Presidential Election Thread

[seanbrock 1,684]

It's been great for a company like Walmart, granted it hasn't been good for small business but allowing all these companies to cut cost by doing so much business using essentially slave labor is allowing them to undercut small business'. We need protectionism.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

"Small businesses would benefit from a tax cut. Everyone would, actually."

 

"Oh so you want the rich to get richer huh? You hate poor people."

 

This isn't straw-manning the fuck out of me?

 

No, not really. My original statement was a response to you calling Bernie a "fucking Socialist." Of course you would dislike Bernie because he actually wants to make rich people pay up, something you have proven you want to avoid at all costs based on your posts in this thread in the past and other threads in this section. Every time someone puts forth an idea like raising the minimum wage, you are adamantly opposed to it. You think the solution to everything is tax cuts for the rich.

 

I'm sorry if you weren't aware, but that's exactly what trickle-down economics is. lol. And your posts have proven time and time again that you advocate it, which explains your dislike of Sanders.

[Bucman 891]

Why would you want to tax small businesses, who already struggle to stay afloat, thanks to Obamacare?

[Sarge+ 3,436]

I'm not sure who you're addressing with that post, but I don't agree with increasing taxes on small businesses.

 

Actually, if you agree with Bernie, as I do, healthcare should be removed from the responsibility of employers. If we had a single-payer system through the government, businesses would save a lot of money since they wouldn't have to pay for their employees' healthcare anymore. And regular people wouldn't have to worry about losing their healthcare if they lose their job or want to change jobs.

[Cherry 1,302]

Do you agree that the more money the poor and middle-class have to spend, the more things they will buy or invest in?

[RazorStar 4,025]

Sure, but why don't you support getting the poor and middle class more money to spend?

[Sarge+ 3,436]

The problem is he thinks cutting taxes on the wealthiest 1% of Americans accomplishes that.

 

Bush did that during his time in the White House and, predictably, it only made the wage gap wider. And those tax cuts continue to do so. lol

 

It's absolutely hilarious that when companies raise the prices of their goods and services, people say "Oh, that's just life..." But when people ask for a decent living wage for working their asses off, they are told to either go into severe debt for an education that may or may not help them get a better job at all, simply work harder, or die and be born again into a rich family because "life isn't fair."

 

Strict Conservatives want everyone to work their lives away for their profits without being able to provide for their families.

[SteVo+ 3,702]

So, the polls have definitely tightened in the last few days, and we've yet to see a national poll conducted in total since the FBI reopened the email nonsense. The electoral map still favors Hillary, but it looks like we're in for an interesting election night.

[Cherry 1,302]

Sure, but why don't you support getting the poor and middle class more money to spend?

I do lol. By not taxing em.

 

CUTTING TAXES FOR EVERYONE /=/ FUCKING OVER POOR PEOPLE AND HELPING RICH PEOPLE

Edited October 31, 2016 by 7-9

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Says free college and universal healthcare are unrealistic.

 

 

Advocates cutting taxes on everyone.

 

 

el oh el

Edited October 31, 2016 by Sarge

[Cherry 1,302]

Says free college and universal healthcare are unrealistic.

 

 

Advocates cutting taxes on everyone.

 

 

el oh el

Advocates taxing rich more.

 

Rich already don't pay taxes because they pay off politicians to avoid it.

 

el oh el

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Mind quoting me where I said the rich should pay more? Bernie thinks so, but that's one place where I disagree with him. I'm more in favor of closing the loopholes to force them to pay what they already owe under current tax brackets.

 

Also your intended mockery of my post doesn't make sense. You spouted two directly contradictory ideas. Cutting taxes on everyone is probably the least realistic thing ever, other than eliminating a minimum wage completely.

 

You're really making yourself look bad here, Cherry. I suggest stepping away until you calm down and think with a logical mind. Or maybe PhilElliot was right and you're not capable of that?

[Bucman 891]

I was directing my post at cherry. Obamacare is a failure and crippling businesses. Removing minimum wage would be a disaster

[blotsfan 2,112]

I know this isn't shocking, but in case you wanted more evidence that Trump is a russian shill:

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

[Cherry 1,302]

You can't close the tax loopholes for the rich. That's what the Democrats have been saying forever and they just suck in whatever money the donors give them and then shoot it back into their own re-elections. It still damages growth regardless to attempt to make them pay. Why would they? They can just take that money to other nations that won't be taxing them ridiculous amounts.

 

You guys are completely ignoring everything I say about reducing taxes on the lower classes and middle-class, instead deciding to write it off as "But why won't you help the poor have more money!"

 

That's exactly what I'm saying. Give them more money to spend by not fucking taking half of it.

 

Your post was contradictory as fuck fam. Rich will never pay large amounts of taxes because they have the financial strength to alter those in power at the top and change the tax codes. It's literally impossible to have long-lasting change and removal of corruption with a large government. The bigger the beast grows, the more corrupt it gets.

 

Stop being a condescending shitbag. I'm content to debate all day with you, but don't be an asshole about it. If you're gonna play this, "Think with a logical mind, or are you not capable of that?" shit you can go fuck yourself. I haven't once tried to nullify your argument by attacking your intelligence, and I would hope someone like yourself wouldn't play that game either.

[Cherry 1,302]

I was directing my post at cherry. Obamacare is a failure and crippling businesses. Removing minimum wage would be a disaster

 

I largely reconsidered my stance on removing minimum wage entirely, but the idea of replacing it with negotiated union wages for different industries and areas of work appeals to me.

 

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080515/5-developed-countries-without-minimum-wages.asp

[Bucman 891]

The problem is the unions in the US suck and are in with the corporations.

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

I have stayed out of this thread for a reason...

 

But now I would like to say this.

 

Election night is coming and I feel that in terms of the American people...that Trump will take the vote by small margin.

 

However, the BS electoral college will support Hilary because that's just how shit goes.

 

When I tell people their vote doesn't matter...it will come to full fruition on the 8th....and on the 9th...there will be war in the streets...regardless of the outcome.

[blotsfan 2,112]

I have stayed out of this thread for a reason...

 

But now I would like to say this.

 

Election night is coming and I feel that in terms of the American people...that Trump will take the vote by small margin.

 

However, the BS electoral college will support Hilary because that's just how shit goes.

 

When I tell people their vote doesn't matter...it will come to full fruition on the 8th....and on the 9th...there will be war in the streets...regardless of the outcome.

 

Do you have literally any evidence to suggest this will happen? The places that support Trump tend to have more electoral votes than their proportion of people would indicate.

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

Fine.

 

Trump will win on Tuesday. He's got the most avid supporters and the electoral votes...People are crazy for him and they are going to will him into office.

[blotsfan 2,112]

At least that's plausible, if still unexpected.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Hillary has also spent the whole election courting voters who are never going to vote for her. Not only is she a democrat but she's been the GOP's public enemy number 2 behind only Obama for 8 years. She was probably public enemy number 1 before Obama was elected. Like I posted before her trying to fuck with the voter registration in the primaries is going to screw her in the long run and A LOT of Bernie supporters are probably just not even going to vote because no it's confirmed even more that she cheated him out of the nomination. Hillary is cooked. I think she might lose be a significant margin tbh.

Edited November 2, 2016 by seanbrock

[Thanatos 2,847]

I really do not understand how you can somehow twist the numbers to try to act like Hillary "cheated him out of the nomination."

Sanders lost by three MILLION votes. The DNC may have rigged the *representatives* in her favor, but Sanders still loses the nomination by nearly as much if the DNC sits on their hands and does nothing- as they should have, to be sure.

 

Sanders was not cheated out of the nomination. The DNC helped Hillary win by a slightly larger margin that she otherwise would have.

 

Now if you're arguing that Sanders' supporters feel miffed because of how he was treated, then you are entirely correct. But to act like Sanders would have won if not for the DNC is just ignorant.

[OSUViking 505]

I am genuinely afraid that Trump may win.

[seanbrock 1,684]

I really do not understand how you can somehow twist the numbers to try to act like Hillary "cheated him out of the nomination."

 

Sanders lost by three MILLION votes. The DNC may have rigged the *representatives* in her favor, but Sanders still loses the nomination by nearly as much if the DNC sits on their hands and does nothing- as they should have, to be sure.

 

Sanders was not cheated out of the nomination. The DNC helped Hillary win by a slightly larger margin that she otherwise would have.

 

Now if you're arguing that Sanders' supporters feel miffed because of how he was treated, then you are entirely correct. But to act like Sanders would have won if not for the DNC is just ignorant.

So her collusion with all the biggest news networks didn't impact the election at all? There's also the fact that she used voter suppression to manipulate results too.

Edited November 2, 2016 by seanbrock