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Prove that God DOESN'T exist. Oh you can't? Then your argument is invalid.

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4 minutes ago, seanbrock said:

Prove that God DOESN'T exist. Oh you can't? Then your argument is invalid.

Yes when you're trying to prove a negative, it's a problem. That's the problem of accusations with no proof. They can be argued to either point, if we're operating under the assumption that you have to have proof to be able to make a statement, and the overwhelming majority of political wrongdoing would not be discussed, because there's rarely any evidence.

 

We are only finding out how crooked Nixon was, or at least to the extent of which, five and six decades later.

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https://dmlnews.com/eye-opening-list-donors-clinton-foundation-list/

I mean, I guess taking money from other countries doesn't mean she did what Trump is accused of but I mean come on lol. COME ON!!!!

I wonder what a special investigator would turn up if they were investigating the Clinton Foundation. Probably nothing right? :Yao:

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Trump is the President. It's probably a bit more important to focus on him than someone who will never hold another powerful position. Just sayin'. You guys want Hillary to become irrelevent... ok, I agree. Here's our chance.

 

How about we stop bringing her up to deflect from Trump being the most corrupt and incompetent piece of shit ever to hold office. 

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29 minutes ago, Sarge said:

Trump is the President. It's probably a bit more important to focus on him than someone who will never hold another powerful position. Just sayin'. You guys want Hillary to become irrelevent... ok, I agree. Here's our chance.

 

How about we stop bringing her up to deflect from Trump being the most corrupt and incompetent piece of shit ever to hold office. 

I don't think it's a deflection personally. The question was posed to name a Democrat who was bought and paid for by Foreign governments. I think that is how she entered the conversation, I mean she was in it before, but it was alluding to the same point.

 

so, we can talk about Trump being the biggest piece of shit to ever hold office, but what is there to say? Should we just continue to talk bad about him and ignore everything else? I'm not sure there's anybody here that would disagree with this statement that Trump is a piece of crap, and completely undeserving of the office in which she holds. So really there's not a lot to talk about on Trump, at least until the Mueller investigation is over.

I won't speak for Sean, as I believe he can speak for himself. I think the main reason that I bring Hillary up, and crooked people from the past is the fact that I'm trying to allude to a bigger issue. I don't really think The Narrative of Republican Democrat wrestlemanias is going to get us anywhere, I don't think electing one over the other is better no matter who you vote for necessarily, I certainly don't think either are good for a country. I bring it up because I think it's a systemic issue, the system is broken. The more people see that the better off we are in my opinion, so it's not to absolve Donald Trump for being a piece of crap, and it's not to hit everybody with the Revelation that Hillary Clinton is a terrible human being either, I think we're all well aware that both of them are shitty people, so the fact that they were on the ticket for both major parties what does that tell everyone else? Serious question, I don't know how either of you read it, but to me it just reads as a systemic issue.

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Plus, everyone for now is saying she is secretly planning a 2020 run. lol

Maybe that changes as more candidates emerge and we see who the strongest players are, but that is the talk right now.

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4 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

Plus, everyone for now is saying she is secretly planning a 2020 run. lol

Maybe that changes as more candidates emerge and we see who the strongest players are, but that is the talk right now.

So 6 more years of Trump then ?....Greeeeeeeeaaaatttt.

 

if she did, and the DNC let her do it, that's pretty much an admission that they have no idea what's going on.

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Hilldawg was just an easy person to name as taking money from and conspiring with foreign countries. I think it's pretty evident that Israel, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc spend a lot of money on US politics and you can see the fruits of their labor. Especially the Saudis and Israelies. I thought this would just be kind of generally excepted by people who are politically concious. I'm failing to see how it's controversial to say that. What I'm saying is if both parties are engaged in this, which it's pretty clear that they are, then we need systemic change.

Trump is just a guy. When you make it all about one guy or I should say allow it to be made about one guy then we've already lost and nothing will change. This is a huge opportunity.

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2 hours ago, seanbrock said:

https://dmlnews.com/eye-opening-list-donors-clinton-foundation-list/

I mean, I guess taking money from other countries doesn't mean she did what Trump is accused of but I mean come on lol. COME ON!!!!

I wonder what a special investigator would turn up if they were investigating the Clinton Foundation. Probably nothing right? :Yao:

The Clinton Foundation HAS been investigated, and currently has an A and an A- rating on the two largest rating sites of charities. I know Faux News continues to push conspiracy theories about Hillary heading a child porn ring and using her charity as a front, but cmon. 

For a self professed left winger, you sure do the standard Trump supporter of "But Hillary!" a ton.

Also, I love the link referencing the quite thoroughly debunked Uranium One "scandal" in the first paragraph. Even Shepard Smith of Fox News debunked this one. It's just sheer right wing propaganda to continue to push this lie.

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Dawg she takes money from the Saudi Royal family. That isn't a conspiracy theory. That isn't up for debate. That's a fact. If they locked up Trump for his immensely shady dealings with them I think it would be a great victory for the American people.

 

What I'm saying is if you stop with Trump. If you make it all about Trump then we'll get another Trump eventually. I don't think campaign finance reform and election reform/security are partisian issues. We shouldn't allow them to be.

How did this happen? What are the solutions? I think we're kind of all pretty close to one another as to what we think should be done. Regardless of your political ideology, you're never going to get what you want when the system is awash with money. If you're a deficit hawk, the Republicans don't really care about the deficit. They love spending money and you know it because that's what they're told to do. If you're a democratic socialist or a Berniecrat there is a super delegate system deaigned to cut the progressive movement down at the knees. If you think Hillary's primary win over Bernie was legit idk what to say. 

This is bigger than Trump. This is bigger than Hillary because there will always be another Hillary. There will always be another Trump. Also count me in the camp that thinks she runs again in 2020. If she's smart she'll wait as long as possible to announce her candidacy. 

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No, her charity takes money from the Saudi Royal Family. (She might have as well, but money given to her charity does not go to her.) It's a worldwide charity, dude. A TON of people give it money. But yeah, let's take the word of some dude on the internet that its somehow this shady practice to accept money for your charity from anyone willing to give it, even though its been investigated and come out clean.

The Washington Post has a fact check article on Trump's campaign chair going after the Clinton Foundation. The foundation has a 93.9% grade from one of the two largest charity watchdogs, and four out of four stars from the other. There was a small period in 2015 where that was not the case, but they fixed what Charity Navigator wanted them to and were re-instated. 

Hillary's primary win over Bernie was absolutely legit. She won by several million votes, iirc. Did the DNC play fair? Not at all, they tried to rig the thing from the start. But there was no need to, she was going to win anyway. (This does not excuse them doing so, it was still a ridiculous thing to try to pull and absolutely 100% wrong. The fact that she was going to win anyway just makes it more hilarious they felt the need to try to rig the primary in the first place.)

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I never said or implied that campaign reform should begin and end ONLY with Trump. I'm not sure what I said that gives off that vibe, but if it was something I wrote, then I apologize for misleading you. 

 

Let me be clear: corruption has no place in politics no matter where it cones from. I hope everyone agrees with that. I'm just saying that we should probably focus on the person benefitting most from that corruption RIGHT NOW and work our way out from there. Rome wasn't built in a day, fellas. That's all I'm saying. 

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What I'm saying is Trump provides a lot of political capital to push for campaign finance reform. If the shit hits the fan for Trump, how do you have a platform that doesn't include that. You better if the other guy does because you gon lose. I just disagree with the strategy here. I don't want the solution to this to be a military response or continued aggression to nuclear powers. I think we have to define the end game here. I think  that's my biggest gripe.

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What kind of world do we live in that opposing sides are willing to bring forward fabricated sexual assault allegations over political differences?

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1 hour ago, BwareDWare94 said:

What kind of world do we live in that opposing sides are willing to bring forward fabricated sexual assault allegations over political differences?

What kind of world do we live in where one side immediately dismisses any claims of sexual assault against them without hearing any of the evidence and just assuming it is fabricated?

Or how about a world where one side claims that you can read 1500 pages of documents in a single night and actually understand what you're reading AND get enough sleep to hold a hearing the very next day?

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9 hours ago, BwareDWare94 said:

What kind of world do we live in that opposing sides are willing to bring forward fabricated sexual assault allegations over political differences?

The same world where his supporters just happen to have a list of 65 women claiming "well he didn't rape me" sitting around to release the moment sexual assault allegations come forward. The sameness world where there isn't documented evidence of her talking about it years before he was nominated. The same world where false rape accusations are quite rare, but get blown up when they hey happen just to give concern to rapists like kavanaugh.

Bware, you ask why I call people dumb and i never actually responded. I call people dumb when they are dumb. You aren't a smart person. Not only that , I understand you won't change. You have that perfect combination of stupidity, selfishness, and small mindedness that turns you into a truly reprehensible person. I don't care about changing your mind because when someone is as much of a trash heap as you, their minds don't change. Go to hell.

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Your post looks like it was written by an 11 year old in an honors English class. Smart but very childish.

Idc what they have say or even make up so that this guy doesn't get confirmed. It's weird that conservatives will go to bat for a guy that wipes his ass with the bill of rights while claiming to be ones upholding the Constitution. I think Rand Paul said something for a minute before he bent the knee like the coward he is 

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2 hours ago, blotsfan said:

The same world where his supporters just happen to have a list of 65 women claiming "well he didn't rape me" sitting around to release the moment sexual assault allegations come forward. The sameness world where there isn't documented evidence of her talking about it years before he was nominated. The same world where false rape accusations are quite rare, but get blown up when they hey happen just to give concern to rapists like kavanaugh.

Bware, you ask why I call people dumb and i never actually responded. I call people dumb when they are dumb. You aren't a smart person. Not only that , I understand you won't change. You have that perfect combination of stupidity, selfishness, and small mindedness that turns you into a truly reprehensible person. I don't care about changing your mind because when someone is as much of a trash heap as you, their minds don't change. Go to hell.

 

I have more intellectual integrity in a fingernail than you do in your entire body. At least I don't just jump on every liberal bandwagon imaginable.

I question this accusation because there are countless details lacking and because of it's timing. 

I support the nomination because it is extremely important that our supreme court isn't too liberal. Extremely important. 

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16 minutes ago, BwareDWare94 said:

 

I have more intellectual integrity in a fingernail than you do in your entire body. At least I don't just jump on every liberal bandwagon imaginable.

I question this accusation because there are countless details lacking and because of it's timing. 

 I support the nomination because it is extremely important that our supreme court isn't too liberal. Extremely important. 

You honesty don't. You just are too dumb to realize how dumb you are. I understand will claim that it is me that is the dumb one and how am I any different. That is because you genuinely aren't smart enough to understand.

The timing of the accusation is 100% because of the nomination. She didn't feel the need to come forward until she saw "holy shit, he's going to be on the Supreme Court." That doesn't change the fact that's there isn't documented evidence of her talking about it with her therapists in 2012 though."

Im glad you can admit that you don't really care that he's a rapist and just want to force any conservative through. 

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I don't believe he's a rapist, for one.

And you keep on throwing baseless personal insults at me. I'm not going to respond in kind.

We disagree. That's the extent of it for me. 

 

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1 minute ago, BwareDWare94 said:

I don't believe he's a rapist, for one.

Because?

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9 minutes ago, blotsfan said:

Because?

Because the accusation is many, many years old (she supposedly confided in no one before 2012? Right), she's not even sure which year it was, there are conflicts between what she says and her therapist's notes. Etc. 

Least of all that she's a professor. Inundated in liberal culture that would place nor confirming him over the truth

It's harder to believe than not believe it, to say the least. 

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3 minutes ago, BwareDWare94 said:

Because the accusation is many, many years old (she supposedly confided in no one before 2012? Right), she's not even sure which year it was, there are conflicts between what she says and her therapist's notes. Etc. 

So why would she talk to a therapist about it in 2012 just to make it up? She knew he'd be a Supreme Court judge and was planning this takedown 6 years in advance?

Also, nice bit of anti-intellectualism there. But no, you're a smart guy.

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17 hours ago, Thanatos said:

 

Or how about a world where one side claims that you can read 1500 pages of documents in a single night and actually understand what you're reading AND get enough sleep to hold a hearing the very next day?


Sounds like he'd fit right in... This is exactly how Congress already operates. 

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