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Oh and if Tulsi does get on the debate stage, she will knee cap Biden for Bernie and then probably drop out. I think they've been working together this whole time. I think she says the things he feels he can't in a lot of ways.

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11 hours ago, seanbrock said:

I can't believe i get called a conspiracy theorist for saying it was rigged. Texae has gained 2.5 million residents but LOST 750 polling sites and long lines and polling closures absolutely hurt Bernie because it makes sure all the elderly can come out to vote but all the younger demographics who work all day and have to be up for work the next day just don't have the time. Bernie still wins among younger black people. Low turnout was always going to hurt Bernie. I don't understand how people think it's crazy that with billions and potentially trillions of dollars on the line that there would be election rigging. Bloomberg spent hundreds of millions ot his own money to try to block Sanders lol. Hundreds of millions because he knows he'll make it back under his buddy, Trump. Look at the way the media covers Sanders.

Because this is absolutely zero evidence of conspiracy, merely incompetence. You gotta have actual proof not just this looks bad.

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Only half the vote is in but Bernie is getting slaughtered in Michigan.

Beginning to think this Bernie coalition is a bit misleading. Looking like a big chunk of his support in 2016 was just anti-Hillary. 

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Exit polls are showing voters are more confident in Biden (idk why but that’s what it is). Keeping polls open (which I agree with) would just make his campaign look even worse. He’s getting pounded by like 100k votes. Lol 

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Donald Trump just won re-election tonight lol. Biden has less than zero chance of beating Trump. More will come out about the election fraud and voter suppression. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/17/georgia-purged-voters-its-rolls-its-second-state-make-cuts-less-than-week/

 

https://www.gregpalast.com/bernie-lost-553000-votes-to-california-dem-party-rules/

 

More will come out. Voter purges, games with the ballots and the machines. All the power of Wallstreet and the party machinery, all that money. It's all against Sanders. I can't believe you guys think these primary results are legit. 

If Bernie Sanders endorses Biden I'm done with him. It means that he doesn't give a fuck about any of his goals with climate change, healthcare, ending the wars...none of it. Grow some balls and run 3rd party. Biden is going to get dismantled. 

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I agree that Biden will get beat.

He just had a great speech though. His team should tell him to carry a teleprompter everywhere he goes and never say anything on his own. A starkly different message than Bernie, who is declining to speak to night.... 

That’s so insane. There’s millions of people voting for Bernie tonight and he won’t even go out and talk. He is mentally done it seems like. 

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2 hours ago, seanbrock said:

Donald Trump just won re-election tonight lol. Biden has less than zero chance of beating Trump. More will come out about the election fraud and voter suppression. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/17/georgia-purged-voters-its-rolls-its-second-state-make-cuts-less-than-week/

 

https://www.gregpalast.com/bernie-lost-553000-votes-to-california-dem-party-rules/

 

More will come out. Voter purges, games with the ballots and the machines. All the power of Wallstreet and the party machinery, all that money. It's all against Sanders. I can't believe you guys think these primary results are legit. 

If Bernie Sanders endorses Biden I'm done with him. It means that he doesn't give a fuck about any of his goals with climate change, healthcare, ending the wars...none of it. Grow some balls and run 3rd party. Biden is going to get dismantled. 

How does him running 3rd party help anything? All that does is guarantee Trump gets re-elected. You still have zero proof of any actual conspiracy. You do know voter rolls are purged on a regular basis right? If there was a story about tons of people showing up and being told they're not registered all of a sudden, then okay, now we have a story. Just because the results don't agree with you, doesn't mean you get to throw a fit about things being rigged.

Sanders is getting his ass kicked and you sound like Trump all of a sudden. Voter fraud is not a thing. Not in these numbers. Never has been. Quit spreading your conspiracy bullshit and accept that the rest of America isn't all-in. Just because you think Bernie is the right choice doesn't automatically mean that he is.

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Trump has already been re-elected lol. It doesn't matter if Bernie runs 3rd party or not. Maybe he could actually get enought votes to make a 3rd party more viable. Biden has zero chance at winning. The GOP is already running some vicious attack ads. Ads that Bernie was too scared to run and now we have 4 more years of Trump. 

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The Bernie bros are much more like Trump than they realize, Thanny.

And F4E called it: Bernie's coalition wasn't as strong as it appeared in 2016; it was just that plenty of Democrats could see Hillary sucked. Too bad the DNC couldn't.

I would call Trump the favorite for sure, but Biden has much more of a chance than a self-described 79-year-old socialist who recently had a heart attack, fair or not.

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Hopefully this carona virus kills off a bunch of these retarded ass boomers. That's all i can say lol.

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3 hours ago, SteVo said:

The Bernie bros are much more like Trump than they realize, Thanny.

And F4E called it: Bernie's coalition wasn't as strong as it appeared in 2016; it was just that plenty of Democrats could see Hillary sucked. Too bad the DNC couldn't.

I would call Trump the favorite for sure, but Biden has much more of a chance than a self-described 79-year-old socialist who recently had a heart attack, fair or not.

 

Yoy think Joe Biden REALLY has a chance against Trump? Bro....the GOP is going to DESTROY Biden and he can't even defend himself. I'm sure the American people are going to buy the stuttering defense. There's no way this guy is legitimately winning a primary. I'm sorry, i just can't buy that. People have known about this since Castro and Booker called him out months ago (which btw the GOP will absolutely use in attack ads.) Biden has ZERO chance. Zero. If you think he does, you're in denial. Lol

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3 hours ago, seanbrock said:

 

Yoy think Joe Biden REALLY has a chance against Trump? Bro....the GOP is going to DESTROY Biden and he can't even defend himself. I'm sure the American people are going to buy the stuttering defense. There's no way this guy is legitimately winning a primary. I'm sorry, i just can't buy that. People have known about this since Castro and Booker called him out months ago (which btw the GOP will absolutely use in attack ads.) Biden has ZERO chance. Zero. If you think he does, you're in denial. Lol

The exit polls say he (Biden) has a better chance against Trump. And while I agree that Trump has an edge, I am thinking that that is shrinking more and more. These states... turnout is pretty damn good. I don't know if it will be enough or if it will even carry over to the general... but it is encouraging to see actual numbers up, because that's where the Dems need to be -- especially in places like Virginia, Michigan, Minnesota, etc etc. Biden is winning those areas over Bernie by HUGE numbers. There is zero doubt left in my mind that Biden is the better candidate to take on Trump (relative to Bernie). 

Bernie is too hostile to people who think differently than him,  and that is very off putting to me. Even during his press conference today... He refused to pivot his campaign, he refused to extend an invitation to moderates or even Republicans that hate Trump... He spent the whole time pandering to his base even more, just like he always does. He talked about how dominantly old people like Biden... Which is true. But Bernie needs those people too... lol. The youth and latino vote alone is not winning him this election.

If there was ever a time to start bringing people together and extending your hand to those who may disagree with you on a few things... Last night / tonight was it. Bernie failed. AGAIN. He is consistently failing but refuses to change anything. I am really beginning to wish Bernie never ran at all. Another thing I am more convinced of than ever is that Bernie was never going to get anything done if he did get into the White House, as Stevo and I were discussing a few pages back. He would've never made any ground on anything. 

Guess who did extend a hand? Biden... He thanked Bernie in his speech. He said he wants those voters and how valuable they are come the fall. That's a leader. That's a president. Bernie is incapable of adapting and because of it he is going to lose the nomination to a guy who can't remember his own name. That's sad.

Depending on how Bernie bows out of this thing and if he helps bridge the gap between progressives and moderates... he could do some serious damage (or serious good) to the party or to the progressive cause in general. I still think he can make some noise at the debate, but I am not convinced he will do anything new or different from what he has already done or said. 

 

 

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I think Biden has a real shot because he can connect with all the rural voters who grew disillusioned with Obama, who were completely ignored by Clinton, who voted for Trump. That's why Clinton lost states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Biden brings those back into the fold.

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Unlike Bernie and the rest of the democrats, Trump will be all over Biden's record, his lies, his obvious dimentia and the fact that he's a creep ( I realize Trump is but he can make it look like a push). Biden is completely untested. He can't defend himself. He will get destroyed by Trump and the GOP. You guys are out of your minds to think Biden is a better choice to go against Trump than Bernie. Absolutely out of your minds.

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If we're going to use that kind of logic, let's envision a Trump vs. Sanders election. All the GOP has to do is run ad after ad with Sanders describing himself as a Socialist. The election is over.

Sean, you need to come to grips with the fact that the far-left pact of the Democratic Party is a much smaller portion of our electorate than it seems. Because they are by far the most vocal on social media, it has been easy to envision the Democrats taking a big step to the left this election cycle. But there are far more blue-blood, moderate, centrist Democrats who flocked to candidates like Biden, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Bloomberg. And the votes prove it.

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1 hour ago, SteVo said:

I think Biden has a real shot because he can connect with all the rural voters who grew disillusioned with Obama, who were completely ignored by Clinton, who voted for Trump. That's why Clinton lost states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Biden brings those back into the fold.

I agree. Have any thoughts about Biden's running mate? I was thinking probably somebody more in Bernie's realm. Need a VP that can attract the progressives and young people. Warren?

1 hour ago, seanbrock said:

Unlike Bernie and the rest of the democrats, Trump will be all over Biden's record, his lies, his obvious dimentia and the fact that he's a creep ( I realize Trump is but he can make it look like a push). Biden is completely untested. He can't defend himself. He will get destroyed by Trump and the GOP. You guys are out of your minds to think Biden is a better choice to go against Trump than Bernie. Absolutely out of your minds.

Bernie has been destroying Biden's record since Super Tuesday. It's all he talks about. He won't go after the dementia or creeper stuff though, you are right. That's his friend, Joe Biden, which he likes to remind us a lot. lol

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30 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

I agree. Have any thoughts about Biden's running mate? I was thinking probably somebody more in Bernie's realm. Need a VP that can attract the progressives and young people. Warren?

Someone like Warren makes sense to throw the progressive wing a bone, but I think Biden will pick someone a little closer to center. He could always give Warren something like Secretary of Education.

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17 hours ago, seanbrock said:

Unlike Bernie and the rest of the democrats, Trump will be all over Biden's record, his lies, his obvious dimentia and the fact that he's a creep ( I realize Trump is but he can make it look like a push). Biden is completely untested. He can't defend himself. He will get destroyed by Trump and the GOP. You guys are out of your minds to think Biden is a better choice to go against Trump than Bernie. Absolutely out of your minds.

Who's going to care about that? The moderates that just want Trump gone? Don't think so. The far left? They're not going to be persuaded by Trump attack ads, they've made up their minds one way or another already. Trump's base? For sure, but they'd vote for him no matter if Jesus was running against him.

Trump's die-hard supporters are a cult at this point. You're certainly trying to make the case that Bernie's die hard ones are as well.

Bernie is getting smashed next Tuesday and from here on out. His last shot was this past primary. I re-iterate: Voter fraud is not a thing. Quit spreading baseless conspiracy theories.

Now, I do think they need to have the debate to give Biden some practice in a 1-on-1 scenario, but Bernie has zero chance of turning this around.

The American people, at least the Dem electorate, do not want to risk that the country will go from far right to far left in one election. They want Trump out and Biden has always given them the best chance to attract Never Trumpers and moderates. If the far left would actually show up to the polls, they would win, but time and again they prove that they care more about talking on social media than actually voting. Until they do so, the Dems have no reason to prioritize their votes over the moderate Dems that actually show up to the voting booth.

Edit to add: Since Biden's health will likely be attacked, he needs a strong VP pick, one that not only Dems can support but one that the moderates wouldn't be too upset with. I think Julian Castro would be a good pick strategically for those reasons and one more. A lot of Bernie's support comes from the Latino coalition that built up behind him. Castro would potentially persuade some of them to vote for Biden that wouldn't otherwise. I think he's more likely to go with Kamala Harris, and that would be ok as well, but purely from a strategic standpoint, I think Castro is better.

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A lot of black voters don't like Harris, though. Would that not matter, since Biden does well with black voters already?

I agree that Castro would be a solid choice.

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7 hours ago, SteVo said:

A lot of black voters don't like Harris, though. Would that not matter, since Biden does well with black voters already?

I agree that Castro would be a solid choice.

I think she'd be okay, not great. And yeah I don't think Harris would cause any black voters to leave. 

People aren't really voting for Biden as much as against Trump. That generally doesn't work, but given how hated Trump is, and how the economy is tanking due to his absolutely ridiculous mishandling of the coronavirus, which is just hilarious in how utterly incompetent he is, it might work this time around.

I still say Sanders has the better shot. We see independents going for Sanders over Biden so far. But if the economy is truly tanking, Trump's strongest argument is gone and likely his re-election hopes as well. 

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Tulsi Gabbard introduces legislation that would fund a temporary UBI for every American ($1k a month) to combat coronavirus. 
 

Meanwhile the Fed has authorized 1.5 trillion dollars to artificially prop up money markets and banks. This money could fund UBI for every American for the next 6 months. But ya know, fuck actually helping people. 
 

 

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22 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Who's going to care about that? The moderates that just want Trump gone? Don't think so. The far left? They're not going to be persuaded by Trump attack ads, they've made up their minds one way or another already. Trump's base? For sure, but they'd vote for him no matter if Jesus was running against him.

Trump's die-hard supporters are a cult at this point. You're certainly trying to make the case that Bernie's die hard ones are as well.

Bernie is getting smashed next Tuesday and from here on out. His last shot was this past primary. I re-iterate: Voter fraud is not a thing. Quit spreading baseless conspiracy theories.

Now, I do think they need to have the debate to give Biden some practice in a 1-on-1 scenario, but Bernie has zero chance of turning this around.

The American people, at least the Dem electorate, do not want to risk that the country will go from far right to far left in one election. They want Trump out and Biden has always given them the best chance to attract Never Trumpers and moderates. If the far left would actually show up to the polls, they would win, but time and again they prove that they care more about talking on social media than actually voting. Until they do so, the Dems have no reason to prioritize their votes over the moderate Dems that actually show up to the voting booth.

Edit to add: Since Biden's health will likely be attacked, he needs a strong VP pick, one that not only Dems can support but one that the moderates wouldn't be too upset with. I think Julian Castro would be a good pick strategically for those reasons and one more. A lot of Bernie's support comes from the Latino coalition that built up behind him. Castro would potentially persuade some of them to vote for Biden that wouldn't otherwise. I think he's more likely to go with Kamala Harris, and that would be ok as well, but purely from a strategic standpoint, I think Castro is better.

Sorry, I won't have my vote extorted by billionaire democratic donors. Maybe if the DNC thought they might be in danger of imploding we might get medicare for all. You don't get shit if you constantly refuse to fight for anything. I will NEVER vote for Joe Biden. I'm voting Green Party. You should too. Honestly to get anything out of these pieces of shit we need to get out in the streets. Civil Rights didn't get accomplished, women's rights, unions, none of that shit without people getting out in the streets and fighting for it. Just voting Democrat and hoping they save us is a losing strategy. It's obvious Bernie was way too weak to be a revolutionary at this point. He should have been talking about Biden's dementia since South Carolina.

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