Louisiana passes "Blue Lives Matter" law

[BwareDWare94 723]

Yeah, was about to say, you can call Trump supporters stupid all you want(and they are) but there are far more people attacking Trump supporters than vice versa.

 

Well, there should be. Opposing Trump (and Hillary, too) is called Human Decency.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Nothing decent about attacking a human being for being wrong. I won't defend their opinions, but they should feel free to express those opinions without fear of being attacked.

[oochymp 2,393]

yeah, opposition to Trump is definitely a good thing, but there should be no place (or need) in any democratic system for violent opposition

Edited June 7, 2016 by oochymp

[BJORN 679]

Poverty does indeed cause crime, but what causes poverty, especially for minorities?

 

You guessed it. Racism.

If we could wave a magic wand and end all racism, those who suffered from racism would still be poor.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

If we could wave a magic wand and end all racism, those who suffered from racism would still be poor.

 

Right, because it already happened. But in the future there would (hopefully) be less poverty among minorities.

[Cherry 1,302]

 

Well, there should be. Opposing Trump (and Hillary, too) is called Human Decency.

Yeah assault is cool.

 

Really was nice when Hitler and his supporters were attacking Jews in the streets. Stopped the Jewish threat. Just human decency.

 

 

Assault for any ideology is fucking stupid Bware. You know better. It makes them no better than what they oppose.

[BwareDWare94 723]

Where did I say anything about assault? I said opposing the two monsters running for our two "parties" was human decency.

 

But yes, I do have no issue with riots and opposition at Trump rallies. Do I advocate violence? Absolutely not. Do I advocate speaking the truth to these morons, no matter how harshly? Yes.

If you support Trump, you've got hate coursing through you and you need to address it. If you support Hillary, you're an idiot who seems to think it's OK to overlook the torture and death of individuals likely caused by her idiocy. Of course, the inaction taken while these things were going on is...just....it makes me shudder.

 

Hillary would obviously be the safer choice, as she won't be starting fires constantly, but if an individual happens to have a conscience, she won't be an option, either.

[Cherry 1,302]

Where did I say anything about assault? I said opposing the two monsters running for our two "parties" was human decency.

 

But yes, I do have no issue with riots and opposition at Trump rallies. Do I advocate violence? Absolutely not. Do I advocate speaking the truth to these morons, no matter how harshly? Yes.

 

If you support Trump, you've got hate coursing through you and you need to address it. If you support Hillary, you're an idiot who seems to think it's OK to overlook the torture and death of individuals likely caused by her idiocy. Of course, the inaction taken while these things were going on is...just....it makes me shudder.

 

Hillary would obviously be the safer choice, as she won't be starting fires constantly, but if an individual happens to have a conscience, she won't be an option, either.

 

Riots = Violence. Pretty clear correlation.

 

I have hate coursing through me because I like his tax plan vs. Bernie's economy crashing pile of shit and Hillary's "same ol same ol" BS. I have hate coursing through me because I'm not foaming at the mouth in pain when Trump says we should try to stop illegal immigration. I should have a bunch of uneducated and likely undocumented Mexican teens show up and throw eggs at me if I go to see Trump speak in person. People like Trump for a multitude of reasons. Most people aren't racists who are rallying behind him to see all minorities hang. Most people are tired of a broken political system and the increasing wave of political correctness and inability to get shit done. Older folks see kids crying about their safe spaces and supporting a socialist. Across from that they see a politician who helped get a rapist off (she was doing her job but few people support that in this case). One who got people killed in Benghazi. One who openly lies to their faces and sucks off lobbyists during private speeches.

 

As much as I'd like to root for Gary Johnson, he doesn't have a shot. It's between Trump and Hillary. Hillary has the car going towards the cliff. Trump will either turn it around, or speed it up. One has a shot not to go over the cliff. The other is just gonna make us feel good as we watch it approaching.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Chernobyl426

[Thanatos 2,847]

You agree with a guy who is a racist through and through. He thinks an American-born judge isn't qualified to pass judgement because of his Mexican heritage. Note that he's upset because this judge is ruling against him in a lawsuit for Trump university, a god-awful shill of an organization whose only purpose was to "use their feelings against them (students)," in order to convince them to spend money to supposedly get an education. Just another failed organization in the long history of Mr. Donald Trump who is actually a decidedly awful businessman. The only real profits he's made are off of being a complete douchebag to others.

 

He swindled a bunch of young people out of money they were trying to spend to go to college. He's a shitbag, a sleaze, a racist, a swindler, a narcissist, and a bigot. You people who are going to vote for Trump just because he's an outsider are fools, pure and simple. Your "cure" for the disease is worse than the disease.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Thanatos

[Cherry 1,302]

You agree with a guy who is a racist through and through. He thinks an American-born judge isn't qualified to pass judgement because of his Mexican heritage. Note that he's upset because this judge is ruling against him in a lawsuit for Trump university, a god-awful shill of an organization whose only purpose was to "use their feelings against them (students)," in order to convince them to spend money to supposedly get an education. Just another failed organization in the long history of Mr. Donald Trump who is actually a decidedly awful businessman. The only real profits he's made are off of being a complete douchebag to others.

 

He swindled a bunch of young people out of money they were trying to spend to go to college. He's a shitbag, a sleaze, a racist, a swindler, a narcissist, and a bigot. You people who are going to vote for Trump just because he's an outsider are fools, pure and simple. Your "cure" for the disease is worse than the disease.

 

Note, I don't agree with racism. I don't agree with Trump university trash. I don't agree with him acting like a shitbag, a narcissist, or a bigot. I'm not voting for him because he is an outsider, I was just simply explaining why a lot of folks like him. I'm voting for him because of a progressive tax plan that generates wealth from the bottom and is the only hope at actually saving the economy. But I'm a fool. I'm a fool for not wanting to have my generation get crushed by overwhelming debt brought on by a number of failed government programs and policies. I'm a fool for not wanting to pay an effective tax rate of 40% if I make more than minimum wage. I'm a fool for wanting money in my pocket, not having the government reach in and pull it out. I'm a fool for not wanting a society of scared politicians who bend and cater to the whims of whoever whines and bitches the loudest.

[Thanatos 2,847]

So I'd guess you'd vote for the KKK if they had a great tax plan, (in your opinion, mind you, but for the sake of argument, I concede the point).

 

What do you mean by "an effective tax rate of 40%?" I get taxed 18-20%, not 40.

 

The economy is on the upswing, there is no reason to take drastic measures- such as elect a person you have no idea what he will do given his many flip flops and flat out lies.

But oh, I forgot. It's the end of the US as we know it if Trump doesn't get elected.

[Cherry 1,302]

So I'd guess you'd vote for the KKK if they had a great tax plan, (in your opinion, mind you, but for the sake of argument, I concede the point).

 

What do you mean by "an effective tax rate of 40%?" I get taxed 18-20%, not 40.

 

The economy is on the upswing, there is no reason to take drastic measures- such as elect a person you have no idea what he will do given his many flip flops and flat out lies.

But oh, I forgot. It's the end of the US as we know it if Trump doesn't get elected.

Referring to a Bernie tax plan as an effective 40%. You're not under a Bernie plan.

 

Maybe US survives if he doesn't get elected. Maybe we make it through another 8 years without complete collapse. It's most certainly coming though. Overreaching government programs and punishing US businesses with higher taxes and regulations inevitably results in failure.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Referring to a Bernie tax plan as an effective 40%. You're not under a Bernie plan.

 

Maybe US survives if he doesn't get elected. Maybe we make it through another 8 years without complete collapse. It's most certainly coming though. Overreaching government programs and punishing US businesses with higher taxes and regulations inevitably results in failure.

I'd love to see evidence supporting such a statement. Economy is on an upswing, has been for about six years now. You're stating something as fact which isn't, but that's ok, it's par for the course for you, as you continue to falsely state things about Bernie's tax plans.

 

http://www.bernietax.com/

 

You ain't gonna hit 40% unless you're making a lot more than minimum wage, bud.

 

I bet most of us are in the second income bracket, so your tax would actually be somewhere between 11 and 15%. Of course, state and others will take taxes as well, but if you're comparing your tax then to your tax now, it's an increase of 1.3%- at most.

 

This increase is due to Bernie's 2.2% flat tax for Medicare for everyone. In reality, this increases your disposable income unless you somehow have a way to pay for healthcare at <$400 a year. While it technically increases taxes by 2.2%, that's a lot cheaper than paying for healthcare, even under the Affordable Care Act.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Thanatos

[Cherry 1,302]

Sharing for umpteenth time.

 

[Thanatos 2,847]

Is that your evidence? Lmao. Just because someone threw together a spreadsheet on the internet is meaningless.

 

Bernie claims his taxes will not increase the burden on low and middle income Americans. You disagree. Which is fine. But throwing a picture up here does nothing to disprove it.

 

While we're on the subject, Donald's tax plan is made up of so much idiocy that it boggles the mind that anyone thinks that will work. Dropping the tax rate by that much on high income Americans will cost us 200-400 billion dollars a year. Once again Trump clearly has no idea what he's doing or how economics work. Which makes sense, as he is a terrible businessman who gets by solely on schilling imaginary schemes and products to people.

 

Oh and since we're using Vox, here is them explaining why Trump's tax plan is the worst one proposed by an candidate and would cost us 11.2 trillion dollars, with the vast majority of the tax cuts going to the richest 20 percent. Creating more income inequality! Yay!

 

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/25/11109160/donald-trump-marco-rubio-tax-comparison

 

 

 

And an astounding share goes to the richest 0.1 percent, those making at least $3.77 million a year. Trump's cut makes sure $1.6 trillion goes to people that rich — people like him.

 

Don't act like Trump's tax plan is some great thing for middle income Americans. It's not. Its designed to help the rich out the most. Once again, you're a fool if you think Trump is out to help anyone except Trump.

[Cherry 1,302]

Or it's from an actual media outlet that is exceedingly liberal already. Dropping the taxes on the rich will prevent them from taking money to offshore accounts and businesses overseas. Gotta make it cheaper to keep it all here.

 

Yep. Rich people get a tax cut (which promotes bringing money and jobs back btw). Your point? Everyone gets one.

 

Trump's tax plan doesn't cost US trillions. It cost the government trillions. Big difference.

[oochymp 2,393]

is every thread in this subforum going to turn into an election thread between now and November?

[Cherry 1,302]

is every thread in this subforum going to turn into an election thread between now and November?

 

[OSUViking 505]

A prominent example of taxing the lower/middle classes more than the upper class is pre-revolution France. Look how well that turned out.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Or it's from an actual media outlet that is exceedingly liberal already. Dropping the taxes on the rich will prevent them from taking money to offshore accounts and businesses overseas. Gotta make it cheaper to keep it all here.

 

Yep. Rich people get a tax cut (which promotes bringing money and jobs back btw). Your point? Everyone gets one.

 

Trump's tax plan doesn't cost US trillions. It cost the government trillions. Big difference.

 

Lmao. Trickle-down economics does not work. Period.

 

I'm done with this. You're not going to see reason here.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Thanatos

[seanbrock 1,684]

Or it's from an actual media outlet that is exceedingly liberal already. Dropping the taxes on the rich will prevent them from taking money to offshore accounts and businesses overseas. Gotta make it cheaper to keep it all here.

 

Yep. Rich people get a tax cut (which promotes bringing money and jobs back btw). Your point? Everyone gets one.

 

Trump's tax plan doesn't cost US trillions. It cost the government trillions. Big difference.

How does making it cheaper for rich people to bank in the states bring jobs back? Rich people are rich because they save their money. Poor people even if they say had an extra 10 grand a year spend all their money for the most part. That puts money in the economy. There are two things that would bring jobs back to the US, 1 we abolish minimum wage completely and allow companies to hire US workers as slave labor or 2. We could abolish "free trade" agreements and make it very painful for them to export jobs overseas.

[BwareDWare94 723]

Or it's from an actual media outlet that is exceedingly liberal already. Dropping the taxes on the rich will prevent them from taking money to offshore accounts and businesses overseas. Gotta make it cheaper to keep it all here.

 

Yep. Rich people get a tax cut (which promotes bringing money and jobs back btw). Your point? Everyone gets one.

 

Trump's tax plan doesn't cost US trillions. It cost the government trillions. Big difference.

 

Oh, this one is green under the ears.

 

Exceptionally rich people will ALWAYS attempt to evade taxes no matter what the percentage is. Greed will always win out. Those offshore accounts and overseas production will exist until we make both illegal and strictly enforce it, which should already be the case but they don't have enough pressure from citizens because most citizens are dumb and by into the every-day distractions put in place to keep people from focusing on the real issues. If you want to be an American company selling your products in America, you pay Americans to produce those products. That should be law.

Edited June 9, 2016 by BwareDWare94

[Cherry 1,302]

The idea the forcing people to keep their companies here is hilarious. The US does not own private businesses. The US cannot prevent people from taking business elsewhere. Regulation makes it harder to keep business here.

 

"Lmao trickle-down economics doesn't work" I entirely agree. That's not trickle-down economics. That's cutting taxes on everyone. Trickle-down economics is raising taxes on middle class and lowering on the rich, which is fucking stupid to begin with. Tax cuts for all brother.

 

People like to rant how the rich are using loopholes and bullshit to not pay taxes. Why are they doing that? Taxes are so high that it cost less to simply take it overseas and avoid the taxes entirely, or to pay a minimal amount. If you cut taxes and make it cheaper to just pay them rather than jump through hoops trying to go overseas with it you'll have way more rich people paying taxes and way more money going back into the system.

 

Exactly Sean. Poor people even making an extra 10 grand spend nearly all their money. It stimulates the economy. That's why I'm a huge supporter of the plan. Wealth is generated mainly at the bottom, and if people who make minimum wage pay nearly 0% in taxes, the economy will boom.

 

The issue with abolishing these free trade agreements and making it difficult for them to go overseas and openly trade is that it would stunt growth at home. Economic success comes from competing. Competing means trading.

[Thanatos 2,847]

If you think that barrel of crap Trump pushes as his tax plan is going to work in reality- without massively throwing the US into debt, at least- I really don't know what to say.

 

Perhaps the only thing there is to say is that you really need to go take an economics course.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Thanatos

[seanbrock 1,684]

The idea the forcing people to keep their companies here is hilarious. The US does not own private businesses. The US cannot prevent people from taking business elsewhere. Regulation makes it harder to keep business here.

 

"Lmao trickle-down economics doesn't work" I entirely agree. That's not trickle-down economics. That's cutting taxes on everyone. Trickle-down economics is raising taxes on middle class and lowering on the rich, which is fucking stupid to begin with. Tax cuts for all brother.

 

People like to rant how the rich are using loopholes and bullshit to not pay taxes. Why are they doing that? Taxes are so high that it cost less to simply take it overseas and avoid the taxes entirely, or to pay a minimal amount. If you cut taxes and make it cheaper to just pay them rather than jump through hoops trying to go overseas with it you'll have way more rich people paying taxes and way more money going back into the system.

 

Exactly Sean. Poor people even making an extra 10 grand spend nearly all their money. It stimulates the economy. That's why I'm a huge supporter of the plan. Wealth is generated mainly at the bottom, and if people who make minimum wage pay nearly 0% in taxes, the economy will boom.

 

The issue with abolishing these free trade agreements and making it difficult for them to go overseas and openly trade is that it would stunt growth at home. Economic success comes from competing. Competing means trading.

That's actually exactly what trickle down economics is. Cutting taxes for everyone really only benefits the rich. It's not a zero sum game. BWare hit the nail on the head when he said they'll always try to avoid taxes or costs. The greed of these people is beyond most people's imagination.