Richard Sherman

[Omerta+ 1,206]

And Cromartie....is what ?

 

Also Lets not act like Kam Chancellor is a over the top cover guy.

[NY Diehard 26]

And Cromartie....is what ?

 

Also Lets not act like Kam Chancellor is a over the top cover guy.

 

He was a pretty good CB on the other side who played significantly better this past year when he had to step up to fill in for Revis than he did his other two seasons as a Jet.

 

Now, he's probably a top 10 CB, before that, I don't know if he was in the 20

[Attyla the Hawk 197]

Richard Sherman also has a much better secondary around him helping him out. Two very good safeties giving him help over the top and another good CB across from him. The defense as a whole was arguably more talented than the Jets defense in 2011 as well.

 

And like you brought up, Sherman isn't constantly covering the other team's #1 guy like Revis does, helping the advanced stats in his favor. I'm not saying he wouldn't be just as effective if he had to do that, but we haven't seen him do it yet and it's yet to be proven that he can.

 

Sherman also had half of his picks this year off guys who don't even belong in the NFL in the QBs of the Cardinals and Jets, making the 8 INTs a little less impressive.

 

Unimpressive. You mean like this?

 

[Thanatos 2,847]

Yeah, exactly like that. The guy throwing to him doesn't belong in the NFL. I don't agree with Diehard's stance, but that INT is pretty much exhibit A for what he is talking about.

[Attyla the Hawk 197]

Fair enough. Although the ball skills on that pick are pretty impressive even if it was an attempt to throw it out of bounds.

 

I'm going to miss John Skelton.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Fair enough. Although the ball skills on that pick are pretty impressive even if it was an attempt to throw it out of bounds.

 

I'm going to miss John Skelton.

 

Oh for sure. I definitely agree that he is a ballhawk and one hell of a cover guy.

[Dutch 874]

Sherman has only 26 starts in his career. And really it wasn't until last year where he was 'the guy' where his exploits started to register outside of the PNW.

 

I'd say Sherman is the better corner right now. But I would concede that it will take time to develop that local truth into a national one. He is where Revis was after his rookie year in 2007. National stature requires consistency. Revis had to establish those credentials too and did just that. But he was the best before he was considered the best too.

 

Sherman, if he's not the best -- he's unquestionably right behind Revis. They are 1a and 1b. And if each were to produce their average production over the next 16 games, there will be a new standard of shutdown corner. I do believe that Revis is still the standard bearer. But it's predicated on Revis' legacy production. Not his actual/present production. That kind of recognition takes a full year to effect. Sherman doesn't have the requisite legacy production to put this debate to bed. But he will after 2013.

 

If you're into advanced stats/metrics, then you'll know that Sherman has been the best corner in football in terms of advanced stats once he started games in 2011. And he's been so far ahead of anyone else in those terms that it's pretty unmistakeable. Obviously, those are stats and stats aren't the only thing that matters. From a production standpoint (either empirically or per targeted attempt), Sherman is an outlier at the professional level.

 

It's also very misleading to pigeonhole Sherman as a press man guy. He's better at zone than press man. He just happens to be exceptional at that too. But he worked at it to become so. Seattle plays press man because they have size and length and the talent to do it. Sherman can and does play both.

 

Additionally, Sherman is hamstrung by the fact that Seattle doesn't often switch their CBs to play matchups. Sherman, unlike Revis, isn't intentionally matched up against the other teams' best receiver. That's not how Carroll runs his defense. And having Browner on the other side allows him the ability to not have to do that.

 

Sherman is without a doubt, the smartest defender on the field at any given time. He has an advanced understanding of the defense as a whole in addition to just his own responsibilities. And really, that gets incredibly understated. Obviously it's his mouth that gets the publicity. He is remarkable in his ability to master the little things (and schematic things) to be able to predict when he can cheat and when he can't. He's a player who is incredibly dedicated to perfecting the details of his craft. Even at his young age, he is incredibly savvy.

 

He's going to be a really difficult resign. I expect we'll be drafting his potential successor every year until he leaves or miraculously reups. We don't expect a hometown discount of any kind here.

 

Awesome first post and welcome to the boards! You made a pretty decent stance for Richard Sherman. You seem you to be suggesting that Revis has regressed and that his past production exceeds him. The only season where I believe that holds true is his 2009 season. His 2009 season was nothing short of phenomenal. Outside of that though, I think Revis has been consistently elite, playing at a very high level embracing the most difficult duty that a CB can be given; matching up and covering the opposing teams #1 WR for the entire season.

 

Now you speaking on Richard Sherman's resume not being able to put Revis's to bed yet, I think you're right in that regard. Not so much based off of Revis reputation exceeding his current play though because he's still playing at an elite level. Richard Sherman has put together two great seasons. One good year and one elite year rivaling Darrelle Revis's 2009 year. Darrelle Revis has strung together about 4-5 elite seasons. To have a closer comparison to the more recent events, Darrelle Revis's 2010 & 2011 still outweighs Richard Shermans one good year in 2011 and one elite year in 2012. The only area that Sherman surpasses Revis in is interceptions. While that's a key stat for cornerbacks, we all know that getting interceptions doesn't always make you the better cornerback. About half of them weren't coverage interceptions; just bad passes from non starting caliber QBs. Granted he should be credited for taking advantage of the opportunity and making a play. Stats don't always tell the entire story but impact is something different altogether.

 

Revis is undoubtedly the most impactful cornerback in football. He completely takes the #1 receiver out the game. Because of his impact/effectiveness, this allows much flexibility/versatility in his teams defensive scheme. He completely changes the game while having the toughest assignment. Sherman isn't used in that manner though but that's not a knock against him. Sherman doesn't have to move around the field following the #1 receiver because he has a more solid defense around him. I don't scrutinize players because their coaches utilize them in a particular manner. All that matters is production and you cannot argue against Sherman's production but even harder to argue against Revis's production and impact imo.

 

In essence, Revis has more impact on the football field than Richard Sherman does. Even though they are utilized differently, there is no downplaying or ignoring the fact of Revis's impact takes the #1 receiver out of the game which results in offenses changing their scheme; working around Revis. That's insane impact. I think Ray Lewis said it the best, "Success is one thing, impact is another. That's not a knock on Sherman but more of a plus for Revis. Secondly like I previously stated, Sherman has only 1 elite year under his belt. He would have to put together another elite season and out play Revis to even be considered. It would take a full year of recognition like you said. This league values consistency afterall and that's something Revis has demonstrated throughout his career. However, who knows who will be the better cornerback by the end of this year. But for now, Revis is the best imo. "

Edited May 22, 2013 by dutchff7

[Crash 105]

Revis and this is really not a question.

 

I see too many people not giving Revis enough credit and throwing so many other names out there when talking about him. This reminds me of a conversation that was going on a little awhile ago about him and Nnamdi and you had SO many people tell me that he is every bit as good as Revis...how did that work out?

 

Anyone can look at the stats, and everyone knows about the island but the reason Revis is the best and it's not close is because he excels at every technique that he plays. You get guys like Nnamdi who was only an off-man guy, and Sherman is a press-man guy. Revis can play off or press man and zone and be the best at it. He tackles, plays both sides of the field and lines up against the best threat whether a TE or a receiver. And for a guy who is a big name he still gets his hands on the football and has great return ability.

Nnmadi is not a off-man cb. Revis is the best but if Sherman continues to improve he will be better overall

[Dutch 874]

Nnmadi is not a off-man cb. Revis is the best but if Sherman continues to improve he will be better overall

 

Nnamdi is overrated period.

[butta54 371]

Nnmadi is not a off-man cb. Revis is the best but if Sherman continues to improve he will be better overall

 

Nnamdi did play up on the line a lot of the time in Oakland and Philly, but he played some off-man too. Not far off, but still off and either way he was playing man coverage.

[KempBolt 498]

I'd weigh in on Sherman, but the kid annoys me so much that it wouldn't be anything other than heavily biased. That's a pretty rare combination of talent and insecurity he's got there.

[BC 331]

Sherman is better at life. Than you.

[KempBolt 498]

Sherman is better at life. Than you.

 

And if he really believed that about himself, he wouldn't feel compelled to say it to anyone.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

Just feel like dispelling something I read here. Not even sure who wrote it because it was a quick scroll down.. Sherman has two elite seasons. Only one is being recognized, but 2 years ago, Sherman's coverage metrics were sexy.

[UndecidedFrog 12]

Revis coming back from injury is somewhat of an unknown quantity.

 

Sherman vs. what Revis was pre-injury, I would say Revis.

Sherman vs. Revis now....don't know.

[OakBlack 28]

Revis is too good to be compared with Sherman. Sherman is just a smack talking punk that's all. Dont get me wrong Sherman had a hell of a season last year, but he's not the best after 1 year. Not even close.

[True Blue 16]

Revis is too good to be compared with Sherman. Sherman is just a smack talking punk that's all. Dont get me wrong Sherman had a hell of a season last year, but he's not the best after 1 year. Not even close.

 

You forgot the

[True Blue 16]

I'd weigh in on Sherman, but the kid annoys me so much that it wouldn't be anything other than heavily biased. That's a pretty rare combination of talent and insecurity he's got there.

 

You might see it that way, but he's not insecure in the least. He's confident and arrogant with a chip on his shoulder. But he has the skill and intelligence to back it up.

[KempBolt 498]

You might see it that way, but he's not insecure in the least. He's confident and arrogant with a chip on his shoulder. But he has the skill and intelligence to back it up.

 

In my experience, people who are truly confident don't make public comments the way that he does. To me, that's fake confidence that someone is using to mask insecurity. Again, that's just based on my life experience. And to be fair, I think Roddy White is arguably worse that way.

 

Don't get me wrong- he's the best corner in football right now. But I just wish he'd close his mouth and act like it.

[Attyla the Hawk 197]

Don't get me wrong- he's the best corner in football right now. But I just wish he'd close his mouth and act like it.

 

Honestly, I think it's a device he needs to jack himself up to perform at peak level. I'm pretty sure he has fun with it too. But I see it mainly as a way to intensify the pressure and the focus.

 

Seattle is chock full of people and fans who would rather live in a hushed/mealymouth existence. Having a brash, braggardly sports icon is very un-Seattle like. I, for one, think he's desperately needed for this city.

 

I also think his attitude is good for the team. Sherman isn't afraid of success or pressure. That is a valuable asset for a team looking to contend to have. Sherman is an intense student of the game and works tirelessly to perfect his craft. If adding the limelight intentionally on himself raises the stakes in his mind to help him accelerate that process -- then talk away.

 

If talking makes other fans/players hate you and makes the games that much more intense and enjoyable -- I'm for that too. If it weren't for the Roddy/Sherman offseason hatefest, who would care about the game between South Alaska and the lifeless corncob Falcons. That matchup would be like eating poached cod v. plain yogurt. Now it has spice.

 

I want the roller coaster.

[KempBolt 498]

Honestly, I think it's a device he needs to jack himself up to perform at peak level. I'm pretty sure he has fun with it too. But I see it mainly as a way to intensify the pressure and the focus.

 

Seattle is chock full of people and fans who would rather live in a hushed/mealymouth existence. Having a brash, braggardly sports icon is very un-Seattle like. I, for one, think he's desperately needed for this city.

 

I also think his attitude is good for the team. Sherman isn't afraid of success or pressure. That is a valuable asset for a team looking to contend to have. Sherman is an intense student of the game and works tirelessly to perfect his craft. If adding the limelight intentionally on himself raises the stakes in his mind to help him accelerate that process -- then talk away.

 

If talking makes other fans/players hate you and makes the games that much more intense and enjoyable -- I'm for that too. If it weren't for the Roddy/Sherman offseason hatefest, who would care about the game between South Alaska and the lifeless corncob Falcons. That matchup would be like eating poached cod v. plain yogurt. Now it has spice.

 

I want the roller coaster.

 

It's a personal preference. I don't respect that sort of demeanor in anyone.

[Dutch 874]

I don't mind Sherman's talking. He's backing it up on the field. He'll shut up once he starts getting beat a lot because he will have no reason to talk.

[BleedingBlue&Silver 0]

I don't know how many of you have a twitter or if this topic has been brought up already, but did you guys see Richard Sherman and Darelle Revis going at it on Twitter a while back?

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8968269/darrelle-revis-new-york-jets-richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-exchange-barbs-twitter

 

Here is a link containing all the back and forth tweets from both Sherman and Revis:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1537402-seahawks-richard-sherman-slays-darrelle-revis-in-fascinating-twitter-feud

 

 

After this Twitter confrontation, Sherman went on ESPN's First Take and here's what he had to say..

 

 

So that leads me to ask.. who do you think is better? Or is it even a question at all? And what do you guys think of Sherman's interview?

A lot of people hate Sherman because of his mouth, but I find it funny. He is a great player and has some serious confidence. He was the best CB last year. Revis didnt play. This upcoming season will be the tale of who is better. Can Revis return to form after injury? Is his old form better than the young Sherman?

[KempBolt 498]

A lot of people hate Sherman because of his mouth, but I find it funny. He is a great player and has some serious confidence. He was the best CB last year. Revis didnt play. This upcoming season will be the tale of who is better. Can Revis return to form after injury? Is his old form better than the young Sherman?

 

Maybe I'm old school, but when someone feels the need to tell everyone how good they are I don't think they have serious confidence- I think they have serious insecurity.

[Dutch 874]

The female version of Richard Sherman

 

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