Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 28, 2015 Hillary Clinton has yet to formally launch her bid for the White House, but with the email scandal setting her down a rocky road, Democrats may start to reconsider support for the former secretary of state. Yes, Clinton remains the favorite to win the Democratic nomination next year, and she has a better-than-even chance at the White House. Still, Democrats may want other options. Sure, Vice President Biden is toying with the idea of running for a third time, but few believe Biden has a legitimate shot at the White House. The one Democrat whose name is starting to appear in recent stories is that of former Vice President Al Gore Friends of his say there is no chance he runs, so take it with a grain of salt... But the fact his name is even coming up should spell disaster for Democrats in the presidential election. I knew Hilary Clinton wouldn't have a chance at winning, but didn't think she would lose steam so incredibly quickly. Turns out Clinton is a complete dumpster fire and unelectable to the 10th degree. What say you? Would Al Gore's name on a ticket excite you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vin+ 3,121 Posted March 28, 2015 Bush v. Gore: Round 2. Can't wait. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteVo+ 3,702 Posted March 28, 2015 Bush v. Gore: Round 2. Can't wait. I'm in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted March 28, 2015 I'd vote for Gore. He seems to be less shitty than any of the candidates on either side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted March 28, 2015 ...I thought everybody loved Hillary Clinton as the next president? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 28, 2015 Her favorability is the lowest it's been in the last 7 years -- since she dropped out of the presidential race. Read something in the National Journal a couple days ago that is so true... People only like her (or like her most) when she isn't actually a candidate. She is far too polarizing to actually ever win a national election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted March 28, 2015 I mean, I wouldn't know as politics is not something I pay attention to... But everywhere I look it seems like Hillary is getting all the love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vin+ 3,121 Posted March 28, 2015 Hillary can't even play by the rules as it stands now. Hate to see what she'd be like as President. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theMileHighGuy 656 Posted March 28, 2015 It doesn't matter who wins figurehead of the United States 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 28, 2015 It doesn't matter who wins figurehead of the United States It matters to the puppeteers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted March 28, 2015 The President will only be relevant when all the elephants are hunted for their ivory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted March 29, 2015 If I remember correctly, in all the early polling I've read Hillary beats every potential GOP nominee she's been polled against (Romney, Bush, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, Christie, and Walker). I'm not saying she wins the election (or even the nomination for that matter), but the idea that she's too polarizing or unelectable seems awfully silly and premature right now. And this is coming from someone who actually has soured on her as the Democratic candidate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Polls are meaningless as far as elections go- that goes double when its this far out. In the recent elections for congress all the polls showed a very close race and it ended up being a huge win for the Republicans, including many races being decided by double digits when "the polls" showed a very close race between those two candidates. Edited March 29, 2015 by Thanatos19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted March 29, 2015 Polls are meaningless as far as elections go- that goes double when its this far out. In the recent elections for congress all the polls showed a very close race and it ended up being a huge win for the Republicans, including many races being decided by double digits when "the polls" showed a very close race between those two candidates. Exactly. I think in the '08 elections around this time not many knew who Obama was outside of his 2004 DNC speech. Lots can change in 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 29, 2015 If I remember correctly, in all the early polling I've read Hillary beats every potential GOP nominee she's been polled against (Romney, Bush, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, Christie, and Walker). I'm not saying she wins the election (or even the nomination for that matter), but the idea that she's too polarizing or unelectable seems awfully silly and premature right now. And this is coming from someone who actually has soured on her as the Democratic candidate. Do you really think she could weather all of the shit that would be thrown her way? All the lying, all of the deceit... The entitled and smug attitude? I realize you say you have soured on her as the candidate... But do you really believe she could win the election? I mean... REALLY REALLY. Forget the polls... What does your heart and your head tell you about her chances? I just... can't see it. I would drop money on the GOP field right now, easily. I think Hilary's best bet would be to get paired up with Jeb Bush... But, let's get real. If that is how it goes down we are in for a world of hurt anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted March 29, 2015 There isn't a candidate on the ballot who wouldn't face questions about lying and deceit so I think that's sort of a moot point. It's the nature of politicians. To answer your question, the GOP mostly successfully painted Obama as a Muslim, anti-American, "not one of us" socialist candidate who would destroy America as we know it yet he's won two terms. Nothing is outside the realm of possibility anymore, including a Hillary presidency. On the plus side for her, I think America is clamoring for a female POTUS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 29, 2015 There isn't a candidate on the ballot who wouldn't face questions about lying and deceit so I think that's sort of a moot point. It's the nature of politicians. To answer your question, the GOP mostly successfully painted Obama as a Muslim, anti-American, "not one of us" socialist candidate who would destroy America as we know it yet he's won two terms. Nothing is outside the realm of possibility anymore, including a Hillary presidency. On the plus side for her, I think America is clamoring for a female POTUS. There is no candidate in the country who will face the sheer force of questioning regarding lying and deceit as Hilary will on a variety of topics. None. Yes, you are right, they all have done something that would warrant criticism... However, Hilary's skeletons are a heck of a lot more in the open than anyone else. And will continue do be. I would also disagree with you about your next point. I don't think the Republicans succeeded in that line of thought. Did they try? Absolutely... But if they were successful, he wouldn't have been elected. His poise, general restraint, and stature kept him far above that filth. I also am not so sure America is clamoring for a female President... I think a majority of people can't yet handle the idea of having a woman for President. Not saying that is right or wrong, just the way it is. Hilary was named President in 08 before the election began, and in your own words... Not many people knew who Barack Obama was... Yet he took her out pretty cleanly. A relative unknown handling a national powerhouse that is the Clinton name? No.. I say America isn't ready for that reality. Or maybe we just aren't ready for that particular woman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theMileHighGuy 656 Posted March 29, 2015 Calling Hillary Clinton "entitled and smug", on top of an Oscar-worthy assembly of phrases boiling her character down to a super villain, then in the same breath whole-heartedly backing the entirety of the GOP field of potential nominees... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Hillary said that she and Bill Clinton were broke when they had over a hundred thousand dollars of income. Then when confronted on it, her chief of staff said that they were broke "relative to their former income" and that the average American really couldn't understand that. To say Hillary Clinton is a smug asshole is merely stating the truth of the matter. Edited March 30, 2015 by Thanatos19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CampinWithaMissingPerson 2,025 Posted March 30, 2015 Hillary is bat shit insane. Like if she were elected I feel like we'd be in even more wars than we already have combined 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted March 30, 2015 Calling Hillary Clinton "entitled and smug", on top of an Oscar-worthy assembly of phrases boiling her character down to a super villain, then in the same breath whole-heartedly backing the entirety of the GOP field of potential nominees... Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong , but just based off your response I think you may have misread my previous post or maybe I didn't explain it well enough. Me saying I would take the GOP field against Hilary was a direct statement of me putting money on the outcome of an election. It was no admission of support on my part, let's be clear. Haha. And as I also said... Every single candidate has their demons. Every single one of them comes with baggage and skeletons -- there is no getting around that. It's really a matter of choosing which of that baggage we can deal with and which we can't. I don't think it was far-reaching for me to say that of all the candidates, Hilary by far as the most public of demons and baggage -- which usually doesn't bode incredibly well. One way candidates can overcome those demons in the eye of the public is to carry yourself really well, with poise and deafening message that breaks through any of the negativity. As Phail was mentioning, many GOPers and other opponents painted Obama as some sort of foreign terrorist who would destroy us from within... Yet, he overcame that. I don't think Hilary can weather that storm or anything similar. She doesn't have that same aura, confidence, or poise to pierce through the darkness. She doesn't inspire people or motivate them to act or to go vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theMileHighGuy 656 Posted March 30, 2015 Oh no no no, I never meant to imply that she wasn't those things. But you can't look at GOP potentials like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Lindsey Graham, and not say the exact same things. Hillary lied about a bunch of stuff, but does that make her less redeemable than people who vehemently fear-monger and who have openly threw shade on the gay community? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites