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11 count indictment handed out to one of the guys / companies involved in the Uranium One Deal. Mark Lambert charged with bribing Russian officials plus other things -- https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/exec-charged-with-bribing-russian-official-in-uranium-deal/

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A four-page memo circulating in Congress that reveals alleged United States government surveillance abuses is being described by lawmakers as “shocking,” “troubling” and “alarming,” with one congressman likening the details to KGB activity in Russia.

Speaking with Fox News, the lawmakers said they could not yet discuss the contents of the memo they reviewed on Thursday after it was released to members by the House Intelligence Committee. But they say the memo should be immediately made public.

“It is so alarming the American people have to see this,” Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan said.

“It's troubling. It is shocking,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said. “Part of me wishes that I didn't read it because I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things could be happening in this country that I call home and love so much.”

Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz said he believed people could lose their jobs after the memo is released.

“I believe the consequence of its release will be major changes in people currently working at the FBI and the Department of Justice,” he said, referencing DOJ officials Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/18/gop-lawmakers-demand-alarming-memo-on-fisa-abuses-be-made-public.html

 

It's FOX but I think the content is there on this one. Sounds disturbing and I don't even know what is in it. Not sure I want to.

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That bit at the end there makes me think this is a ploy to clear out those agencies/departments, but I literally know nothing but what is in that quote block so take that with a grain of salt.

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This memo was written by House Republicans and its only Republicans who are saying anything about it. Not 100% saying there's nothing there, but this looks pretty much like a last ditch effort to divert attention away from the GOP's utter failure to keep the government running while having control of all three sectors and yet somehow still blaming Dems for the impending shutdown.

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I thought about that , but the news wire is so cluttered already. I mean hardly anyone is talking about Trump asking a Porn star to spank him and their affair.

 

Not saying youre wrong but I think theyve done their job if thgs the case with me anyway. I want to know what it is.

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I thought about that , but the news wire is so cluttered already. I mean hardly anyone is talking about Trump asking a Porn star to spank him and their affair.

 

Not saying youre wrong but I think theyve done their job if thgs the case with me anyway. I want to know what it is.

 

It says a lot about how absolutely off the rails this administration is that I actually don't know what you're talking about with the Porn star.

 

Just lmao.

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Obviously not released yet and people have to talk in riddles -- but what I gather it seems to be along the lines of the DNC creating the narrative of Trump's collusion with Russia and that the entire system was rigged for Hillary to be victorious (which we kinda knew anyway). Claims that if the memo was released high ranking officials would be imprisoned and Robert Mueller's investigation would be brought to a stop.

 

In reality it's probably less dramatic than that... Regardless, this needs to be seen, no matter how severe.

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The memo was written by House Republicans lmao.

 

That's the thing, there is no way to confirm that what is claimed is true and they most definitely have a motive to make that shit up.

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I highly doubt it would be completely fabricated -- especially when they are calling it to be released, where if it was, it would be seen as totally fabricated and their careers would be over and charges filed against them... And if that is the case, again, it needs to be released so those on the committee and Mr. Nunes himself can be served.

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Oprah 2020 isn't happening. Thank Christ.

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Looks like Trump is on the verge of passing a bill for the "dreamers" in exchange for funding for the border wall. Say what you want about Trump, but he's passing bi-partisan legislation like we haven't seen in a while. Well, trying to, anyway.

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Ya, I think I said something similar a while back. He's not afraid to work with Democrats in the slightest.. And for as much shit as the DNC threw at him over the wall... Here it comes.

I guess that is what you call the Art of the Deal.

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Perhaps the hardest thing for Liberals to acknowledge is that he really isn't Lucifer in the flesh

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On social issues he's pretty shit...

 

But most of his economic moves lately are hitting it out of the park.

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I think the dreamers-for-border-wall funding is good for Democrats too. They get to claim the dreamers bill (whatever it ends up being) as a political victory, and they can campaign against Trump saying that Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

 

Both sides get something they want but have to compromise a little. That's how it's supposed to work.

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If Trump raises the federal minimum wage some time during his term (and I think he will), I'm going to take back a lot of the things I said about him.

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What's weird to me though is that they had a deal and then at the last minute Trump backed out of it. Why do that and then turn around and give the Dems DACA anyway? Just weird. This entire thing would have been avoided if Trump had just taken the deal the first time, no? Or am I missing something?

 

Also it will always be hard to acknowledge someone who engages in ridiculous childish namecalling: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/956938973326098432

 

As being good at anything. I can say Trump is a complete egotistical narcissistic crybaby who can't take any sort of negative critique without throwing a hissy fit and still say I like some of what he's doing on the economic side of things. But it definitely rubs me the wrong way that the President of the country is engaging in juvenile name-calling on Twitter as if he's a six year old on the elementary school playground.

 

And I don't even have to look up a specific example, I just go to his twitter whenever I want to show someone else and there he is calling someone else a made-up name. He retweets himself constantly on his own account, he blatantly lies every other tweet, and is generally just a horrible person.

 

Not saying other politicians aren't also horrible, but they aren't anywhere near as in-your-face about it, and as long as Trump keeps doing this- which I think he will for however long he is in power- it will always be hard for anyone on the opposing side to acknowledge anything good he does, because he turns right around and crows about it on Twitter. Just recently, Acosta wrote a piece trying to compliment Trump on things and Trump immediately retweeted it- even still calling him Crazy Jake Acosta from fake news CNN- and crowed about it.

 

He is every internet troll's dream man. He leads by dividing and trying to get people angry instead of trying to unite the country, and any time anyone gives him a shred of credit from the opposing side he acts like a complete idiot about it. Kudos to those who will work with him from the other side, despite how childish he acts.

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It has been very difficult for me to change my perception of Trump. Well, I don't think my perception of him has changed a whole lot. I still think he is not a very good President IF social issues are your most important gig. They used to be mine.

 

I think what Trump has done for me, only speaking personally here in my life, is that he has shown me that we really needed to take care of the economy. Even if that means begrudgingly doing so at the expense of being a horrible person. I don't like him as a person and never will. If I had a beer with him at a bar, I would probably find a way to spit in his drink somehow when he's not looking.

 

At the same time, I also can't deny that a lot of people are going to benefit from his pro-business stances. I didn't think he would deliver on a lot of what he said during his run to the Presidency. And, to be sure, he has broken many promises he made. But some of those promises were so unrealistic that it's really the fault of the voter for believing them.

 

Trump, despite his bankruptcies, is a successful business man. He knows how they think because he is one. He knew that cutting taxes would encourage hiring. It certainly doesn't hurt it. I am sure even long before he ran, he himself knew in his own businesses and in those of his friends that they would hire more people IF they knew the economic outlook would support it.

 

It seems like Mr. Trump has taken us a giant step forward in that direction. So I will not say he's a good man or a champion of liberties. If I want that, I will have to look elsewhere. This is nothing new to me... I have always known it.

 

But as I have undergone my metamorphosis as a person, I have become selfless. I don't want success just for myself. I want everyone to have the opportunity to have success. The tax cuts definitely make the rich richer. There's no denying that. But I also think Trump will raise the Federal minimum wage to at least $10 an hour. Although he has flip flopped on this in the past, he was very much in favor of it at one time.

 

What I am seeing is that my socialist views are not the only way for the average Joe to get more. I am very much trying to stop looking at the world that way. It has been pretty difficult. I knew it would be. But it is a fight I will approach head on, and, eventually, I will win it. Does this mean if I could go back, would I vote for Trump?

 

For now I'd still say no. I still think many of his views are dangerous and short-sighted. But I will at least state that I am able to give him credit for not being the absolute worst ever. And I say that knowing that in the past I said/felt differently. Trump hasn't proven me totally wrong. I was still quite correct with many of my hot takes on him. I only have to say that he has been a lot better than I ever thought he would be.

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I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out how hard it is to work with someone who will constantly talk bad about you on twitter, then you meet them face to face and they want to pretend like that isn't happening.

 

My issue with the tax cuts is more that the corporate taxes are permanent whereas the individual ones are not, and we'll just have to renegotiate this a few years down the road.

 

Trump is a unethical successful businessman, by which I mean he intentionally exploits the law for personal gain, such as using bankrupticies as a way to go into something he knew he wasn't going to fund with the intention to use bankruptcy to get out of it. Legal, yes, moral no.

 

And that "small loan of a million dollars" seriously helped him out. Any competent person given a loan of a million can get into the system and make a lot of money, it's that upfront cash to get you started that is the problem for most people.

 

As far as raising the Fed. min wage, I think any President would have done it this time, the popular support for it is overwhelming.

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Well, 35% was absurd, so making corporate tax breaks permanent is great so long as the loopholes that give them absurd tax breaks are closed along with it. I'm not sure if they are or aren't. The main reason many of us didn't give a shit about 35% is because we weren't gullible enough to think most corporations were paying anything near that percentage. I hope we find out the loopholes are closed.

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My issue with the tax cuts is more that the corporate taxes are permanent whereas the individual ones are not, and we'll just have to renegotiate this a few years down the road.

 

 

Without this, the bill wouldn't have met the criteria for the Byrd rule.

 

Yes, they could have made the corporate cuts expire. In the long term though, I think it is seen as more beneficial to give these breaks to businesses rather than individuals.Temporary cuts for business would completely change their approach and views of the cuts themselves. For example, if it was in the provision that those cuts were temporary.. I don't think you see them hand out these large bonuses to employees... Or, what is the incentive of bringing more jobs here from overseas if they know the reason they are doing so wouldn't be in place in 10 years?

 

Also, just politically... I bet most of us are assuming that the Democrats are going to sweep Trump and Republicans out of power... Imagine in 10 years or whatever it is when Democrats are in power and this bill goes to sunset.. Are they REALLY going to let these expire? It'd be a HUGE strike against them if that were to happen and would help sweep the GOP BACK into the spotlight.

 

It just makes sense, honestly from all angles that the individual cuts "expire" eventually.

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It has been very difficult for me to change my perception of Trump. Well, I don't think my perception of him has changed a whole lot. I still think he is not a very good President IF social issues are your most important gig. They used to be mine.

 

I think what Trump has done for me, only speaking personally here in my life, is that he has shown me that we really needed to take care of the economy. Even if that means begrudgingly doing so at the expense of being a horrible person. I don't like him as a person and never will. If I had a beer with him at a bar, I would probably find a way to spit in his drink somehow when he's not looking.

 

At the same time, I also can't deny that a lot of people are going to benefit from his pro-business stances. I didn't think he would deliver on a lot of what he said during his run to the Presidency. And, to be sure, he has broken many promises he made. But some of those promises were so unrealistic that it's really the fault of the voter for believing them.

 

Trump, despite his bankruptcies, is a successful business man. He knows how they think because he is one. He knew that cutting taxes would encourage hiring. It certainly doesn't hurt it. I am sure even long before he ran, he himself knew in his own businesses and in those of his friends that they would hire more people IF they knew the economic outlook would support it.

 

It seems like Mr. Trump has taken us a giant step forward in that direction. So I will not say he's a good man or a champion of liberties. If I want that, I will have to look elsewhere. This is nothing new to me... I have always known it.

 

But as I have undergone my metamorphosis as a person, I have become selfless. I don't want success just for myself. I want everyone to have the opportunity to have success. The tax cuts definitely make the rich richer. There's no denying that. But I also think Trump will raise the Federal minimum wage to at least $10 an hour. Although he has flip flopped on this in the past, he was very much in favor of it at one time.

 

What I am seeing is that my socialist views are not the only way for the average Joe to get more. I am very much trying to stop looking at the world that way. It has been pretty difficult. I knew it would be. But it is a fight I will approach head on, and, eventually, I will win it. Does this mean if I could go back, would I vote for Trump?

 

For now I'd still say no. I still think many of his views are dangerous and short-sighted. But I will at least state that I am able to give him credit for not being the absolute worst ever. And I say that knowing that in the past I said/felt differently. Trump hasn't proven me totally wrong. I was still quite correct with many of my hot takes on him. I only have to say that he has been a lot better than I ever thought he would be.

 

Let me have a preface first, which is I have been finding I am becoming less and less interested in politics and this is for a myriad of reasons. One, I never liked it but I put an importance on them for some reason, mainly because people said it will effect my life. In 30 years I cant say I have woken up and felt different under any president. I watched Beavis and Butt-head moron-athons under Clinton, went to war under Busch, went back and got me some more under Obama, made a killing off of the military industrial complex under Obama as a civilian contractor, and gay people are still allowed to get married under Trump. So I say all that to say nothing ever really changes. I cant say my quality of life has been any worse under anyone.

 

The second is in about the next 18 to 36 months I will be at a point financially where I will have enough client contracts, and the wife having a recession proof job, is going to allow us to have enough money where no president is going to bankrupt me. Worse comes to worse I just take my money and retire in the Bahamas on a modest living.

 

So with that out of the way, you will understand why I have paid no attention to politics in the last few months, especially with things going on with Macy.

 

So to my question. What makes Trump a horrible person? I am not saying he is a great guy, but a lot of people like to say he is a horrible human being. How so? The only thing he has done that I can think of is that Transgender ban that got everyone in a tizzy. He should not have gone about it that way and I will grant you that. He should have said you cant transition during military service period, but before or after is up to you. The military is also not going to pay for it. So you are up shit creek there. Other than that if they were born a man, and want to serve as a woman then whatevs.

 

So seriously though what else has he done to make him a horrible person? The "grab'em by the pussy" ? Who gives a fuck? He was taped without his knowledge in a private conversation among his peers. Did you ever say dumb shit in a locker room? I have. Most men have and all the pussy's running around in their pussy hat's talking about how insulting it was, remember women do the same shit. You think they have never talked about dudes dicks? The fuck outta here ALMOST EVERYONE does that shit. So what?

 

Is it him tweeting ? What specifically? Is it the dreamers? I mean they are TECHNICALLY illegal, and as a president you should probably be worried about it. IF its the dreamers that Justin Trudouche is the biggest cocksucking asshole in the world because try immigrating to Canada...not easy. They have harsher rules than we do. So does Australia but they are a beacon for the SJW left. I really cant point to any one thing that makes him this monster people claim he is. Or at least the kind that makes him different. I think his anti-union business practices make him an asshole, but he is no bigger asshole than say Jeff Bezos. I really dont understand what makes him this giant boogeyman.

 

This really is not an argumentative statement, I just would like to know what YOU think makes him an asshole, or is it just the thing to say because if people dont we get called names.

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Most of my beef with Trump is summed up with Thanatos' posts above, but for me there is also more to it than that.

 

He is a number of things that just don't jive with me. First being petty and thin-skinned. It is amazing that someone who postures as such a hardass on one hand turns around and whines incessantly that he is not #1 in EVERYTHING on the other hand. Do you really deny this? Is it possible to deny this? There are limitless examples.

 

He takes the most harmless comments and blows them up into an attack on everything he stands for. And for Trump, what constitutes an attack? Anything less than saying he's the best and America's savior. He is brash, rude, egotistical, conceited... basically the total opposite of the way I would describe myself.

 

And Trump can imply all he wants to that the U.S. doesn't need any help from anyone, but that is not true. Other countries are mocking him or even outright banning him from visiting. Regardless of the reasons... I am not aware of any President being banned from visiting a country in the past 25+ years at least. If it has happened, then I apologize for being wrong. But I don't think so.

 

Imagine that. Other countries are saying we don't want the President of the United States here. It takes an absolute asshole of epic proportions for that to even be an option, don't you think?

 

Like I said, I'll give him credit for his economy, but outside of that? He can go drown in his own piss.

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Look, if Trump was 20 years old when he made that grab em by the pussy comment, I'd let it slide. But he wasn't. He was 60+. It's a horrible comment and no I have never made anything approaching that. I have definitely heard it said, but again, by college fratboys, not by a 60 year old man. Grow up already.

 

It takes a pretty horrible- not to mention racist- person to refuse to rent out his apartments to black people.

 

It takes a pretty horrible, not to mention racist, person to generalize all Mexicans coming into the US as rapists, drug dealers and criminals.

 

It takes a pretty horrible person to suggest killing the families of terrorists as an actual viable option for the war on terror.

 

It takes a pretty horrible person to insist on loyalty to you over the constitution and ask two different FBI directors to pledge their loyalty to him.

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While I don't disagree with any of that, it isn't exactly a requirement to personally like or idolize a President. It seems like most Presidents aren't exactly great people.

 

My favorite and IMO one of the best Presidents ever, JFK, was fucking women left and right... He saw women as an object, a thing to conquer. He had sex with women in the white house, with a wife and his young children at home. He had sex with women his father had slept with.. Actresses, prostitutes, white house interns... Hell, he fucked his own wifes secretary.

 

That's not to condone or excuse Trump -- but the political system favors the corrupt. Morality isn't a trait Americans look for nor one they get to choose from often.

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