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Be aware, this is my opinion, the opinion of a fan who simply spends too much time talking about the NBA on message boards and watching games, and while I can and will defend my rankings, it shouldn't be taken as fact or anything. The rankings are based solely off of 2015-2016 season and the players who make the top 10 had to of played at least half the season, for sample size reasons.

 

As always, you're welcome to post your own rankings and question mines... So, let's goooo.

 

Outside looking in:

 

12. Evan Fournier

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15.4 PPG/ 2.7 AST/ 2.8 TRB/ 1.2 STLs/ 1. TOs

14.6 PER/ 46% FG/ 40% 3P/ 55% eFG/ 59% TS

 

Why he didn’t make it:

One of Orlando’s biggest bright spots was their effectiveness in transition, and Fournier played a huge role in that. He was extremely effective in transition due to the ability to score efficiently, both from outside and especially around the rim where he converted nearly 60% of attempts around the rim. The Magic heavily relied on Fournier’s offensive ability down the stretch and he delivered. They did good to resign him to an extension and he’ll probably play a bigger role in their success moving forward. His playmaking is lacking, though, and defense is a huge issue for him right now. Although some of that has to do with his role on that side of the ball.

 

11. Andrew Wiggins

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20.7 PPG? 2.0 AST/ 3.6 TRB/ 1.0 STLs/ 2.2 TOs

16.5 PER/ 46% FG/ 30% 3P/ 48% eFG/ 54% TS

 

Why he didn’t make it:

Wiggins was incredible around the basket last season, both with his ability to finish around the basket, and drawing fouls. Scoring from the left side of the paint at over 60%, and finishing off the season with an impressive FT rate of .44, Demar Derozan, who finished with the 3rd most free throw attempt had a rate of .47. His bounce, explosiveness and body control allows for him to get to the rim numerous ways and finish strong. His shot chart is a mess though, outside of the painted area, he made 35% of his midrange shots and less then 30% of his threes. These are areas he can easily improve though, and the league should be scared if the second half of the season was a sign of anything, he picked up his 3P shooting since February to the higher 30s and averaging above 40% in in March. So the potential is there, he just needs to be more consistent.

 

10. JJ Redick

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16.3 PPG/ 1.4 ASTs/ 1.9 TRB/ .6 STLs/ 1.0 TOs

17.5 PER/ 48% FG/ 48% 3P/ 59% eFG/ 63% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Three’s the game with Reddick, where in the past he’s always been an elite three-point shooter, this year he led the league in three-point shooting, making nearly 48% of his attempts. It wasn’t just the three-point line where Reddick was lighting it up from either, he was doing so from virtually everywhere, averaging around 49% on midrange jumpers as well, there’s no questioning Reddick’s abilities as a shooter. He led the league in points per possessions on spot up jumpers, and like Paul, was a huge threat coming off screens. He also plays very good defense, especially when it comes to defending the screen, and shooters out on the perimeter.

 

Why he’s not higher:

Beyond his abilities as a scorer, Reddick doesn’t really contribute much else in terms of impact, especially as a playmaker. He’s never really in position to make plays for others as Paul is the guy running the show but I’ve never been impressed watching him try to get others involved. I also question his ability to constantly create his own shot, and whether he can be relied to do so without the help of screeners and shooting opportunities.

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Reddick shot 48% from 3 point range?! holy crap

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Wiggins started much of the year at SF, and will start there for the foreseeable future barring a Lavine trade. Do you think they'll try to keep him at the 2 in the future?

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JJ Redick is still one of my favorite players in the NBA, he worked his ass off to go from out of the rotation draft bust to arguably a top 10 SG in the NBA. Too bad he doesn't play for the Magic anymore but he deserves all of his success.

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Wiggins started much of the year at SF, and will start there for the foreseeable future barring a Lavine trade. Do you think they'll try to keep him at the 2 in the future?

 

I think they are trying to ease Wiggins into the SF role, but he's too slight right now to play there consistently, and with his physical ability and height he's a challenge for most SGs. When you look at all the top SFs in the NBA they have at least 20 to 40 pounds on him, you've got guy like Leonard who are shorter and could probably still toss him around on both sides.

 

The weight thing might not be the biggest deal on offense, but on defense it definitely hurts him.

 

But Zack should be starting, somewhere, in my opinion, which makes this Timberwolves situation so interesting. He's shown so much potential and already a pretty decent shooter.

 

Reddick shot 48% from 3 point range?! holy crap

 

Pretty crazy to think that he hits nearly half of the threes he takes. Lol.

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Coming at you live and direct:

 

9.Nicolas Batum

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15 PPG/ 5.9 AST/ 6.3 TRB/ .9 STLs/ 2.9 TOs

16 PER/ 43% FG/ 35% FG/ 51% eFG/ 55% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Batum normally plays SF, but this past season he started more at the 2 then the 3, and was coming off a bad year, and one below his normal play. He stepped up huge last season, and was the largest reason for the success of the Hornets, at least on offense where they ranked 9th in offensive efficiency after being ranked 28th the year prior. He assisted on 26% of the Hornets’ shots, which is more than any other player on the team including Walker (20%), offense averaged 6 more points with him in the game on offense per 100 possessions, 4% better on effective field goals (adjusted field goal percentage where a 3 is more valuable than a 2), and in general many of the players including especially Walker shot better when he was in the game. This is in large part due to his ability to affect the game in multiple ways, with great instincts to be aware of where his teammates are at all times, his pick and roll game with Zeller, to his ability to draw extra defenders when going for the jumper, and having the ability to knock down the midrange jumper. He also drew a lot of fouls from the 3 point line.

 

Why he’s not higher:

His defense is probably the biggest thing holding him back at the moment, whereas a lot of players on this list are very good defenders, Nic was very inconsistent. There were times where he was pretty awful, looking like a revolving door giving up free runs to the basket and losing his man on screens. Most of it, ironically is awareness for Nic, there are many times where it seems like he’s not aware of the situation, whether it’s a screen situation or when a player is getting ready to drive, Nic wasn’t ready and was caught playing catch-up. This was a persistent enough issue in his game that you can find youtube clips of him getting blown by and caught off guard last season. Next year with MKG coming back he’ll probably move back to SF, which may be better for him as he won’t have to deal with smaller guys at the 2.

 

8. Avery Bradley

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15.2 PPG/ 2.1 AST/ 2.9 TRB/ 1.5 STLs/ 1.4 TOs

13.2 PER/ 45% FG/ 36% 3P/ 52% eFG/ 54% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Bradley’s defense is the biggest reason he’s this high on the list, which should come to a surprise to no one as it’s the area where he’s always contributed the most. When facing opposing teams, the better defender is usually tasked with defending the best perimeter offensive player on the apposing team, and that’s the role Bradley played and he exceled at it, constantly holding players below their season averages. In the two games Steph Curry played against the Celtics he put up 8 turnovers and 9 turnovers, while putting up his lowest field goal percentage of the season (still averaged over 30 points and made tons of 3s) in large part due to Bradley’s pressure. Players averaged 2.4% worse when being defended by him then they averaged against anyone else. Bradley is also a very good to great shooter, attempting more threes this past season than any season prior and putting up a good percentage of them. He also showed a lot of abilities around the paint where he converted over 60% of his attempts. Along with being a huge impact guy on defense he was also responsible for relieving Thomas of some of the offensive load, and it was clear he was needed in the playoffs when he went down.

 

Why he’s not higher:

Bradley continues to improve on offense and a lot of that can be seen by glossing over his stats from this past season. He was a good spot up shooter, but was also inconsistent in that department, and needs to improve that aspect of his game if he wants to continue to add to the spacing on the floor. Especially around the 3-point area, there were areas out there where he shot below 30% from. His overall offensive game could also stand to improve in order to get the ball out of Thomas’ hands a bit more, as a two guard it helps to be able to produce for others as well as yourself, Thomas, Turner, Smart, Sullinger were all more responsible for more assists then Bradley this past season. Bradley is one of those guys who if continues to work on his game, he’s got some superstar potential in him.

 

7. CJ McCollum

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21 PPG/ 4.3 AST/ 3.2 TRB/ 1.2 STLs/ 2.5 TOs

18 PER/ 45% FG/ 42% 3P/ 52% eFG/ 54% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Like Damian Lillard, McCollum was another player who had to step up to make up for all the starters the Trailblazers lost, and like Lillard he came up huge. He put up the best averages of his career in every statistical category, and probably one of the biggest areas where this was impressive was the increase in efficiency. When a player’s usage goes up, and the number of jumpers he takes, especially from the 3 goes up, the efficiency goes down, which was far from the case with McCollum. He attempted nearly 4 more threes a game then any year prior and completed at a much better rate. With McCollum it was a season of progression as he actually got better as the season went on, and by the end of the season he was hitting over 50% of his shots. He gets his with a very wide set of tools and ways of getting the ball into the basket from the midrange area where he attempted the majority of his shots (33%). Watch a highlight of McCollum going off for a lot of points and you’ll see him hitting everything from the midrange area, from floaters, to step backs, to jumpers (he attempted the 7th most amount of jumpers a game in the NBA last season had the best completion of anyone ahead of him).

 

Why he’s not higher:

Like Lillard, McCollum struggled some on the defensive side of the ball, often being caught out of position and letting players get to the paint with ease at times. He did a decent job of playing the lane and grabbing steals but some of that comes from too much ball watching. He also wasn’t all that good around the rim, where he didn’t shoot much better than he did from the midrange area, which is backwards, to say the least. While he has excelled at hitting that midrange shot, I almost wish he would start taking a bigger percentage of those pull-up shots beyond the three-point line, instead of what's considered by many to be the least efficient shot in basketball (the long 2's). This would, in my opinion push his game to the next level offensively as he would become a much more efficient scorer that way.

 

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6. Dwyane Wade

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19 PPG/ 4.6 AST/ 4.1 TRB/ 1.1 STLs/ 2.7 TOs

20 PER/ 46% FG/ 16% 3P/ 46% eFG/ 52% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Wade continues to be one of the best perimeter players in the league at getting to the basket as well as finishing with a variety of moves in the paint. He finished tied for second among SGs in shot attempts while driving to the basket, finished with the same percentage as Derozan on drives to the basket and was near the top among 2 guards in passes out of driving to the basket. He took it to another level in the postseason where he reminded anyone who may of forgotten that he is still one of the best shooting guards in the NBA when he needs to be. Despite not hitting on, or attempting many threes in the regular season, he hit a personal best playoff 3 point percentage of 52% making 12 out of 23 threes. He was also a very good passer this past season for the Heat accounting for nearly the same number of assists as Dragic, the guard, and actually a bigger percentage of his passes ending up as assists then Dragic (13% to 9%).

 

Why he’s not higher:

Effort and overall consistencies were big issues for Wade this past season and will probably be for the rest of his career, mostly as he saves most of it for when it’s needed in the playoffs. Especially on the defensive side of the ball where he left a lot to be desired for a majority of the season going into the playoffs. He did a better job of defending his man in iso situations then the rest of the team, but he was a lot less effective on team defense. Also for the second year in a row his field goal % has gone down, coupled with the lowest 3 point % of his career made for a season that wasn’t the most efficient.

 

5. Khris Middleton

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18.2 PPG/ 4.2 AST/ 3.8 TRB/ 1.7 STLs/ 2.3 TOs

16.8 PER/ 44% FG/ 40% 3P/ 51% eFG/ 56% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Middleton is probably not the first or second player when we think about the Bucks and the reason for their success last season. He looked like he can make a strong case for being the most valuable player on the Bucks, and as a Pistons fan, it’s a shame seeing him do this after being traded. He put up career numbers while being asked to take on a bigger role and showed to be a very versatile scorer shooting an impressive 40% from the 3 while attempting nearly 5 a game. Middleton was responsible for a majority of the spacing for the Bucks as he accounted for the most pull up shots, and catch and shoot shots (5 for each) and completing at a higher rate than any other starter. Middleton also emerged as a very good playmaker as the season progressed and was probably the most efficient passer on the team. While the team defense for the Bucks regressed this past season *cough cough* Monroe *cough cough*, Middleton’s defense was still pretty good, and he did a great job of holding his own against the best.

 

Why he’s not higher:

Middleton wasn’t the defensive stopper he was the season before, and while I tend to not buy that whole “carrying a bigger offensive load” line people like to throw out, I think it applies to Middleton. His usage went way up, and he started playing 6 more minutes a game more than he did any season prior and he’s still young. You can tell that it’s just a matter of putting it all together for him. He was also an inconsistent shooter this past season having two months where he shot well below what’s expected from him out there.

 

4. Demar Derozan

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23.5 PPG/ 4.0 AST/ 4.5 TRB/ 1.0 STLs/ 2.2 TOs

22 PER/ 45% FG/ 34% 3P/ 45% eFG/ 50% TS

 

Why he’s in the top 10:

Like Lowry, this was a career year for DeRozan, putting up some of the best stats of his career while co-leading the raptors to one of the best records in the NBA. He was a menace getting to the paint more than any player in the NBA except Isiah Thomas, and completing over 50% of the shots he attempted while driving to the basket. He also excelled at getting fouled, as he was fouled this past season on drives an equal amount of times as Harden was, and scoring more points than anyone else on drives per game at around 9. The difference between DeRozan of the past, and this one wasn’t in how often he aggressively took it to the paint, it was how often he got fouled, and that led to him having probably his most efficient season to date. In many ways, DeRozan was a poor man’s James Harden on offense forcing a lot of contact on drives, and getting to the line at a great rate. He contributed a lot to what was a top 10 offense this past season, finishing with his highest offensive rating per 100 possessions.

 

Why he’s not higher:

DeRozan is far too inconsistent at this point to even be considered in the same class as the remaining guys to make the list. This came to the forefront in the playoffs, where he finished with a field goal percentage below 40%. Like Harden, his reliance this past season on getting to the line a lot on drives impacts his overall success, and he wasn’t getting that same calls (went from a FT rate of .47 in the reg. season to .31 in the playoffs). He also doesn’t have a consistent jumper, is very streaky, and when his game isn’t on he sometimes will try to force things, which ultimately hurts the team. And then there’s his defense, which is pretty bad when you consider DeRozan’s size and explosiveness. The numbers on DeRozan on defense aren’t just bad, they are awful, and frankly are grounds for me to drop him much lower than he currently is, only reason I haven’t is because of his offense. According to NBA’s player tracking he gave up a FG percentage of 49%, which is 5% higher than the team average. Players averaged 9% better from the 3 when being guarded by DeRozan than his teammates, and his iso numbers via Synergy aren’t any better.

 

EDIT: Ironically, last season I had DeRozan lower because of his offense, as apposed his defense. Which is the opposite this past season. Lol

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^On DeRozan and Harden--they shouldn't have to deal with such drastically different officiating in the playoffs. Either stop calling so many fouls for them in the regular season or officiate postseason games the same way. It's really irritating because while Harden does his fair share of flopping, he often gets annihilated in the postseason with no whistle. The league needs to make up it's mind on how it's going to officiate players who attack and specialize in drawing fouls.

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Dmac, I feel DeRozan has always been a complete liability on defense. :lol:

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Dmac, I feel Harden has always been a complete liability on defense. :lol:

 

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^On DeRozan and Harden--they shouldn't have to deal with such drastically different officiating in the playoffs. Either stop calling so many fouls for them in the regular season or officiate postseason games the same way. It's really irritating because while Harden does his fair share of flopping, he often gets annihilated in the postseason with no whistle. The league needs to make up it's mind on how it's going to officiate players who attack and specialize in drawing fouls.

 

I do agree with this. If it's a foul in the playoffs it should be a foul in the regular season, and vice versa.

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3. Jimmy Butler

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21 PPG/ 4.7 AST/ 5.3 TRB/ 1/6 STLs/ 2.0 TOs

21.3 PER/ 45% FG/ 31% 3P/ 49% eFG/ 56% TS

 

Why hes in the top 3:

Butler continued his growth as an offensive player, where last year he was able to do something nobody really saw coming and become a very good offensive player, now its about keeping the growth going. This past season he continued to put up impressive numbers all the while carrying a bigger load of the offense, being asked to even at one point play point guard on a consistent basis for the Bulls. He finished tops among every player on this list not named Harden in assist ratio this past season, and did so while maintaining a very low TO ratio. Butler continues to bully and brutalize smaller shooting guards by being aggressive and taking it inside on them, or posting up, forcing them to foul a lot. His FT rate of .46 is one of the better marks for any guard, and he managed to shoot over 7 FTs a game, leading to him being 11th in the NBA in FTs made, and 6th in FTs made per game. One of the biggest misconceptions about Butler is that hes incapable of playing off ball, and therefore will have his offensive game hurt by having Rondo and Wade in the game with him, and while I dont like the way the three gel, I also dont think itll hurt him very much. Butler excels at backdoor cuts and getting in behind the defense, and excels at picking his angles. The other aspect of his game that sets him apart as one of the best guards in the NBA is his defense, which, when hes on his game is arguably the best due to second to none instincts, awareness, and anticipation on that side. There were games this past season where his defense literally saved the game for the Bulls (twice against the Pacers).

 

Why hes not higher:

This past season saw a bit of a slight regression in Butlers efficiency from the year before shooting 6% from the 3 while attempting the same amount of threes. Thatll probably be a repeating theme for Butler in his career as hes always been an inconsistent shooter. It was also clear this whole season that Butler and Fred Hoiberg didnt mesh well, at least on offense. Hoiberg tried to install an offense that relied on half-court sets, and asking for Butler to often take the role of a point guard, a role he failed in quiet miserably at times. The entire idea of a half-court offense didnt really work with last years Bulls, and it was pretty cringy to see Butler try to execute the pick and roll offense. This, at least to me shows that while Butler is a very good player on offense, he probably could never be relied upon to be a primary ball handler or a playmaker, he doesnt have the vision, and when the ball is in his hands hes looking to score first. His defense also wasnt to par with years past as he showed a lot of inconsistencies, going from having lockdown performance to giving up open jumpers and general mental lapses.

 

2. Klay Thompson

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22 PPG/ 2.1 AST/ 3.8 TRB/ .8 STLs/ 1.7 TOs

18.6 PER/ 47% FG/ 43% 3P/ 57% eFG/ 60% TS

 

Why hes in the top 3:

Thompson continued to prove himself as one of the absolute best two way perimeter player in the league, putting together another great offensive and defensive year. With the amount of work the Warriors do on the offensive side of the ball, it often leaves Thompson in position to essentially take what the defense gives him, which is usually jumpers. But, when its needed from him, he not only showed the ability to score often and efficiently, but the ability to on offense take over games completely. Whats more interesting is that with the emergence of Green on offense and the overall heavy amount of passing with the Warriors, Thompson still managed to put up better offensive stats this past season than any year prior putting up his best FG%, second best 3P % (while taking more shots), best effective field goal, and highest offensive rating. Even without scoring though, Thompson still impacts the offense a lot by creating a lot of space, like Curry, because the shot has to be respected. When Thompson wasnt in the game the shooting percentage of the Warriors goes down significantly. On defense Thompson excels as an on ball defender through great footwork, understanding of how to defend screens and long reach. Hes not a tenacious defender in the mold of Tony Allen who will constantly harass the man with the ball, but he just knows how to stay in front of his man with discipline.

 

Why hes not higher:

Partly, the guy at the top spot is simply better, as Thompson is simply one of the more overall consistent players in the NBA. The issue with Thompson however is that beyond being an excellent jump shooter, he doesnt really create his own offense any other kind of way. Some may argue that part of what allows Thompson to thrive on offense is the attention that Curry gets when the ball is in his hands, and Draymond Greens abilities as a passer. He was assisted on around 80% of his shots, and he himself doesnt do much in terms giving assists. While Thompson is one of the most solid players in the NBA, he does seem right now to be missing that factor that makes him a true superstar in that you cant really see him right now carry an elite offense. On the defensive side of the ball, while he is one of the best 2 guards on defense and does a great job of guarding especially the smaller PGs. Klay often goes through spurts where it seems hes totally out of it. Perhaps due to the ball-watching, or just general inconsistencies.

 

1. James Harden

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29 PPG/ 7.5 AST/ 6.1 TRB/ 1.7 STLs/ 4.6 TOs

25 PER/ 44% FG/ 36% 3P/ 51% eFG/ 60% TS

 

Why hes the best:

Guys, James Harden is really good on offense, thats why hes the best shooting guard in the league. Like, really really good on offense. He had the highest net rating of any shooting guard in the league this past season, while posting up a negative defensive rating. Without Harden I can say with absolute certainty that the Rockets would have been one of the worst teams in the league last season, and for being able to carry a team better than any other 2 guard in the league, and like only the absolute best of the best do, he deserves this spot. He continued to dominate the free throw line, making almost 200 more free throws then the guy in second place. He was 6th in the league in assists while being second in PPG and 2nd among all shooting guards in true shooting percentage. Houston was the 8th most efficient offense in the NBA last season, Harden was by far the leader on that team in assists, hockey assists, points off assists, minutes, usage, you name it. Putting any other shooting guard in the position would probably lead to a far worse result for the Rockets then having Harden run the show. And you split his numbers into before and after all-star game and his post all-star numbers look even more incredible, where he as putting up 30 PPG, on 46% from the field, 37% from the 3, over 8 assists per game and nearly 2 steals per game. Putting that into Perspective, the numbers he put up this past season (a down year compared to last year) are better than the ones put up by Derrick Rose the year he won MVP.

 

Where he can improve:

Without a doubt, defense is Hardens biggest weakness, and will probably be for the rest of his career. Its a combination of lack of effort, and just overall lack of defensive awareness. While hes no longer as bad on a night to night basis as the videos would leave you believing, hes still not any good. He did also have a turnover problem, and as a whole was not as efficient this year as some of his more recent seasons. You hope that moving forward, the Rockets will be able to take some of the offensive load off of him so that maybe itll help cut down on those turnovers.

 

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I understand why you rate James so high, but he is Houston's savior and their downfall, and it's his work ethic. You can't always become a better offensive player, but ANYBODY can become a better defensive player with effort. He's not trying, and his arrogance directly led to Houston being an average team this past season when they should have been contending for a top 4 spot.

 

Jim Peterson (Wolves Broadcast and Lynx assistant coach) said it best while the Wolves were playing Houston this past season: "When your best player isn't your hardest worker, that's a problem."

 

James Harden is currently sacrificing his own potential with laziness. Time to go to work, James.

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That's fair. But the Rockets last year had at least 3 defensive specialists on that team last year who definitly didn't play up to the level that's expected of them, had even two of them did so, I think they would of at least been better then the Blazers.

 

I don't think it's entirely fair to hold him accountable for their questionable play.

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Maybe it isn't, but as the leader of that team, he's responsibilities included leading by example, and his example is lazy and disinterested on one end of the floor. I'm also starting to think his teammates don't like him. Some of the body language seen on the floor last season indicates as much.

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OH DMACS ANNUAL LISTS TO CRITICIZE.

 

One. Butler>Thompson

 

Two. Wade shouldn't even be on this list with his injury issues.

 

Three. There is a lack of Kris Middleton

 

Four. There is a lack of Tony Allen

 

Five. Dmac is a raging homer.

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Tony Allen was not good at all last year.

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OH DMACS ANNUAL LISTS TO CRITICIZE.

 

One. Butler>Thompson

 

Two. Wade shouldn't even be on this list with his injury issues.

 

Three. There is a lack of Kris Middleton

 

Four. There is a lack of Tony Allen

 

Five. Dmac is a raging homer.

 

You're out of your mind if you think Butler is better than Thompson.

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You're out of your mind if you think Butler is better than Thompson.

 

Oh, please, they're very close. Jimmy can at least create his own shot.

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Fwiw, I think Butler and Thompson greatly cancel each other out...

 

When Butler is playing at his best on defense he is otherworldly.

 

But the same can be said about Thompson on offense, at least as far as scoring is concerned.

 

But the Butler of two years ago I would say is definitely better then the Thompson of this past year and years prior.

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