Who is in the MVP Discussion?

[BC 331]

Nominate away, and discuss.

 

Russell Wilson

Peyton Manning

Calvin Johnson

Luke Kuechly

Edited December 3, 2013 by BC

[RazorStar 4,025]

Aaron Rodgers

Russell Wilson

 

That's the short list.

[Thanatos 2,847]

There is no discussion.

 

It's Peyton. End of story.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Well if you're Peter King sure.

[oochymp 2,393]

Aaron Rodgers

Russell Wilson

 

That's the short list.

is Rodgers really on the short list when he's been hurt for half the season?

[BC 331]

There is no discussion.

 

It's Peyton. End of story.

 

If you base your decision on purely statistics, then sure. But if we're talking about a player who is "most valuable," which also takes into consideration how difficult a player is to game plan against, how a player makes everyone else around him that much better, how a player puts an entire team on his back, then you can argue a number of other players are definitely worthy of being in the discussion.

[Thanatos 2,847]

 

There is no discussion.

 

It's Peyton. End of story.

 

If you base your decision on purely statistics, then sure. But if we're talking about a player who is "most valuable," which also takes into consideration how difficult a player is to game plan against, how a player makes everyone else around him that much better, how a player puts an entire team on his back, then you can argue a number of other players are definitely worthy of being in the discussion.

 

And this is clearly not what the MVP award is.

 

I wish it was, but its not. That's been made very clear from the previous awards for the past several years.

 

The MVP award this year is going to Peyton Manning. You guys are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

 

Now if we want to talk about who TGP thinks is the actual MVP, then we could have a discussion.

[BC 331]

The 3rd time Peyton Manning won the award (2008) he wasn't anywhere near the best statistical player.

 

2008 QBs:

 

1. Drew Brees | 5,069 yards | 34 TDs

2. Kurt Warner | 4,583 yards | 30 TDs

3. Phillip Rivers | 4,009 yards | 34 TDs

4. Aaron Rodgers | 4,038 yards | 28 TDs

5. Peyton Manning | 4,002 yards | 27 TDs

 

Adrian Peterson had 1885 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns as well, not saying this eclipses Peyton's value, but it certainly added him into the conversation that year.

 

The Colts finished 12-4 that year, good enough for 2nd place in their division and a wild card round loss to the San Deigo Chargers that year.

 

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

 

[Thanatos 2,847]

That's because the NFL has a love affair with Peyton Manning. That just hurts your argument. Now that he is having the best statistical season, they're giving him the MVP. No doubt at all.

[Cherry 1,302]

Peyton is the MVP no question. Its not even close.

[Glanvilles Grits 142]

It will be Peyton Manning, no doubt. It's a stat driven award, it's not actually the player who is most valuable to his team a lot of times. However, you also have to ask yourself, wouldn't Peyton still be deserving if that were the case?

 

 

The only other guys I put close to Manning in this discussion are Russell Wilson and Tom Brady this year. Yeah, the Patriots haven't looked spectacular on offense, but I'm pretty positive Brady is the only reason that they've won majority of the games they have.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Regardless of who is actually the MVP, Peyton Manning WILL win.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Aaron Rodgers being absent makes his value that much more prominent. Especially when he carries the Packers to a NFC North title.

[Thanatos 2,847]

But again, despite its name, MVP isn't actually given to their team's Most Valuable Player.

 

Besides, Razor, sorry on this, but your notorious anti-Peyton bias kinda makes you a bit unreliable on this one. How anyone can not even include Peyton in the discussion for MVP is kinda mind-boggling.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Thanatos19

[RazorStar 4,025]

Since they do the voting before the playoffs I see your point, but no one in their right mind would vote for him. Tommy Brady might just win it.

[BradyFan81 404]

Peyton Manning will win it. That Chiefs game clinched it. Unless they go like 2-2 over their last 4 games and the Seahawks finish 15-1, then Russell Wilson might win it. Denver will probably go 4-0 though and lock up the 1st seed and the MVP for Peyton.

Edited December 4, 2013 by BradyFan81

[oochymp 2,393]

Aaron Rodgers being absent makes his value that much more prominent. Especially when he carries the Packers to a NFC North title.

by that theory Manning should have won MVP the year he was hurt, though if Rodgers comes back and somehow leads the Packers to an NFC North title then it'd be pretty tough not to give it to him, but that's a pretty tall order

[BJORN 679]

Nominate away, and discuss.

 

Russell Wilson

Peyton Manning

Calvin Johnson

Luke Kuechly

I think Peyton deserves it the most but it would be awesome to see Wilson win it.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

The guy who leads one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the league will and should win it. Behind him is Brees, WIlson, Rivers.

 

The Lions are going to end all this Foles noise for good. I hope. haha.

[Socal 524]

 

The 3rd time Peyton Manning won the award (2008) he wasn't anywhere near the best statistical player.

 

2008 QBs:

 

1. Drew Brees | 5,069 yards | 34 TDs

2. Kurt Warner | 4,583 yards | 30 TDs

3. Phillip Rivers | 4,009 yards | 34 TDs

4. Aaron Rodgers | 4,038 yards | 28 TDs

5. Peyton Manning | 4,002 yards | 27 TDs

 

Adrian Peterson had 1885 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns as well, not saying this eclipses Peyton's value, but it certainly added him into the conversation that year.

 

The Colts finished 12-4 that year, good enough for 2nd place in their division and a wild card round loss to the San Deigo Chargers that year.

 

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

 

 

 

This was the year that Philip Rivers should have won it.

[Thanatos 2,847]

No, that year it should have been Drew Brees. He had something like 71% completion. Absolutely ridic.

[seanbrock 1,684]

How about a little love for Calvin Johnson. The Game he missed against the Pack this year the Lions were held to 9 points...anyone who's seen the Packers defense this year will tell you that it's actually difficult NOT to score 20+ on them. He had 329 yards in one game this year.I don't even know where the Lions would be without Megatron. The Broncos would still have a shot at making the playoffs with that schedule. Hell, Tebow lead them to the playoffs not long ago and they even won a game.

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

Peyton will get it, but it would've been interesting to see if Rodgers didn't get hurt and the Packers made the playoffs.

[BJORN 679]

I'm not saying he should win it but Big Ben definitely needs to be in the discussion as individually he is having a great year despite team failures.

[AL_Royalty 489]

Since they do the voting before the playoffs I see your point, but no one in their right mind would vote for him. Tommy Brady might just win it.

 

 

Aaron Rodgers being absent makes his value that much more prominent. Especially when he carries the Packers to a NFC North title.

Operation the MVP Discussion: Accomplished. Nicely done, Razor.

 

 

There is no discussion.

 

It's Peyton. End of story.

 

If you base your decision on purely statistics, then sure. But if we're talking about a player who is "most valuable," which also takes into consideration how difficult a player is to game plan against, how a player makes everyone else around him that much better, how a player puts an entire team on his back, then you can argue a number of other players are definitely worthy of being in the discussion.

 

You're ridiculous man, but ok. Let's go over your criteria as it pertains to Manning, shall we?

 

1. How difficult a player is to gameplan against: Peyton is on pace to break two of the biggest passing records one can break. He's quite possibly having the best season a QB has ever had, so it doesn't seem like many "gameplans" are working.

 

2. How a player makes everyone else around him that much better: To that I would say look at the numbers that Decker, Thomas, and Thomas were putting up pre-Manning, and then compare them to what they've put up the past two seasons. Oh, and Welker-who played out his prime with the golden boy, Tom Brady—has the most TD's he's ever had despite missing significant time and being shut down for the rest of the season. Knowshon has Peyton Manning boxers.

 

3. How a player puts an entire team on his back: QB of the most prolific offense in NFL history.

 

That's three for three by your crazy BC-original standards. Stop. Please. For your own sake.

 

 

 

Peyton will get it, but it would've been interesting to see if Rodgers didn't get hurt and the Packers made the playoffs.

If the Packers win their last two games—against the disappointing Steelers and Cutler-led Bears—they win the division without Rodgers. He's great, to be sure, but with Manning's year no other QB was/is winning this award.

 

I'm not saying he should win it but Big Ben definitely needs to be in the discussion as individually he is having a great year despite team failures.

No. He can't be the MOST valuable player in the league with a record like that. He's having quite a year, but I'm willing to bet there are a few other QBs that could finish with a sub-.500 record playing for the Steelers.

 

To everyone saying that Peyton will win it because that's just how it is, even if he doesn't deserve it, I ask you who deserves it more this season? I'd argue that there are a couple of players who deserve it possibly as much, such as Jamaal Charles, Megatron, Possibly LeSean McCoy, and Peyton Manning's maid (cleanliness is next to godliness is next to amazing passing stats), but no one deserves it MORE than Manning. With his gaudy record eclipsing numbers, and judging from the fact that WRs just don't win the award, it's Manning. I'd love to see Charles win the award, and I do believe that without him the Chiefs aren't in the position that they're in right now, but It's Peyton's award. I'll settle for OPOY.