War Eagle714 16 Posted September 15, 2012 The bold parts tell me what I need to know. I never claimed to be "Joe Patriot" or some kick ass war hero. I am saying that if you dont realize what this would do to the economy then you have no idea what foreign relations are and the hot bed of conflict that it is going to create. you have not seen me parade around the internet either because I have not. I put up pictures in uniform, dont like it ? Tough shit. People put them on facebook all the time, start complaining there. And how did I "throw it in your face." Didnt do that either. Take control of the middle east huh ? Why would we do that ? As if this war has not almost bankrupted us as it is. They have the oil we are never going to control it while we have the dependency on fossil fuels. My advice to you...Read, research, re -read and then respond. not react. Spoken like a true John Kerry disciple. Gotta love men in uniform who argue against going to war. What'd you enlist for the college money? All that shit about getting shot or having to tell a buddies wife that her husband is dead, (which is untrue b/c the Army doesn't permit information like that to be put out in any other manner than officially), all shit that is know when you take the oath....so stop trying to act like it's such a travesty for Soldiers to have to leave Garrison and do what they are trained to do. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Spoken like a true John Kerry disciple. Gotta love men in uniform who argue against going to war. What'd you enlist for the college money? All that shit about getting shot or having to tell a buddies wife that her husband is dead, (which is untrue b/c the Army doesn't permit information like that to be put out in any other manner than officially), all shit that is know when you take the oath....so stop trying to act like it's such a travesty for Soldiers to have to leave Garrison and do what they are trained to do. Oh I have no problem whatsoever with going to war, moreso that we should be more judicious when we do, not because it is what is popular with the public. No I enlisted because of 9/11. If you are in then you know the communication blackouts dont always work which is why people are always getting caught doing it. And they are only blacked out in certain areas and that contractors who have cell phones are not subject to those blackouts, as it happened to a guy in a brigade next to us and we had to hear about it the next day a conversation I could not imagine seeing as the guy and his friend were in fact brothers. It is not a travesty for soldiers to do what they are trained to do, but do not act like it is something we should do because it would appease a mob. If we go to war with Libya fine but lets not do it because people think that we should just start putting foot to ass because of an extremist group. Edited September 15, 2012 by Ngata_Chance 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
War Eagle714 16 Posted September 15, 2012 Oh I have no problem whatsoever with going to war, moreso that we should be more judicious when we do, not because it is what is popular with the public. No I enlisted because of 9/11. If you are in then you know the communication blackouts dont always work which is why people are always getting caught doing it. And they are only blacked out in certain areas and that contractors who have cell phones are not subject to those blackouts, as it happened to a guy in a brigade next to us and we had to hear about it the next day a conversation I could not imagine seeing as the guy and his friend were in fact brothers. It is not a travesty for soldiers to do what they are trained to do, but do not act like it is something we should do because it would appease a mob. If we go to war with Libya fine but lets not do it because people think that we should just start putting foot to ass because of an extremist group. I said nothing of "going to war" with Libya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted September 15, 2012 I said nothing of "going to war" with Libya. Their already being taken back. What more do you want ? We are hunting the perps down as we speak ? I mean what should be done that is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted September 15, 2012 War Eagle714 is the "liberals are stupid and Republicans are never wrong" demographic personified. In other words, a large part of what's wrong with American politics. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted September 15, 2012 War Eagle714 is the "liberals are stupid and Republicans are never wrong" demographic personified. In other words, a large part of what's wrong with American politics. Aye. And anyone that does not agree with them, for they are infallible, are deemed "liberal idiots". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) If this guy was trying to make a relatively high budget film to stir up shit with Muslims overseas then he is not protected under the first Amendment. I believe that video accomplished exactly what it's makers wanted it to. Sean, the rest of this post's sentiment is not directed at you. Your point is logical, I merely disagree with it. Someone else is making me angry. I think the problem with your position is that of intent. The particular court decision you referenced I am unfamiliar with, but I don't see how it could apply unless you were 100% certain that was the reason he did it. If he put up the movie because he wanted to educate people on the dangers of Islam, even if he did so in an inflammatory matter, it wasn't a good decision, but its not treason. *lots of dumb shit* As for you... wow. I have had enough of your false conservatism, and general asshole-ness. The second part is Zack's job here, thank you very much, and he manages to be funny about it. You are seriously pissing me off. It is a direct conflict for military personnel to parade around the internet and argue politics. Not saying it's illegal but is conduct unbecoming of a Soldier. The job of any SM is to support and defend the Commander-In-Chief; anything opposite is considered insubordination and depending on the severity, is punishable by UCMJ. Military personnel are allowed to give their opinions on whether or not we should go to war, come on man. They aren't supposed to sit there like good little puppets until the CnC makes a decision. My dad has been in the Navy a long time, and is just fine with sharing his opinion. There isn't some law against doing so, and it is certainly not conduct unbecoming. It's called freedom of speech, a thing you seem to be deadset against. My advice to you, stop throwing the fact you wear the uniform in people's faces, posting all these fucking pictures from Iraq all over the place, and trying to paint yourself as "Joe Patriot" on a football forum. My advice to you: Stop being an asshole who has been here for all of two weeks, attacking long-standing members for idiotic things, and learn to not contradict yourself two seconds after you say something, (which we shall get to later). Actually, my real advice to you is to leave the politics well enough alone. TGP's members obviously have a far greater knowledge about politics than you are used to, (and higher IQ, for that matter). A lot of people wear/have worn the uniform...but not everyone advertises it on the world wide web. It's been my experiences that the people who have all the "war stories" and then act like everyone else isn't shit or hasn't done shit...are the one's who are truly full of shit. I'm guessing your facebook page is full of photos of you on the FOB, hugging Haji...probably a couple of really "badass" photos of you up in the turret. Just knock that shit off and stop allowing the world to profile your dumbass. Way to make assumptions and generalizations about Ngata. Just wow. Some more advice to you: don't come into a community and start attacking people. Think about what they are saying. This is not your typical internet football forum. Most of the people on here, even if their positions are ones I completely disagree with, are able to articulate it clearly, and back it up with logic. Republicans, (and Democrats), like you who act like their opinion is clearly and obviously the best one and its a black and white issue, easy choice, are everything that is wrong with modern America, as Zack said. This isn't about slaughtering Libya, it's about holding down the damn fort and clearing the streets; take back control. Do you doubt that our Government aims for control over the Middle East? If you do, then I'm sorry you're so naive. You serious right now? Have you looked at nothing you yourself have been saying? How are you all over Obama for getting out of the Middle East, then on the government for "aiming for control" over the Middle East? How is this possible? You want us to take back control... and then say do you doubt our government aims for control? No, no we don't. We're smart enough to realize a long-term US presence in the region would be disastrous. We are pulling out. We are NOT the world police. Gotta love men in uniform who argue against going to war. What'd you enlist for the college money? All that shit about getting shot or having to tell a buddies wife that her husband is dead, (which is untrue b/c the Army doesn't permit information like that to be put out in any other manner than officially), all shit that is know when you take the oath....so stop trying to act like it's such a travesty for Soldiers to have to leave Garrison and do what they are trained to do. Gotta love little shits like you who use this line of argument. Oh no wait, I hate them. First off, way to completely misread what Ngata said. He was saying if you hadn't had to tell a friend's wife their husband is dead, then don't be so hasty to say Lets go to war! He wasn't necessarily saying that he had personally done so. Secondly, I don't know who is informing you about Army regulations, but I have many military friends that have been to Iraq. I've had three that have been killed in the Middle East that I knew personally. The ones that came back shared their stories with me, which included telling people that their loved ones had been killed. Me and one of these friends that came back went over to another friend of ours, not to tell her the news, as she already knew, but he wanted to tell her exactly what had happened, because the soldier in question had saved many people's lives by his death. I didn't even see what happened, I didn't know the man who had died at all, he was my buddy's friend. But seeing my friend unable to say anything at all for the first ten minutes, obviously terribly shaken up about it... people like you that cry and scream for us to go to war and for soldiers to "do what they are trained to do" make me sick. A final point. Soldiers are trained for the purpose of protecting the United States of America. Ask yourself if we would make the world a more or less dangerous place by starting *another* war in the Middle East, in a country that as Ngata pointed out, loves us. I hope you never get anywhere near elected office, because man. That would be a true disaster. Edited September 15, 2012 by Thanatos19 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tridentdawgpound 1,043 Posted September 15, 2012 I know it's evil, but...that video in the OP was fucking hilarious. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WindyCitySports 407 Posted September 16, 2012 Gotta love men in uniform who argue against going to war. What'd you enlist for the college money? All that shit about getting shot or having to tell a buddies wife that her husband is dead, (which is untrue b/c the Army doesn't permit information like that to be put out in any other manner than officially), all shit that is know when you take the oath....so stop trying to act like it's such a travesty for Soldiers to have to leave Garrison and do what they are trained to do. When the fuck are you enlisting? Let me guess, you are one of those people always saying that you support the troops, right? How can you even say that when you go around spewing this bullshit. And by the way, I am not a liberal. I am a libertarian, so stop making assumptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted September 16, 2012 Did Steelrain create a new account ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted September 16, 2012 I don't know what happened in this topic but this war eagle fellow seems to be contradicting himself with each post... In any case, this is just radicals being insane fanatics. It does not require a first world country to act like insane fanatics and use that as an excuse to burn a country down. FFS, that's like bringing a nuclear weapon to a bar brawl, overcompensation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted September 18, 2012 So apparently the attacks were planned and had nothing to do with the movie. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/17/obama-administration-libyan-president-clash-over-explanation-on-consulate/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milla4Prez63 678 Posted September 18, 2012 War Eagle714 is the "liberals are stupid and Republicans are never wrong" demographic personified. In other words, a large part of what's wrong with American politics. To be fair, it works the other way around too. Democrats and Republicans alike are both morons with their personal and political party interests in mind before the interests of our country. George Washington warned against the negatives of the two party system and he may sadly be right. But alas, this shouldn't be a thread about Republicans and Democrats. It is about the loss of lives overseas so I'll try and leave this at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted September 18, 2012 So apparently the attacks were planned and had nothing to do with the movie. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/17/obama-administration-libyan-president-clash-over-explanation-on-consulate/ I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need more than an anonymous source from Faux News before this is considered "confirmed" to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted September 19, 2012 I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need more than an anonymous source from Faux News before this is considered "confirmed" to me. This was my initial thought as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted September 24, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites