Whats everyone's Draft Board for there team look like

[BC 331]

Also have not settled down and looked at names or anything like that. We need O-line so badly. It's really held our offense back and causes our defense to do more than what they are capable a lot of the time and will probably be a huge reason why we fall short this year. I'm also insecure about our RB situation at times because when Thomas Rawls gets hurt, it feels like you can't rely on Alex Collins for much, and Prosise is almost always hurt also. Another strong safety, corner, and DT wouldn't hurt, because really we are stacked at just about everything else. I'm afraid to look at this years class because I keep hearing how bad it is for O-line. I would be down to trade picks for some solid, seasoned O-line guys, perhaps even a REAL left tackle, because really, I'm not in the mood to wait around. We need to scramble to put together a real O-line before the prime years of all of our studs are over.

Edited January 13, 2017 by BC

[Cherry 1,302]

 

Then you realize that Adrian Peterson is 1 - 4 in his career in the playoffs averaging a sterling 3.5 yards per carry and you're like... huh, maybe we can wait after all.

 

Also note that in his single career playoff victory, he carried the ball 26 times for 63 yards.

 

And how many non-QBs have bad playoff records? Again, the game is largely defined by the quarterback position, but outside of that all talent except specialists are mostly on an even field when they are making an impact. Would you not draft JJ Watt top 10? Or Khalil Mack? Of course you would. In the end you either have a team that is so talented overall that they can win big games as a group (see: Denver Broncos 2015-2016 champs) or a group that is pulled largely by a fantastic QB who does a good job at putting the team on his back (Andrew Luck's entire career)

 

The draft, again with the exception of the QB rule, is all about talent. You're not trying to play Madden and banking on some sixth round sleeper. You're taking the most talented guy on your board, or a guy that you are in dire need of from a positional standpoint, whatever your draft strategy is. But if it's a need & a talent pick it's incredibly silly to pass up a great player because "Oh we can get someone later"

 

Dalvin Cook is a great fit for the Eagles, and if they like him they should go get him regardless of the round.

[Cherry 1,302]

Don't really have names...

 

1st round: OLB

 

2nd / 3rd: CB / RB / S / OLB (if not picked earlier)

 

4th / 5th: Position Above not yet taken / 2nd OLB / G

 

6th / 7th: Whatever

 

 

Cherry, who should the Packers pick based on my "board"...

 

 

This is going to be a bit unsure because I'm not into the OLB portion of the whole thing, but I'll go based upon what I know from other guys and from what I've seen in brief viewings.

 

1st round: Tim Williams - Alabama - 3-4 OLB

 

Williams was at one point seen as a top 15 pick, but has declined quite a bit in the past few weeks due to people questioning his bend. I think a lot of guys put way too much stock into the bend a guy has and overlook how active they are with their hands and how they get to the quarterback. Everyone wants a Leonard Floyd type, and wants a freak athlete who has phenomenal bend around the tackles. I'm more of a fan of guys who like to scrap. Williams has a lot of tools at his disposal, and isn't exactly a flat-footed guy. I like his bend personally, but it's not otherworldly. He plays with a great motor and is best used as a situational pass-rusher who you take the chain off of when you want to go put the QB on his ass. For a more detailed report & his game against Tennessee, check the link.

 

http://www.whatsondraftst.com/tim-williams-report

 

2nd round: Kareem Hunt - Toledo - RB

 

Eddie Lacy is dead to me. James Starks and Ty Montgomery are solid, but they aren't power backs by any means. Hunt is an absolute tank, and in my opinion he's one of the better backs in the class. He's tough to bring down, and while he doesn't have top end speed he has the acceleration to get into space. He thrives on contact, and if you come at him you better have the shoulder down or he's going to flatline you. Detailed report & game against BYU in link.

 

http://www.whatsondraftst.com/kareem-hunt-report

 

3rd round: Cameron Sutton - Tennessee - CB

 

I haven't done a lot of work on cornerbacks outside of the guys Weapon initially asked me to check into, but I do love what Sutton brings to the table. He's a good athlete and has the ability to run stride for stride with guys. He's not a particularly physical guy, and can get pushed around at times. That said, he's a solid tackler for the position and does a good job of playing the ball once it's in the air. More detailed report and his game against Virginia Tech available at link (Watch out, he does get put in a bodybag by an Isaiah Ford double-move.)

 

http://www.whatsondraftst.com/cameron-sutton-report

 

4th round: Richard Levy - Connecticut - G

 

Solid later rounder guy who can be put in and play okay immediately. He's a lower end starter, but has the technique and footwork that can work at the next level. Middle of the pack to below average athlete who wins on good fundamentals. Report & 2015 game against USF available at link.

 

http://www.whatsondraftst.com/richard-levy-report

 

5th round: Obi Melifonwu - Connecticut - S

 

I'll be blatantly honest, since I haven't done safeties yet I can't give much information based on film study or a report. Dude is picking up a lot of buzz as a great athlete & very cerebral player. Teams reportedly falling in love with his style. Again though, don't think too much into it. I only have Marcus Maye done as a later round safety, but I hear he's going early early day three at worst.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Nice. Feel free to edit or append when you do more work on those positions. I should start looking at a few things myself, at least the above positions.

 

Desmond King.. Mmmm.

[SteVo+ 3,702]

Of the final 4 teams in the playoffs, only one has a game-changer at RB.

 

He was a mid-2nd round pick.

 

#CaseClosed

Edited January 16, 2017 by SteVo

[Cherry 1,302]

WHERE A GUY IS DRAFTED DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN GET VALUE THERE CONSISTENTLY

 

"Of all the tight ends on the four playoffs teams, only one is a game-changer, and he was a 2nd rounder. Case closed."

 

"There are no true game-changers right now who are pass-rushers in the remaining playoffs, therefore pass-rushers are not worth drafting early. Case closed."

Edited January 16, 2017 by Chernobyl426

[Bay 2,003]

Vic Beastly

[SteVo+ 3,702]

WHERE A GUY IS DRAFTED DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN GET VALUE THERE CONSISTENTLY

 

Sure it does, if it happens consistently. You think Le'Veon Bell is the only good RB who has been drafted in the 2nd round? Or later? Let's take a look.

 

Giovani Bernard - Round 2, Pick 37 (2013)

Matt Forte - Round 2, Pick 44 (2008)

LeSean McCoy - Round 2, Pick 53 (2009)

Jeremy Hill - Round 2, Pick 55 (2014)

DeMarco Murray - Round 3, Pick 71 (2011)

Jamaal Charles - Round 3, Pick 73 (2008)

Telvin Coleman - Round 3, Pick 73 (2015)

David Johnson - Round 3, Pick 86 (2015)

Lamar Miller - Round 4, Pick 97 (2012)

Devonta Freeman - Round 4, Pick 103 (2014)

Dion Lewis - Round 5, Pick 149 (2011)

Jay Ajayi - Round 5, Pick 149 (2015)

Jordan Howard - Round 5, 150 (2016)

Latavius Murray - Round 6, Pick 181 (2013)

LeGarrette Blount - Undrafted (2010)

Thomas Rawls - Undrafted (2015)

Rob Kelley - Undrafted (2016)

There is a PLETHORA of quality-caliber running backs drafted beyond the first round. Further, talent doesn't diminish as you progress through the rounds. Ajayi and Howard, both 5th-rounders, were two of the best runners in football this season.

Now, are there running backs to be had in the first round? Absolutely. But for every Todd Gurley, there's a Trent Richardson. First-round runners aren't locks.

Your "talent is talent" argument is slightly flawed. Positional value exists, and it factors into the draft. It's why fullbacks and kickers and punters don't go in the first round. They shouldn't go in the second, either. (Ask Tampa Bay how that's working out.)

So yes, it's both valid and significant that multiple teams with game-changers at running back (Rams, Cardinals, Bills) failed to quality for the postseason because they don't have enough talent around that position. In the NFL circa 2010's, running backs cannot carry teams. That makes them less valuable. Period.

 

You and Weapon have been thrashed in this debate (mostly by F4E) and the fact that you continue spewing proves that you're too stubborn to even consider changing your mind. I'm not sure why I bothered typing up this post, but the facts are here if you want them. But don't worry, Chern, you gain more perspective as you get older. Just give it time.

[Cherry 1,302]

I'd pretty much put fullback under the same specialists category as kickers and such. It's an endangered position.

 

 

Here is the success rate of a running back taken in the first round since 2000 (I'm putting this at 5+ 1000-yard seasons, which is a pretty solid bar.)

 

2000

Jamal Lewis

Thomas Jones

Shaun Alexander

 

(Ron Dayne and Trung Canidate did not qualify.)

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of the 11 drafted.

 

2001

LaDainian Tomlinson

 

(Deuce McAllister and Michael Bennett did not qualify. McAllister has 4 seasons over 1000 yards rushing.)

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of the 13 drafted.

 

2002

 

(T.J. Duckett and William Green did not qualify.)

 

One player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of the 19 drafted. (Clinton Portis was taken #51.)

 

2003

 

(Willis McGahee and Larry Johnson did not qualify. McGahee had 4 seasons over 1000 yards rushing.)

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 14 drafted.

 

2004

Steven Jackson

 

(Chris Perry and Kevin Jones did not qualify.)

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 11 drafted.

 

2005

 

(Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Cadillac Williams did not qualify.)

 

One player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 17 drafted. (Frank Gore was taken #65.)

 

2006

 

(Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney, DeAngelo Williams, and Joseph Addai did not qualify.)

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 11 drafted.

 

2007

Adrian Peterson

Marshawn Lynch

 

No player drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 16 drafted.

 

2008

Chris Johnson

 

(Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones, and Rashard Mendenhall did not qualify.)

 

Two players drafted beyond the first round reached the milestone out of 18 drafted. (Matt Forte was taken #44. Jamaal Charles was taken #73.)

 

If I keep going, the criteria will kind of fall off due to the length of careers & the fact younger guys haven't had the necessary time to reach such a lofty milestone. That said, let's look back at the success rate.

 

First round RB picks are 8 of 26 when it comes to reaching five seasons of over 1000 yards rushing, which I would argue is sustained success.

 

Non first round RB picks are 4 of 130 when it comes to reaching five seasons of over 1000 yards rushing.

 

For every success story you get like a Le'Veon Bell, you're going to get a dozen Bishop Sankey types that never pan out. I'm not saying reach on a RB like you could with a QB due to positional need, but you should always draft a player where you believe their talent lies. If you think you've got your guy you need to trust your evaluation and go get him.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

I think it's all about common sense at the end of the day...

 

Like with all positions the earlier you draft the player the more chances you have of him being more successful. But I still think claiming that RBs are devalued cause they can be found at a later round is a misnomer.

 

While you can find a good RB in the late round, it's untrue to assume the success rate is so great that you should pass up on an elite talent at the position if he's there. Especially if you don't have one at that position.

 

And this is coming from a guy who argued with virtually everyone on this site for like, 8 pages that AP (and RBs in general) didn't deserve that MVP.

 

Then again, I also religiously preach BPA over just about everything so there's no changing my opinion either. Lol.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

Anyway, I want Garrett. Badly. And Foster. Actually, there are a lot of defensive players on my wishlist.

[oochymp 2,393]

Here is the success rate of a running back taken in the first round since 2000 (I'm putting this at 5+ 1000-yard seasons, which is a pretty solid bar.)

considering that only 12 backs met the criteria you set, I think you may have put the bar a bit too high

 

I got curious and looked up how many RBs have 5+ 1000 yard seasons since 1978 (when the NFL expanded the season to 16 games) here's the list:

Shaun Alexander

Ottis Anderson

Tiki Barber

Jerome Bettis

Earl Campbell

Jamaal Charles

Eric Dickerson

Corey Dillon

Tony Dorsett

Warrick Dunn

Marshall Faulk

Matt Forte

Eddie George

Frank Gore

Ahman Green

Rodney Hampton

Steven Jackson

Edgerrin James

Chris Johnson

Thomas Jones

Jamal Lewis

Marshawn Lynch

Curtis Martin

LeSean McCoy

Walter Payton

Adrian Peterson

Clinton Portis

Barry Sanders

Emmitt Smith

Fred Taylor

Thurman Thomas

LaDanian Tomlinson

Ricky Watters

Ricky Williams

 

that's 34 backs since 1978 that have had "successful" careers, to me that's setting the bar a bit too high

 

 

Alternatively, under your standards Marcus Allen didn't have a 'successful' career and he's a Hall of Famer

In case anyone wants to check my work: Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

[Cherry 1,302]

In terms of getting the bang for your buck value that you'd expect from a first round RB, I don't think it's an outrageous bar to have. I'm not sure you could argue those guys were anything but legitimate game-changing talents, with exception of maybe Rodney Hampton? What would you propose?

[oochymp 2,393]

In terms of getting the bang for your buck value that you'd expect from a first round RB, I don't think it's an outrageous bar to have. I'm not sure you could argue those guys were anything but legitimate game-changing talents, with exception of maybe Rodney Hampton? What would you propose?

You may be right as far as what you'd expect from a first rounder, but the question is do you need that caliber of a RB to have a successful team? Because putting together a successful team is what the NFL is about, right? Having an elite caliber RB (which is what you'd hope for from any first round pick) is certainly good, but do you need to get one from the draft? I would argue that you don't. First of all, the guys your criteria bring up are players who were among the top backs in the league for a long time, you don't need that. Particularly with veteran RBs going as cheap as they are now it's an easy spot to band-aid over repeatedly, which decreases the need to expend a lot of draft capital on the position. In fairness, using the relative cheapness of veteran RBs to support devaluing them in the draft could be considered a circular argument, but I think the fact that free agent RBs aren't getting a lot of money buttresses the point that RBs just don't have the same value they used to.

[Cherry 1,302]

You may be right as far as what you'd expect from a first rounder, but the question is do you need that caliber of a RB to have a successful team? Because putting together a successful team is what the NFL is about, right? Having an elite caliber RB (which is what you'd hope for from any first round pick) is certainly good, but do you need to get one from the draft? I would argue that you don't. First of all, the guys your criteria bring up are players who were among the top backs in the league for a long time, you don't need that. Particularly with veteran RBs going as cheap as they are now it's an easy spot to band-aid over repeatedly, which decreases the need to expend a lot of draft capital on the position. In fairness, using the relative cheapness of veteran RBs to support devaluing them in the draft could be considered a circular argument, but I think the fact that free agent RBs aren't getting a lot of money buttresses the point that RBs just don't have the same value they used to.

 

Do you need a great CB? A great edge rusher? A great left tackle? My point was essentially there are 21 positions that all have relatively similar value to winning if we're talking purely equal talent grades. QB is the only position that is really a necessity to win a ring unless you have an all-time great roster. I simply believe that if a RB is the highest graded player on your board and a need, you go get that player barring more rewarding offers to trade out. I'd take Sidney Jones top 5 because he's that special IMO. Cornerbacks rarely go that low, but talent is talent.

[WeaponX20 26]

 

Do you need a great CB? A great edge rusher? A great left tackle? My point was essentially there are 21 positions that all have relatively similar value to winning if we're talking purely equal talent grades. QB is the only position that is really a necessity to win a ring unless you have an all-time great roster. I simply believe that if a RB is the highest graded player on your board and a need, you go get that player barring more rewarding offers to trade out. I'd take Sidney Jones top 5 because he's that special IMO. Cornerbacks rarely go that low, but talent is talent.

Me and you are the Only people i believe would take Sidney Jones that High , Jones is a fantastic Talent teams will regret Passing on him

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

Not a fuckin' streaking tiny WR in the 1st...

[BJORN 679]

A good running back should never be shafted by draft placement. Todd Gurley is literally the entire Rams offense. He put the entire group on his back and nearly dragged it to a thousand yard season. A running back that is truly special is worth every bit as high a pick as any other position (outside of specialists and the obvious QB if you need one.)

 

That said, I wouldn't touch Cook in the first. Fournette on the other hand? I'd consider taking him top five. The special guys are worth taking early.

There is no way Fournette makes it out of the top 10, I'd also take him top 5.

[WeaponX20 26]

Id take Fournttee 1st pick if i was i Need of a RB

[oochymp 2,393]

 

Do you need a great CB? A great edge rusher? A great left tackle? My point was essentially there are 21 positions that all have relatively similar value to winning if we're talking purely equal talent grades. QB is the only position that is really a necessity to win a ring unless you have an all-time great roster. I simply believe that if a RB is the highest graded player on your board and a need, you go get that player barring more rewarding offers to trade out. I'd take Sidney Jones top 5 because he's that special IMO. Cornerbacks rarely go that low, but talent is talent.

edge rusher and LT? absolutely, CB is debateable but I'd still take a talented CB over an equally talented RB (assuming team need is equal) because those positions have a much bigger impact on the game, especially with so many teams having success with RBBCs there just isn't as much value in the top flight RBs as there is in top flight talent at other positions.

[Cherry 1,302]

I mean to win a ring. Denver didn't need a great LT right? Hell, Carolina came damn close with no OL at all. Year before that with Pats wasn't Solder hurt and they had Cannon at LT when he was bad.

 

Edge rusher. Did the Pats really have a premier pass rusher when they won it?

[oochymp 2,393]

And what did those teams have at RB?

[Cherry 1,302]

Exactly. Outside of QB no single position matters to the extent of bringing a trophy home. That's why you go BPA or need.

[Cherry 1,302]

It doesn't matter what I think because we're drafting another DT in round 1.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Haven't scouted enough yet, but the Eagles need to take the BPA between WR/OL/DL/CB.

This is basically the same with me. There are a couple first round guys that I like though. I've looked at some. I couldn't rank them yet but just some players I would like would be as follows. I would like to add offensive play maker though because I would be all for adding a top flight TE or RB. Team just needs guys who make plays.

 

WR

Mike Williams

Corey Davis

Artiavis Scott (probably 2nd or 3rd)

 

RB

Dalvin Cook

James Connor (not first round)

Donnel Pumphrey (Sproles replacement)

 

TE

OJ Howard (not really up to speed on any TE's after that)

 

OL

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramczyk

(need to study up on OL a lot for the mock draft lol)

 

DL

Solomon Thomas (This would be a BPA selection. I didn't watch a lot of college ball but this guy stood out to me in every game I saw. If he's not taken top 10 he's going to be an absolute steal)

Derek Barnett

Malik McDowell

Montravius Adams

 

LB

Rueben Foster

Kendell Beckwith -Saw an LSU game and loved the way this guy can get off blocks

(need to live up to my LB guru status and study up these guys)

 

CB

Sidney Jones

Desmond King

Marshon Lattimore (ew OSU)

 

This list will grow. 9 of those guys I'd be thrilled if the Eagles got.