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So this year I'm going a little bit crazy with my draft studying and scouting. I may as well share it with you guys. My goal is to watch and grade every game of film that I can on all prospects for the upcoming NFL draft. Luckily I have almost 7 months or so of preparation time so I can get as much watched as possible. Let's begin shall we?

 

 

Anu Solomon

QB

Arizona

 

Games watched: 2015 v. UCLA

 

While Solomon is a very good fit for the scheme that Arizona runs, he has almost no qualities that can translate to the NFL level. He has very slim frame that prevents him from taking hits in the pocket without being in danger of injury. He is not athletic enough to translate to any other positions at the NFL level.

 

He plays in an offense that has no progressions, for the most part. Once he is locked onto a player he refuses to look anywhere else and often times just blindly runs if his first option is not available. I'll refer to it as "One Read & Run".

 

He has very poor decision making skills. He doesn't know when to give up on plays and often tries to force the ball into tight places where he simply does not have the power to do so. Along with this he cannot throw the ball with zip or into traffic without being at a severe risk of being intercepted.

 

NFL Projection: UDFA

 

Grade: F

 

Final outlook: Solomon is a good college quarterback, but he is a system QB who does not have the necessary talent to move to the NFL level. He may generate minor interest switching to another position but he won't make any 53-man rosters.

 

 

 

 

Vad Lee

QB

James Madison

 

Games watched: 2015 vs. SMU

 

Lee is an awful passer, to put it lightly. The guy can't hit the side of a barn. He is an outstanding runner, however. He's bulky, and can push through tacklers with ease. He has the size to stand in the pocket and take hits, even though he isn't the tallest of guys. He's very compact for his size, and has very good control of his body when on the run.

 

The system he played in was one read and run, which kept him from ever learning how to go through progressions and develop an ability to throw the ball despite coverage. Along with being a poor passer, he has a tendency to wing it off of his back foot and loft the ball up to anyone willing to catch it. He has the arm strength to do it sometimes, but doesn't know when to avoid making those throws.

 

He's an incredibly quick downhill runner who can lower his shoulder or blow past guys. He turns into a sprinter when he has space.

 

He has a pretty bad issue with what I call "Wide-wing passing" which is essentially the act of doing too much during the motions of throwing. If you put unnecessary time or movement on the draw backwards or the movement forwards, I'll refer to it as wide-winging. He does show a good spiral on passes though, even if he cannot place the ball on target. He also opens his body up too wide on passes and it causes his arm to pull too much or too little when trying to place the ball.

 

Absolutely terrible throwing mechanics. He could be so much better if he fixed them. He has the physical talent. He's incredibly cool under pressure as well.

 

QB Grade: F

 

NFL projection: PUDFA at RB. He could make a 53-man roster as a third or fourth RB option or trick-play specialist. Could be especially good in a wildcat set.

 

Final outlook: He's a brutish runner who can lower his shoulder on defenders or blow past them. He's far from a good passer, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't attend a training camp as a 4th string QB with potential to change to RB. His running ability is incredibly rare for someone who doesn't play the position.

 

More to come in the next few days as I continue to grade QBs. I have 8 more breakdowns ready to go so if you like these give me a heads up and I'll keep churning them out.

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Man, don't get too crazy a lot of these guys won't even make it in the league. :lol: But yeah I always enjoy some player evals :yep:

It'll be much more important for skill position players. With QBs it's mostly to just follow through on my analysis procedures. A guy like Vad Lee is a complete unknown but could make the league as a RB. I'll post a few more tonight.

 

Also doing it because I know there is absolutely no chance you guys will evaluate guys like Vad Lee so I'll bring Vad Lee to you.

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Joel Stave

Wisconsin

QB

 

Games watched: 2015 v. Alabama

 

Stave has a very weak arm, but he has the eyes of an NFL QB. He's nothing overly impressive and his lack of an NFL arm will prevent him from ever being a franchise guy. With that said he has the potential to be a great backup quarterback. He also has a floor of a practice squad/third string guy who can spot-start in dire situations. He has NFL size and would do fine getting hit by bigger defenders.

 

He doesn't follow through on his passes and struggles to move the ball with zip. He's also a one-read quarterback who is contained within his system. I do believe that he can develop into an efficient progression reader though. He has the traits of a smart QB who can grow their game beyond a single college system.

 

He's incredibly accurate, and very rarely misplaces a ball. He doesn't necessarily have the arm to throw into lockdown coverage but he can keep the receiver out of danger. He is also a very good decision maker who knows when to take the loss on a play instead of committing a turnover.

 

He's not good at stepping up in the pocket to make the throw, instead preferring to peel out and find a defender on the run. He keeps his eyes downfield when on the move though, even if he plays it safe majority of the time when scrambling.

 

He has a beautiful spiral that is very catchable, but it lacks a lot of the velocity that a top-tier passer puts behind the ball. He also has an issue with throwing on the last step of the dropback instead of pushing his body forward to maximize the power behind the ball.

 

QB Grade: C

 

NFL Projection: Round 6

 

Final outlook: Stave has a very low ceiling, but he is an NFL-caliber QB who could impress a lot of people. QBs are rarely drafted in the late-rounds as a valuable third-string option with that intention. It's mainly throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Stave will almost certainly be drafted as a guy who can be that consistent second or third string QB. I'd trust him with my offense. He isn't going to win a game, but he isn't going to lose it.

 

 

 

Daxx Garman

Oklahoma St. / Maryland

QB

 

Games watched: 2014 vs. Texas Tech

 

Daxx Garman is very similar to Anu Solomon in that they are both incredibly undersized with lanky frames that can't hold up in the pocket. He's not necessarily short, but he plays like he's smaller than 6'1". He operated in a one-read offense at Oklahoma St. that did not focus at all on going through progressions. He is different from Stave in that it seems he cannot learn to turn to other options or take a loss on the play. Instead he simply slings it as hard as he can to his one predetermined option. This results in either amazing plays due to his arm, or horrible turnovers.

 

He's an incredibly inconsistent player. One drive he'll look like he's a top-tier guy and the next he'll look like a complete mess. You never know which form of Garman you'll actually get on a play-to-play basis.

 

He's incredibly bad under pressure, and folds almost immediately when people close in. If a defender is on his heels he'll panic with the worst of them, and make crucial mistakes instead of simply taking the loss and moving on to play another day.

 

He's an incredibly average runner. He's much more mobile than an average pocket passer but he's still not the type of guy to take off on a run. He has absolutely terrible footwork in the pocket and doesn't know how to step up properly. If he gets confined by the edge rush he'll have no idea where to step to or move away from.

 

He has poor decision-making skills and often times will make boneheaded mistakes in an attempt to make something happen. He has the arm to pull off some of the tight throws, but a lot of times he just goes overkill and puts the ball in a dangerous place.

 

When winding up for a big throw down the field he cranks his arm down, not back. This causes the ball to sail way too high and sometimes fall short of where it was intended. It throws off his accuracy quite a bit and makes the deep ball inconsistent. Another issue with his throwing motion is that he pivots his body too much on the pass. Instead of aligning his shoulders and following through accordingly he overcompensates and can make his accuracy a tad off.

 

He has an absolute cannon of an arm and isn't afraid to use it. I'd think a somewhat undersized guy like him would be a bit less likely to wing it down the field but he proved that thought wrong. Even with a cannon arm though, he has very little ability to lead the receiver and keep the ball safe. He hits his man but it's no guarantee where it will hit him. Sometimes he hits the chest. Sometimes the legs. Sometimes it nearly goes over his head.

 

His pocket presence is terrible. He sees ghosts. He panics. He goes the wrong way. Just everything in general about his pocket presence is wrong. He can't even step up properly and sometimes messes up his dropbacks. He has an issue with throwing off his backfoot too that can put the ball shy of where it's supposed to go. The only thing that saves him from a lot of backfoot turnovers is an incredibly powerful arm and defenders that don't turn around when the ball nearly hits them in the back of the head.

 

QB Grade: D-

 

NFL Projection: UDFA

 

Final outlook: While there is no doubt that Garman has a great arm and can make all the NFL throws, he simply lacks the other characteristics of a good quarterback. I honestly don't think a team would take him as a third-string project solely due to how bad he is outside of his arm strength. He isn't a Flacco or Stafford throwing down the field. If he were I could see him being a priority UDFA and making a practice squad. I just don't see it where he is right now.

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Taysom Hill

BYU

QB

 

Games watched: 2014 v. UConn

 

Taysom Hill is somewhat short, but bulky and able to withstand arm tackles. He has good awareness and keeps mindful of the defenders closing in around him, while keeping his eyes downfield. He plays in a one-read offense, but can easily find his #2 or #3 guys. He should transfer easily to a pro offense in terms of following through on his progressions.

 

He has good ball placement and keeps the passes away from the defenders, putting it only where his receiver can catch it. He also is careful not to lead his receivers into danger and won't throw into places that may put a guy at risk. He throw sidearm passes at times but he always knows when to do it and when not to do it.

 

He has an average pocket presence, and doesn't stand tall. He is jumpy and will often bounce around in the pocket before setting his feet and driving the ball downfield.

 

He knows when to take the loss on a play instead of putting the ball out there for a turnover. It runs well with his overall conservative style of play. He's not as weak-armed as a guy like Stave, but he's just as careful with the football.

 

He keeps his eyes downfield even when on the move, and is always looking to move the chains even when he's under pressure. He won't make stupid mistakes for the sake of making a play, but if there is an open receiver he will find him. He doesn't often go deep, so I have questions about his ability to do that.

 

He has a good spiral and velocity on every pass, and can throw a bullet when he needs to. He also has touch on the ball when he needs to, and in general is a very safe passer.

 

QB Grade: B to B-

 

NFL projection: 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

Final outlook: Taysom Hill is not a star by any means. He can't make every throw, and he can't break the game with talent. He is a very consistent and very safe QB though. He is also a competent runner and can make moves with his legs. He'll make a team as a backup and have 6-8 years as the #2.

 

 

Blake Frohnapfel

UMass

QB

Games watched: 2015 vs. Notre Dame
Frohnapfel looks and feels like an NFL QB. He has NFL size at the top of the spectrum (6'6" and over 200 pounds). He stands tall in the pocket and commands it well.
He has an issue with taking sacks, but that is really the only major issue he has other than occasionally overthrowing a receiver or misjudging a defender. He rarely makes a huge mistake, which is a key part of why I like him so much.
He played in a pro-style offense at UMass and can quickly assess a defense and move through his reads. Not only does he move through his reads but he also pivots his body with his eyes, not necessarily telegraphing guys but adjusting so that he can make a fundamentally sound throw. He's absolutely great at this.
He has very little talent around him at UMass but he makes it work. He dominates solid defenses. He keeps his team in games. He even held out for over a half against Notre Dame despite a huge difference in the talent levels. He has a good NFL-Caliber arm that allows him to make any throw on the field. Whether it's a deep out, a short cross, or anything in between, Frohnapfel can hit it accurately and easily.
His passes have a good amount of touch, but he also showcases a great spiral and zip on his passes that is tough for other QBs to replicate. He can thread the needle, so to speak, and fit passes in places that even some NFL QBs would struggle to go. He also is somewhat safe with the ball. He's not as safe as a guy like Stave or Hill but he limits turnovers and plays incredibly effectively for a guy that has very little help.
He has good mechanics and functions like a professional quarterback already. He has a follow-through that happens 90% of the time and he rarely sidearms or goes away from the great throwing motion he currently has. His height allows him to get even better angles on his throws than a smaller QB can.
QB Grade: A
NFL Projection: Top 15
Final Outlook: Frohnapfel is an NFL-ready QB from day one. He may not be drafted this high but he will become a franchise QB given the chance.
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I've got a lot of ground to make up having been without internet for three days. Due to this I'll be both scouting and reporting on six players today to keep the wiggle room of about 6-8 players. Let's get down to business.

 

Nate Sudfeld

QB

Indiana

 

Games watched: 2015 v. Southern Illinois

 

Nate Sudfeld has the athletic ability that you look for in an NFL QB. He has NFL size, and an incredibly powerful arm. What he has in NFL talent he lacks in NFL mind, though. He is incredibly untrustworthy. Any given play can become an atrocious turnover with him at QB. He simply cannot make the right decision on a consistent basis.

 

He played in a one-read offense at Indiana and because of that struggles to go through any progressions. He locks onto a single guy and his eyes are very easy to watch. This results in a lot of bad turnovers due to forced passes. He also has issues with pocket awareness. He cannot move out of the way of oncoming defenders or step through arm tackles. He's an absolute statue in the pocket.

 

He plays really boom or bust. It's either a completely botched play or it's a beautiful pass where only the receiver can get it. He has a lot of physical talent but I just don't know if his head will translate to the NFL level.

 

QB Grade: C- or D+

 

NFL Projection: 7th rounder/UDFA

 

Final outlook: Sudfeld has all the tools he needs. A powerful arm. Great size. He just needs to learn to move on when a play is broken or a player is covered. He's unreliable and doesn't look like much more than a practice squad guy right now.

 

 

Marquise Williams

QB

North Carolina

 

Games watched: 2015 v. South Carolina

 

Oh god this is gonna be rough.

 

Marquise Williams is one of the worst QBs I've ever watched from a passing standpoint. He has absolutely no pocket awareness, no ability to see the defense, and in general looks like a blind man slinging the ball around.

 

He plays in a one-read and run offense and doesn't even try to make a play while scrambling. He cannot keep his eyes focused downfield. He can't throw an accurate ball. He can't keep the receivers out of danger.

 

I saw so many plays where he simply disregarded the defense and tossed it up. Other times he simply looked right at a South Carolina defender and never even noticed him. He'd throw a ball straight into the chest of a linebacker. Just pitiful downfield awareness. I've seen some people grading him as a 5th or 6th round talent. It's unreal how caught up people can get on a speedy QB who can make moves on the run.

 

QB Grade: F

 

NFL Projection: UDFA.

 

Final outlook: One of the worst quarterbacks I've ever graded. He has almost no translatable skills for the NFL. He'll be incredibly lucky to be a practice squad guy. I really don't even know if he'd make it in the CFL or something like that. It's pretty bad.

 

(Look out for his WR Bug Howard. Dude is a junior who hasn't garnered any attention. He looked like a next-level prospect to me.)

 

 

John Robertson

QB

Villanova

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Syracuse

 

John Robertson is half running back, half quarterback. He's not a necessarily fast player, but he is quick. He can make moves in space and pick up the first down when he has to.

 

He played in a one-read and run offense that suited his abilities very well. He's a running back more than a quarterback so it certainly made the Villanova offense more productive.

 

His mechanics are terrible, and he simply has never been taught how to throw a football right. He doesn't set his feet, instead jumping around on his heels when looking to make a throw. He doesn't follow through well, and is very awkward with his motions. He has a weird dropback that just looks uncomfortable. He's incredibly jittery when looking for his receiver.

 

He's extremely undersized for an NFL QB. He's listed at 6'1" 220 but plays like he's 5'10" 180. He does have a good spiral at least, and is good on short passes. He struggles to push the ball accurately downfield more than 25 or 30 yards. Even on the run he does keep his eyes downfield though. He can make decent plays while on the move. He's also what I'd call "greasy" in the pocket. He reminds me of Johnny Manziel in the ability to slip away from defenders and avoid a sack. Multiple times he was getting wrapped up by a guy twice his size it seemed and he'd just duck underneath an arm and break out for a run.

 

QB Grade: F

 

NFL Projection: UDFA

 

Final outlook: Robertson is a great piece for the Villanova offense. He fit their offense well and I'm not shocked they did well with him at the helm. With that said he's an incredibly gimmicky quarterback that cannot play at the NFL level.

 

Jeremy Johnson

QB

Auburn

 

Games watched: 2014 v. All teams

 

Jeremy Johnson was benched. He's still a talented player.

 

He has NFL size, and an NFL arm. He has the power to launch it down the field and the ability to zip the ball into tight spaces. He did play in a one-read system though. This causes him to refuse to take a loss on plays, instead trying to force the ball into dangerous places for the sake of making a play. He specializes in mainly hitting passes down the seam, and there is really nothing else good with his passes around the route tree.

 

Despite having an incredible arm he has almost no touch on his passes and often times hits the receiver too hard. This can cause some drops that are mainly on him. He has a very average pocket presence and is a poor scrambler off the edge. He's not a natural at QB, and is mainly a system guy. He's incredibly dangerous under pressure and that goes both ways. He could launch a 70-yard TD pass or throw a pick six. You just really never know what you'll get out of him when you put him in a collapsing pocket.

 

QB Grade: D to D-

 

NFL projection: 7th rounder/PUDFA

 

Final outlook: In the right system he could be a decent QB. He could end up as a third-stringer on a team that prefers mobile guys like Kaep or Wilson. Most likely he'll end up as an afterthought though. He's not powerful enough a runner or quick enough to be a running back or wide receiver.

 

Tre Roberson

QB

Illinois State

 

Games watched: 2014 v. North Dakota St

 

This dude can fly. He's an absolutely insane sprinter when he gets the room. He can shred a defense with a hole, and is more of a threat on the ground than a threat in the air. He has mechanical issues, such as sidearming, but he has somewhat of a powerful arm. He's undersized for an NFL QB.

 

He's good at making plays on the move and constantly keeps his eyes downfield. This is one of his best traits, and nearly got him a win over the powerhouse that is North Dakota State.

 

He's not a tacklebreaker, but he is shifty and can make guys miss. He has a pretty bad issue with panicking under pressure and tossing up bad passes for the sake of preventing a sack. He'll get jittery when guys close in on the pocket. In general he has an issue with throwing risky passes. He'll try too hard at times to force the ball where it shouldn't go. Below average accuracy is also a weakness he has. He can't lead a guy properly and often just aims for the general vicinity.

 

QB Grade: D+

 

NFL Projection: PUDFA (at RB)

 

Final outlook: Roberson doesn't have the accuracy to play as an NFL QB. He is a good enough runner that he could make it as a third-string RB or a special teams monster. The man is one of the fastest I've seen in open space and would be a great edition as a speedster on special teams or a change of pace back. He could also operate trick-play formations.

 

Jake Rudock

QB

Michigan

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Maryland

 

Jake Rudock is one of the most average quarterbacks I've ever seen.

 

He's jittery in the pocket, and often bounces around on his heels instead of setting his feet and moving through his progressions. He's also a very average runner, with an apparent injury issue whenever he runs too often.

 

He doesn't follow through properly and is often way too open with his motions. He'll show his chest to the receiver when he is throwing and that causes him to overcompensate and miss throws he should make. He has accuracy issues in general.

 

He plays in a pro system that allows him to go through his progressions. He's average at looking from guy to guy, and often telegraphs where he is planning to go with the ball. He'll stare down receivers and make his intentions known. This allows DBs to jump the routes much easier and puts the ball in a constant state of danger.

 

He's a little undersized, and doesn't have the frame that you usually look for in a guy. He doesn't seem big enough to take a hit in the pocket and get back up fine. The announcers went on and on about his injury proneness.

 

He has a very bad deep ball, and can't hit receivers effectively beyond about 20 yards downfield. His short passes are very nice though. He has a near perfect spiral and good zip, but throws a catchable ball.

 

He has questionable ball placement, and this leads to aware CBs (Will Likely in this instance) jumping a route and taking it to the house. Along with being jittery in the pocket he also panics whenever pressure gets too close. He'll just toss it up at times.

 

He has good placement and can lead the offense effectively if he has time in the pocket but he absolutely falls apart if he has a guy breathing down his neck. He also has some issues with intentional grounding (loves throwing it away inside the pocket) and patting the ball too much before throwing.

 

QB Grade: C-

 

NFL projection: 7th rounder/PUDFA.

 

Final outlook: He's a good college quarterback and could make it in the NFL as a third-string guy. He just doesn't have the arm to be a starting QB or even the mind to be a backup. He's inconsistent and unpredictable if he doesn't have a good line. He could end up hanging around the league for half a decade as a deep bench guy, but he's never going to be a franchise guy.

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request for Cody Kessler. Fuck Connor Cook.

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Churreh, could you do Paxton Lynch? He's getting a lot of hype lately, but I haven't watched any Memphis games.

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Cody Kessler

QB

USC

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Arizona St, 2014 v. Colorado, 2015 v. Washington, 2015 v. Stanford, 2015 v. Arkansas St.

 

Cody Kessler is a near exact replica of Drew Brees. He's undersized for an NFL quarterback but has a clean release and great mind that allows him to efficiently move through reads and select the right receiver to throw to.

 

He seems almost robotic in the pocket, which can be both negative and positive. He's very still and doesn't step up much when he throws, instead flicking the ball at his target. He has somewhat awkward mechanics as well, with a very stern follow-through that can be a bit limiting at times when it comes to allowing him to put full power behind the ball.

 

He's a mediocre talent when it comes to arm strength. He makes up for it with an absolutely great football mind and ability to run a pro-style offense. He steps up in collapsing pockets and is very aware of defenders closing in around him.

 

As I said he doesn't have the biggest arm but when he does go down the field he delivers a beautiful spiral and throws a very catchable pass. He also can fit into tight spaces with his passes and is able to put it on the outside where only the receiver can get it.

 

He is somewhat average with play-action and often times doesn't roll out or set up from the fake correctly. He's usually not very convincing with it either. He's very good at standing tall in the pocket despite his size. If someone grabs his shoulder he can shrug it off and step up to make the throw. If a guy is running at him he ducks underneath and tries to sneak by.

 

One big issue with his accuracy is that he often throws too high for a receiver. Usually it just gets pulled down or harmlessly flies over the top. At the pro level I'd be a bit concerned with a physical CB tipping it up and getting the pick or a safety coming up behind the receiver to grab it when it comes by. He also sidearms occasionally and doesn't have the arm strength to do it well.

 

Against good competition his passes seem to slow down. Maybe he was simply injured or I'm seeing things that aren't really there, but he seemed to float the ball a bit too much against Washington.

 

He was very weak when it came to running designed plays like one-read plays. He'd often misplace the ball and lean it too far away from the receiver. On a screen he threw the ball too far outside and it got jumped by a DB. Things like that. It seemed like this year they've got away from the pro offense that allowed Kessler to go through his progressions. It has damaged his production.

 

He is incredibly firm in the pocket and has a powerful frame despite his size. He's strong enough to push through arm tackles and unafraid of people closing in on him from the sides. He's also very careful not to give up costly turnovers via fumbles in the pocket. He'll go down before he costs the team a turnover.

 

He has amazing touch on short passes and throws a very nice pass, but for some reason his guys just can't catch the ball. Really amazes me that his receivers struggle so much to catch his passes in the flats. He essentially hands it off from 10 yards away. He has incredibly average deep ball accuracy however. The further away he goes the more likely he is to botch the pass. Sometimes he'll severely underthrow a receiver and nearly give away a pick. I think this may be due to his awkward mechanics and inability to step forward when throwing.

 

QB Grade: A to A-

 

NFL Projection: Top 20

 

Final outlook: Kessler looks like Brees 2.0. He's an incredibly good passer on short and intermediate routes, but is somewhat weak-armed and can't hit a good deep ball. With that said he's a great pocket presence and looks like a pro QB despite a somewhat underwhelming size. He may need a couple of years to fully develop his game but he could become a great QB and play for 10+ years as a starter.

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Paxton Lynch

QB

Memphis

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Temple, 2015 v. Missouri St, 2015 v. Cincinnati, 2015 v. USF, 2015 v. Tulsa

 

Paxton Lynch likely has the most potential of any QB in this draft. He has amazing size at 6'7" 245. He has an absolute cannon arm that rivals some of the best in the NFL today (He could hang with Stafford and Flacco in a bomb contest).

 

He isn't the most consistent with his mechanics but he rarely makes a piss poor throw due to mechanical issues. He occasionally lowarms the ball which can cause him to underthrow receivers at times. He plays in a somewhat QB friendly offense that does a lot of passes in the flats, but he is just as good throwing down the field.

 

He often double takes on passes and can be unsure of where to go with the ball. He needs to find his target and launch instead of worry about what he's doing every time he sees a guy wide open. He is strong enough to launch it by any potential defenders though, so even when he is unsure he usually can make it work.

 

He has an absolutely monstrous arm. He can hit 50 yards in stride without even winding up. Just an absolute missile launcher. He usually lands them on target a solid 4/5 times.

 

He has an issue with throwing inaccurately on shorter passes and timing routes underneath. Maybe it's simply an error between him and his wide receiver, but it happens on occasion. This was mainly an issue last year. This year he has gotten a lot better about this. His receivers have improved significantly this year too though.

 

He's strong as hell in the pocket. He isn't afraid of taking a hit and will casually step up and launch it despite having less than a foot in every direction. He's very tough.

 

He's a bit slow on his progressions at times, and he'll usually only cycle through 2 guys at the most before he has the defense biting at his ankles. He can sometimes find the #3 if he escapes the pocket and runs but it's not surprising if he spends a fair amount of his time in the pocket looking at one receiver.

 

When it comes to ball placement he is incredibly average. He throws it too high at times and can occasionally overthrow his receivers by a mile. In the NFL he would likely be picked 15-20 times a season due to poor ball placement like that.

 

His biggest strength is his potential. Lynch has the potential to be the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He has all the physical things you look for and more. He's the prototype QB on crack. That deep ball is a beauty to watch.

He also is somewhat refined for a college guy. He naturally has good mechanics. He steps up and follows through. He torques his body correctly. He does almost everything that you have to teach almost naturally.

 

He's a decent short-distance runner and can grab a few yards here and there. He plays increasingly well under pressure and is not afraid to go for it in big moments. He's also incredibly durable.

 

He is ballsy with his throws and isn't afraid to try to fit a pass between three defenders if it means he'll get a big play out of it. Due to his arm strength he can usually do it. He does have a tendency to overpower his throws at times and makes it tough for the receivers to catch anything that doesn't hit them in the chest. Ricocheting passes will be a huge problem for him if he doesn't have good receivers at the pro level (The Memphis receivers are damn good)

 

Lynch consistently keeps his eyes downfield even when on the run. He'd rather throw a 15-yard pass than run for a 5-yard gain. It's incredibly rare for Lynch to take off running, and he usually only does it if he has a clear path to the endzone or he needs a first down to keep the game going.

 

He absolutely hates to give up on a play which can be very dangerous at times. He usually does not make a game-changing mistake though, despite his tendency to drag on a play that would normally be dead.

 

He's solid at throwing on the run and is usually accurate with it. It's rare he throws it where the defender has a shot to grab it. He does occasionally miss a defender sitting underneath waiting to jump a route, and it could become a larger problem at the next level. Usually he has a wide-open path to the receiver.

 

QB Grade: A to A-

 

NFL Projection: Late 1st rounder with room to rise

 

Final outlook: He's a more mobile and more efficient Joe Flacco. His potential is probably the highest of any QB in this draft class, but he still has a lot of room to grow. If he continues on his current pace I wouldn't be shocked if he became the #1 overall pick. He looks like a franchise guy. He'll come in with one of the best arms in the NFL. He just has to show that he can continue to play at this pace and clean up his short game.

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if only QB - Skyler Howard. If any, Corey Coleman.

 

Deshaun Watson

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Request for Carson Wentz, since you evaluated a shitty FCS QB in Tre Roberson :p. Shitty as a quarterback, not as a player, mind you. Roberson is dangerous, but like you said, he's not a quarterback.

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Will try to get those Bay. :yep:

 

I did Roberson because he was in order. With request I will be perfectly fine flying all over the board. I will say though, Wentz will take about 2-3 hours to scout so I may not get that up until around 4 today.

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Skyler Howard

QB

West Virginia

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Kansas St

 

Skyler Howard is a decent college QB, but he doesn't have the size or arm that you look for in a professional quarterback. He's only about 6 foot tall which would leave him as one of the most undersized QBs in the NFL. His passes are somewhat wobbly and difficult to catch at times.

 

He operates a one-read offense, from what I saw, and just keeps his eyes locked onto the single target. It telegraphs his target pretty bad.

 

He's a good runner and can gain 20 yards at a time if he gets into open space. He's also very smooth with his passes on the run and usually keeps his eyes downfield. He has an issue with being indecisive though.

 

(Sorry for not having more. I only saw 3 minutes of game film on him. All I could find.)

 

QB Grade: C

 

NFL Projection: PUDFA or UDFA

 

Final outlook: Average college quarterback who won't translate to the NFL, but could make it in a lesser league. He has a lot of room to rise his stock though. I just need a lot more game film. There is a reason he isn't starting of Trickett.

 

 

Corey Coleman

WR

Baylor

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Oklahoma, 2015 v. Texas Tech, 2015 v. Rice, 2015 v. West Virginia, 2015 v. Kansas

 

Coleman is somewhat undersized for a #1 guy at 5'11" and 190 pounds. He seems more like an incredibly slim #2 receiver or a slot guy.

 

He seems to have some issues with highpointing the ball. He has very good hands underneath but if he has to raise up for it and try to catch it over his head it will usually bounce off his hands.

 

He gives up on routes way too often and can't throw a block like a pro wide receiver. He will literally just lean towards a guy to attempt a block, and if he isn't the #1 receiver he sometimes simply stands around looking at the play. It's very discouraging.

 

He's absolutely great over the top and can roast safeties on the deep route. He has a serious problem with trying to make guys miss in the open field. If he is in confined spaces he can jump and juke all day but the second he gets a one on one in the field he'll forget how to move. He goes down if he is touched even the slightest if he isn't trying to get out of a loss on the play. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets hurt often in the NFL mainly due to how hard the safeties at the pro level are gonna smack him. He seems versatile enough to take hits but he goes down so easy.

 

He's an excellent downfield sprinter and can break the defense, but most of his touches are on screens or plays underneath. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but he is very limited on routes between 10-20 yards. An NFL DB wouldn't play as off-the-ball as college DBs, so I'm unsure if he'd even be able to get the curl routes like he currently does.

 

He's a solid return man and is one of the quickest players in college football today. He'd be a good special teams player in the NFL and would probably return one or two to the house every year.

 

He has issues with scooping the ball instead of actually catching it and it leads to a lot of drops and trouble catching balls that aren't right at his chest. Even though he can elevate for jump balls he struggles to actually highpoint them. He is one of the best I've seen when it comes to tracking the ball, and it's very rare that he misjudges a pass over the top.

 

He has issues with trying to dance way too much on screens instead of simply powering forward and going for the first down. Sometimes he gains a few by juking and jumping his way past a defender or two, but majority of the time he simply gets dragged down for a loss.

 

Coleman is a great route runner on short routes and is incredibly smooth with his cuts. He gets maximum separation on the DBs with these cuts and is incredibly explosive off the snap to get the most out of his athletic ability. He is good at using his hands to bust free of defenders and turn the corner on his opponent. He gets inside on a guy every single time he wants to. He can slide over the top and get the jump on a DB. He can cut back and grab curls after the DB runs past him. Just an insane route runner.

 

He's one of the best pure athletes in college football right now. Apparently he has a vertical of about 45 inches and runs about a 4.3 40-yard dash. His cuts are clean and quick. He can reverse direction on a dime. In general he's a great #2 or slot receiver.

 

WR Grade: A- to B+

 

NFL Projection: Early 2nd rounder

 

Final outlook: There isn't a large market at the top of the draft for an undersized receiver who can't go up high for the ball. He's never going to be a true #1 receiver, but I wouldn't be shocked if he hangs around as one of the better slot receivers in the NFL for a few years to come. He could end up a lot like another former Baylor WR in Kendall Wright.

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Carson Wentz

QB

North Dakota State

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Iowa St, 2014 v. Illinois St, 2014 v. Coastal Carolina, 2014 v. Sam Houston St, 2014 v. South Dakota St, 2015 v. Montana, 2015 v. Weber St

 

Carson Wentz is not Brock Jensen :smug:

 

He has NFL size at around 6'6" 230. He isn't as good of a quarterback as you'd expect for a guy getting so much love in the media. He has a tendency to flick the ball instead of actually throwing it, which causes his accuracy to be inconsistent and at times downright bad.

 

He's a good runner on designed runs and could fit in an offense that allows QB options and draws. He isn't necessarily bad as a pure quarterback though, even if he is inconsistent. He plays in a one-read offense from what I can tell, but when his first option is completely shut down he can make a move and look for more guys on the run. He also has times where he goes through his progressions. This usually seems to be on vertical routes where he can quickly assess the defense instead of jumping around trying to find guys underneath.

 

He has a decent arm, and can hit 60 yard passes, but he has a pretty bad issue with overthrowing when he has guys really deep down the field. He also has a problem with forcing the ball into tight spaces too much without having a strong enough arm to fit in where he wants it. If he steps up in the pocket to deliver it he can sometimes make the passes work.

 

One of my concerns is that he played against mediocre competition in the FCS, but his traits look good enough to where he can play at an NFL level.

 

He has poor pocket awareness and will often times get grabbed from behind and dragged down in the backfield. People can turn the corner on the tackles and he doesn't often recognize when they come around. He also doesn't always step up when making throws, instead simply using his arm to make the throws. It causes his balls to sail and puts them in danger of being picked off.

 

He hits his receivers very well down the seam and can sell play-action well to lead receivers into open spaces. NFL defensive backs may not be fooled as easily, but it works well enough with FCS talent.

 

He has a problem with low-arming passes and underthrowing guys in stride because he doesn't release at the top of his throwing motion. It makes a lot of his passes way tougher to catch than you'd like, though his receivers aren't exactly top tier talent guys. The low-arm passes can often be batted at the line of scrimmage and picked off on the by linebackers.

 

He has some pretty bad turnover issues, especially with fumbles in the pocket. He will often hold the ball too far away from his body and have it swatted away by defenders. When it rains it pours with his turnover issues. He is either turnover-free or he has three fumbles in a quarter. Thankfully he usually stays turnover-free.

 

He runs way too many designed plays for my liking, but he seems decent enough at running pro-style plays that I can give him a pass. He's not a good scrambling quarterback though, even if he is a great runner.

 

He is very physical and durable. It's very rare that you see a QB with his natural power as a runner. He isn't afraid to hit a guy and push through for the first down. He has the drive to win and isn't afraid to put his body on the line to do it.

 

He has some issues corralling the snap at times and can lose control while looking up at the play instead of getting his hands on the ball. This may just be due to a poor center who can't snap the ball properly (I wouldn't be shocked if this is the issue) but it's still somewhat concerning when he drops the snap two or three times in a single game.

 

He's very athletic for his size and position, and actually hurdled an Iowa State defensive lineman who was rising off the ground in front of him. He's able to shed tacklers when he is running down the field and can break out of arm tackles. He's also able to make guys miss in open field and is good at cutbacks.

 

He has issues with throwing behind players on underneath routes. His timing for his receivers is not always as crisp as you'd like. A lot of times his guys have to slow down to catch the ball in open field. That along with his issues overthrowing makes me worry about his prospects as a legitimate starting quarterback. I don't think he can effectively pass 35 or 40 times per game.

 

QB Grade: B

 

NFL Projection: Early 3rd rounder

 

Final outlook: Wentz has a somewhat low ceiling, but could be a solid backup at the NFL level. He has the physical talent to play as a spot-starter or quality backup. He needs to be coached up on his passing so that he can pass somewhat more accurately. He's a good runner on designed plays and is a durable guy who can go win. I think someone will draft him high with the expectation of having a starter, and will be somewhat disappointed. He'll won't be a bad player by any means though.

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Looks like ole Paxton gaining some steam:

 

Officials from the Broncos, Texans and Bills have contacted Memphis redshirt junior Paxton Lynch's former high school coach to learn more about the QB.

 

"The scouts that call me want to know about his character and what type of kid he was," Allen Johnson said. "They’re doing their due diligence." The high school coach was not certain that Lynch would head to the NFL after this season. In fact, he stated on multiple occasions how Lynch is committed to getting Memphis to the College Football Playoff. We won't go as far to say it is pointless to speculate on Lynch's decision, but it likely won;t be revealed until January.

 

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20151104/SPORTS/151109787/101001?Title=Paxton-Lynch-s-name-gaining-momentum-with-scouts-pundits-&tc=ar

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Let me know who you guys want scouted :yep: I'm down to watch any player.

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Let me know who you guys want scouted :yep: I'm down to watch any player.

I'm obviously in QB mode, so Jared Goff and Connor Cook plz.

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Let me know who you guys want scouted :yep: I'm down to watch any player.

DeShaun Watson QB from Clemson.

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DeShaun Watson QB from Clemson.

Will get Goff and Cook likely before weekend. I can't find any film on Watson for some reason.

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Will get Goff and Cook likely before weekend. I can't find any film on Watson for some reason.

 

No worries. He's only a Sophomore and isn't draft-eligible until 2017.

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Cardale Jones and Michael Thomas. I feel like he's a one-read QB who gets stressed out when his first option isn't open, but IDK.

 

If you have extra time, Zeke and (if you're up for defensive players) Von Bell.

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Cardale Jones and Michael Thomas. I feel like he's a one-read QB who gets stressed out when his first option isn't open, but IDK.

 

If you have extra time, Zeke and (if you're up for defensive players) Von Bell.

I've been meaning to get back to scouting but it's been a huge drag with QBs. I'll try to do Cook, Cardale, and Hack before I close up on QBs until like January. Hopefully I'll get an urge to binge watch film soon and knock out 5-10 prospects.

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Corey Coleman

WR

Baylor

 

Games watched: 2014 v. Oklahoma, 2015 v. Texas Tech, 2015 v. Rice, 2015 v. West Virginia, 2015 v. Kansas

 

Coleman is somewhat undersized for a #1 guy at 5'11" and 190 pounds. He seems more like an incredibly slim #2 receiver or a slot guy.

 

He seems to have some issues with highpointing the ball. He has very good hands underneath but if he has to raise up for it and try to catch it over his head it will usually bounce off his hands.

 

He gives up on routes way too often and can't throw a block like a pro wide receiver. He will literally just lean towards a guy to attempt a block, and if he isn't the #1 receiver he sometimes simply stands around looking at the play. It's very discouraging.

 

He's absolutely great over the top and can roast safeties on the deep route. He has a serious problem with trying to make guys miss in the open field. If he is in confined spaces he can jump and juke all day but the second he gets a one on one in the field he'll forget how to move. He goes down if he is touched even the slightest if he isn't trying to get out of a loss on the play. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets hurt often in the NFL mainly due to how hard the safeties at the pro level are gonna smack him. He seems versatile enough to take hits but he goes down so easy.

 

He's an excellent downfield sprinter and can break the defense, but most of his touches are on screens or plays underneath. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but he is very limited on routes between 10-20 yards. An NFL DB wouldn't play as off-the-ball as college DBs, so I'm unsure if he'd even be able to get the curl routes like he currently does.

 

He's a solid return man and is one of the quickest players in college football today. He'd be a good special teams player in the NFL and would probably return one or two to the house every year.

 

He has issues with scooping the ball instead of actually catching it and it leads to a lot of drops and trouble catching balls that aren't right at his chest. Even though he can elevate for jump balls he struggles to actually highpoint them. He is one of the best I've seen when it comes to tracking the ball, and it's very rare that he misjudges a pass over the top.

 

He has issues with trying to dance way too much on screens instead of simply powering forward and going for the first down. Sometimes he gains a few by juking and jumping his way past a defender or two, but majority of the time he simply gets dragged down for a loss.

 

Coleman is a great route runner on short routes and is incredibly smooth with his cuts. He gets maximum separation on the DBs with these cuts and is incredibly explosive off the snap to get the most out of his athletic ability. He is good at using his hands to bust free of defenders and turn the corner on his opponent. He gets inside on a guy every single time he wants to. He can slide over the top and get the jump on a DB. He can cut back and grab curls after the DB runs past him. Just an insane route runner.

 

He's one of the best pure athletes in college football right now. Apparently he has a vertical of about 45 inches and runs about a 4.3 40-yard dash. His cuts are clean and quick. He can reverse direction on a dime. In general he's a great #2 or slot receiver.

 

WR Grade: A- to B+

 

NFL Projection: Early 2nd rounder

 

Final outlook: There isn't a large market at the top of the draft for an undersized receiver who can't go up high for the ball. He's never going to be a true #1 receiver, but I wouldn't be shocked if he hangs around as one of the better slot receivers in the NFL for a few years to come. He could end up a lot like another former Baylor WR in Kendall Wright.

BJORN, thoughts?

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