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If we are waiting for bureaucrats to solve our problems, we are in more trouble than Than alluded to. Also, I went to the sight to sign Tulsi's thing and the site didn't work. RIP Earth.

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1 hour ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

Being that you include yourself in the "we". What have you spread beyond, probably, Facebook? I doubt it's much, but you may surprise me. Also, when proposing solutions, you really need to take into consideration the "other side".

For example, telling large CO2 emitting businesses that they need to cut those emissions isn't a solution. Obviously, that's the endgame, butt hat isn't you (general) proposing a solution. A large portion of emissions comes from generating electricity... companies have for years been working to incorporate technologies that would get them to zero or near-zero emissions for their fossil fuel power plants. Problem? It is (was) extremely expensive... to capture the carbon, you're talking about building a new facility that consumes so much power that you aren't doing a lot of good in the end.

I could be wrong, but the first natural gas power plant was just recently built down in Texas. It's being used as a test and if everything goes well, they will expand. Again.. I am pretty sure this is the first of it's kind. People are working on things, but ragers want it done immediately. Shit does not work like that. I don't trust the government to regulate cap and trade systems.... California is either about to or already has passed a bill saying their state can pull tens of millions of dollars out of their emissions cap&trade market to fund other projects. That money is supposed to go towards cutting emissions -- which California is doing but not at the rate they promised when they started the programs. The government is a dirty mistress ready to infect you with an STD. 

I really think the best solution is innovation, like NetPower's plant in Texas. Problem is, innovation takes time and money -- neither of which many activists want to contribute (of course, there are some). Of course, it doesn't help that the country is so anti-nuclear power either.

If you want to debate the existence of climate change, argue with yourself. I am not interested in that drivel or going nowhere conversation.

 

I haven't heard anything about the natural gas power plant, but that's fantastic news! Yes we need more of this. We need more funding to research grants looking into clean energy, because you're right it doesn't happen overnight. Cut some of our ridiculous military budget that we use to invade other countries for no reason and put it into something that will prevent our grandchildren from inheriting a world that is beyond repair. Hell at this point it may be our kids.

I have to disagree with you on cutting emissions. That's absolutely the solution.  Big businesses may not want to do so because it cuts into their profit margin. Tough cookies. This is a global threat at this point, if we have to enforce some sort of graduated penalty for ignoring carbon emissions, so be it. You continue to point out singular examples, and I grant you the government is far from perfect, but there is only one entity who can get businesses in the US to cap carbon emissions, and that's the government. That's why we sorely need people who will enforce what needs to be done in Washington. And history shows that the vast majority of those people are Democrats, (not that the vast majority of Democrats are those people, to be perfectly clear here: the Dems have plenty of people that are against this or only pay lip service to it). The GOP has sided against policies that would at least slow down climate change over and over again- and that is because at least half their base- being very generous here- doesn't think climate change is real. The GOP reps- nearly all of them- do not care about the long-term future of the planet, they only care about getting votes. Now there are plenty of Dems who also care about getting votes over helping the planet, but at least their way of doing so is by passing legislation that will help the planet.  

I 100% agree with you on nuclear power. We need more nuclear power. Chernobyl is a worst-case disaster caused by massive oversight and shortcuts. Three Mile Island was the worst that happened here, and all the failsafes worked fine, but its got it into the public's head that nuclear power is extraordinarily dangerous. And certainly, worst-case scenario, its far more dangerous than  a regular power plant, but regulated properly and run properly, it would be a huge step towards fixing the problem.

By "we" in this case, I mean the left, btw. I personally think the best thing that can be done for this issue is to vote people into office who will do something about it- or run for office yourself. I am doing everything I can to turn people onto Tulsi Gabbard. I have contacted her campaign directly asking them to come to Louisville and got a response back from her personally that she was absolutely interested in coming back again. 

I'm not interesting in debating the existence of climate change. As I said, there is no debate any longer between scientists on this issue.

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6 hours ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

I mean there is money in both. Fossil Fuel lobbyists have just gotten a much larger head start than the green sector. 

I think the big problem with a lot of climate  change activists is there just aren’t a lot of solutions. They can point out the problems but when it comes to fixing things, they push that responsibility off on other people. That’s not everyone, there are solutions out there but when it comes to action— both sides of the debate are weak AF. 

I think we easily have the capability of coming up with solutions and there probably already are some, I just have a hard time seeing where you can make money doing it though. I kind of like the idea of a carbon tax, which is paid in credits to people who engineer ways to manage the chemistry of the atmosphere. I feel like NATO/EU countries could hopefully concoct an agreement to pool funds as well. 

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I checked the link and it worked for me but cell phones act weird sometimes lol. What other tools do we have to make this shit happen? I don't sit on any boards of any companies or have a large amount of private wealth. I do have a vote though and I do have a right to participate in government. If your solution is to just say fuck it, it's too late, then I guess by all means, do you but idk man I guess we just have different approaches.

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Bjorn going back and hitting one of my other posts made me realize I forgot something I've been meaning to post. 

I am super frustrated that the Democrats absolutely refuse to do a post-mortem on 2016. It seems like any time anyone dares criticize Hillary from the left, the Dems jump to her defense. Their analysis has basically been "these people were racist" full stop. That's how you lose again in 2020 if you refuse to even consider your campaign to have been run poorly and for what reasons that happened.

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8 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Bjorn going back and hitting one of my other posts made me realize I forgot something I've been meaning to post. 

I am super frustrated that the Democrats absolutely refuse to do a post-mortem on 2016. It seems like any time anyone dares criticize Hillary from the left, the Dems jump to her defense. Their analysis has basically been "these people were racist" full stop. That's how you lose again in 2020 if you refuse to even consider your campaign to have been run poorly and for what reasons that happened.

The reason is that the party is controlled by money and not it's actual constituents. They know that if they move to the left that their corporate cash flow will dry up. They're trying to stack the deck for Clintonite centrists all over the country and we've already seen it early in the primary process. As a result the Democrats function as a party of controlled opposition. 

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17 hours ago, seanbrock said:

I checked the link and it worked for me but cell phones act weird sometimes lol. What other tools do we have to make this shit happen? I don't sit on any boards of any companies or have a large amount of private wealth. I do have a vote though and I do have a right to participate in government. If your solution is to just say fuck it, it's too late, then I guess by all means, do you but idk man I guess we just have different approaches.

I never said fuck it. I liked your angle of going to people and asking about clean water, for example. I’m a huge supporter of clean water and just getting water to people who otherwise don’t have the means. I don’t have a lot of money, but I give what I can within reason to multiple charities and causes that I just kind of rotate through every month. Many of those are environment-minded.

As individuals, we have to make a difference in our own lives before we can start demanding mass change in industry, and then expecting it to change overnight just isn’t practical. 

It is an important issue. If it was possible to snap my fingers, Thanks-style, and change all industry to near zero emissions I would and o think 99% of these companies would too.

Unfortunately, we have to understand that (depending on the business / industry) its a serious financial and time commitment to completely change how they do things to capture that created carbon. 

It’s easy for me to sit here and yell at them to do it but change usually doesn’t happen like that. 

We need more and faster innovation and as individuals we need to take responsibility. After that industry has no choice but to comply and it will be a lot easier easier to pull off financially as well. 

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Yeah idk man I just think that while you and I don't have a lot to give to charity, the federal government can put A LOT towards that without even spending extra money if the Pentagon audits were taken remotely seriously and we could get real cuts to the military budget. I think a real simple way would be to stop selling weapons and put those people to work creating a green infrastructure instead of building bombs. I think it would make us and our allies a lot safer too. 

There's no doubt that people have individual responsibility and need to make personal changes too but sometimes it's hard to be able to afford to make those changes or maybe even just the knowledge of what actions are available and why they're important. We can't make that an excuse for inaction imo. That's a big mistake.

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1 hour ago, seanbrock said:

Yeah idk man I just think that while you and I don't have a lot to give to charity, the federal government can put A LOT towards that without even spending extra money if the Pentagon audits were taken remotely seriously and we could get real cuts to the military budget. I think a real simple way would be to stop selling weapons and put those people to work creating a green infrastructure instead of building bombs. I think it would make us and our allies a lot safer too. 

There's no doubt that people have individual responsibility and need to make personal changes too but sometimes it's hard to be able to afford to make those changes or maybe even just the knowledge of what actions are available and why they're important. We can't make that an excuse for inaction imo. That's a big mistake.

No doubt, there are easy ways we could do things like that. As you stated, our military budget has ballooned far beyond our actual practical needs. There is so much money there that we could take and divert to that green infrastructure and get really aggressive with innovation. And it isn't just the military, the government and fiscal responsibility don't really go together that well. So, I am not saying you're wrong at all. Like I said before though, I don't think we can sit around and demand the government to do anything. I don't trust them at all to do anything, really. lol. They're great at taking our money, not so great at spending it. 

The millennial generation is the most giving, in time and money, of any generation before it. They / we have changed the face of philanthropy. That needs to keep up, because unlike all those old geezers I think millennials and even maybe early Z'ers can really change the world (at least here in the US) and plethora of systematic failures and obstacles the system faces in getting things done. That doesn't happen by top to bottom.

Just when it comes down to it.. Forcing the change at top and hoping everyone at the bottom follows suit reminds me of force-feeding poor people trickle down economics, lol. Obviously very different things, that is just what comes to mind. I just think it's coming from a point of weakness to go in hot and expect/force these companies to change. Don't get me wrong... They SHOULD. And I think they will, in time. But you're gonna get way more fight out of them and their attorneys and their lobbyists right now as opposed to building a grass roots movement to spread these fundamental changes in our culture. They're just gonna slow that shit down to a crawl and drag it out until so many individuals are participating that change doesn't even need to be forced. And even if some still want fight it, they will be swept away by free market because the masses will no longer follow them. 

There are a ton of even small differences you can make in your life that can make a pretty big impact. And then you spreading those things to your friends and family and then they spread it to theirs, etc... Things like buying more fuel efficient vehicles (I still don't think technology is at a point where we can expect everyone to go electric). Or even smaller, stop using plastic bottles and straws. Like I said, I just don't think there is enough action from individuals yet. Once we get there, changing the top will be so much easier.

There are a lot of people out there who care about the environment, sure. But I still don't think it's enough. A lot of people talk about it, but they refuse to act on it. Even though it may seem counter-intuitive... I really think the most efficient and fastest way to achieve our goals is to start local, get more people involved in different projects, etc. Right now climate and environmental debates just devolve into pointless squabbling. It gets to the point that it doesn't even matter who is right or wrong, because everyone is using their energy to fight a war of words.

 

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17 hours ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

Trump is sending another 1,000 troops to the Middle East. *sigh*.

Unfortunately many of the people who would be protesting the wars are too busy working their second and third jobs. 

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/22/trump_everybody_said_i_was_a_warmonger_now_im_a_dove_because_i_oppose_killing_high_quality_iranians.html

There are a lot of supposed liberals who are war mongering HARD and we're being saved by Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump. This is like something out of a movie. It's really hard to believe.

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So can we agree that Trump should be impeached over killing the Epstein investigation? At the very least I want this investigated. Lock everyone up that was involved. We can get behind this right? 

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I don't know the exact details of that. But shit definitely needs to be investigated. Epstein loved him some Trump and Billy Boy. Both need to be looked at and cleared (or not) of their connections with him. Idk if the same holds true for Trump but in the height of his sex trafficking, Bill Clinton flew out to Epstein's private island dozens of times. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but come on... Should be a bipartisan effort to seek the truth.

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Lmao. Trump went on twitter and told four congresswomen of color- three of whom are born in the US- to go back to where they came from and fix their own countries before complaining about the US.

My manager in 2017 was fired for telling an Asian dude to go back where he came from.

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This election is going to be awesome. There is actually a candidate I can vote for this time. Tulsi is the only one I would even consider, the rest are dumbasses or just bad people. 

That cory Booker and his Spanish lol, with your fake bitch ass.

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13 hours ago, Omerta said:

This election is going to be awesome. There is actually a candidate I can vote for this time. Tulsi is the only one I would even consider, the rest are dumbasses or just bad people. 

That cory Booker and his Spanish lol, with your fake bitch ass.

Tulsi or anyone that will threaten the flow of corporate bribe money will be cheated by the DNC because as it turns out they're not legally required to run a fair primary Tulsi will have to run 3rd party to win but I definitely encourage you to at least temporarily switch registration to Democrat so you can vote for her in the primary and put the pressure on those bastards. The Democratic party is fucking trash and we need to blow it up and start over. 

I know some of you aren't Bernie fans but how is it that he has a million volunteers, 18 million in individual donations and has rallys with thousands of people wherever he goes but he's second to fucking Joe Biden? Lol the polls are being rigged so that people will accept it when the primary is rigged.

I won't vote for Trump at this point. He's just too awful but I won't vote for the Democrats to keep fracking and to keep deregulating/consolidating power further into the hands of the 1%. I'm most likely voting Green Party. 

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So all the pollsters are in on it too?

Which is more likely: All the polls are being rigged by the Democrats, or people are stupid and will support Joe Biden over someone who will actually bring some much needed change. Occam's Razor, dude.

Voting third party is not an option, IMO, you are helping to give the SC to the GOP for the foreseeable future. We do our best to get a progressive nominated, but if I have to vote for Biden to get Trump out of office, so be it. The long-term implications of this election- the census and the SC- are too damn important to this country. Allowing the GOP to remain in power for four more years is unconscionable.

At least vote Democrat for your Senators and reps up for re-election, even if you wont support some of them against Trump.

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Yeah, it all mostly name recognition and sound bytes right now. Joe Biden is running off that Obama Nostalgia -- I don't think it holds til the end, but who knows. Andrew Yang had a pretty huge gathering in Portland a few days ago. Way bigger crowd than you would assume for somebody polling at like 2%.  Polls can be deceiving, but it doesn't mean they are rigged directly. Maybe indirectly if they target only certain demographics or really specific areas of the country. Not even saying that happens, just saying that seems more practical at the very least. 

Also, I'm totally fine going third party again. I am not voting for a candidate who is exactly like Trump minus the dumb things he does and says on Twitter... If those are the hairs we're splitting, it doesn't even matter anymore. And unfortunately, I think the Supreme Court is already pretty much lost if you are looking for more progressives. Not accounting for unexpected deaths, really the only two I see dying / retiring are RBG (86) and Breyer (80). MAYBE Clarence Thomas (71). But if a democrat wins I could easily see him make it another 4 years to try and hold out for another (potential) GOP nomination. So yeah, Dems have no chance to flip the court, they just need to pray they win the election to keep the 5-4 minority. If not, yikes. lol.

The real time to strike will probably be in 8-12  years when you are looking at Thomas and Alito being gone for almost sure and Roberts creeping up there hardcore. If Trump wins this election and just for arguments sake gets 2 picks.. yeah, it's gonna be a super heavy GOP SC rule .. but only guaranteed for a few years and, as I mentioned before, we are probably getting that anyway. If Trump loses this election... and dems win the 2024 re-elections... More than likely we're probably looking at either a dog fight or another GOP president in 2028 when the potential for flipping happens and you have those GOP Justices start to fall away. If we get Trump in 2020.. I would almost guarantee a Dem takes it in 2024 then you get a very likely re-election in 2028 as an incumbant. That's probably the path for more progressive judges. 

Sure, I understand the argument that you want to replace the old Dems with new ones, but that still not shifting the scale -- especially if the GOP controls the white house in 2024/2028 when those GOP Justices start dying. Progressives need flipped seats, the retention (almost) doesn't even matter when you are looking at it as 2 dem justices in the next few years compared to 3 GOP justices in the next decade+. 

Honestly, if your argument is to save the SC... You might just want Trump to win in 2020. Then again, to counter my own argument... If Trump wins in 2020, he may be able to convince Thomas to retire midway through the term (2022) to secure that seat. But even in that case... Everything just comes out as a wash and Dems are still the likely minority on the SC through 2030+

 

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That's what I mean, i don't think they can flip it but it can't get to 6-3.

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On 7/16/2019 at 1:34 PM, Thanatos said:

So all the pollsters are in on it too?

Which is more likely: All the polls are being rigged by the Democrats, or people are stupid and will support Joe Biden over someone who will actually bring some much needed change. Occam's Razor, dude.

Voting third party is not an option, IMO, you are helping to give the SC to the GOP for the foreseeable future. We do our best to get a progressive nominated, but if I have to vote for Biden to get Trump out of office, so be it. The long-term implications of this election- the census and the SC- are too damn important to this country. Allowing the GOP to remain in power for four more years is unconscionable.

At least vote Democrat for your Senators and reps up for re-election, even if you wont support some of them against Trump.

Why is it crazy to think the pollsters are in on it? Bernie Sanders has the biggest grass roots campaign in the history of the country. Think about that. Every single democratic presidential campaign is either some bastardized version of Sanders' platform or they're running to oppose his platform of democratic socialism. Bernie Sanders has pretty much single handedly changed the conversation on a lot  of issues like health care, minimum wage, student loan debt and more. They've been smearing the man 24/7 for 3 years for a reason lol. They've been scrambling trying to throw their weight behind like 5 candidates and haven't found one that would legitimately challenge him and they're all falling flat on their face. Say what you want about Sanders but him and Trump are the most popular political figures in the country and the only one that comes close is AOC who wouldn't even be in Congress if it weren't for Bernie Sanders. 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/05/tyts_john_iadarola_cnn_poll_showing_biden_in_the_lead_sample_statistically_insignificant_number_of_voters_under_50.html

 

You're nuts if you think it's only CNN rigging polls. 

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Lmao @ the idea that Bernie is just so good everyone has to rig everything against him.

Seriously need to get off your conspiracy sites man.

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22 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Lmao @ the idea that Bernie is just so good everyone has to rig everything against him.

Seriously need to get off your conspiracy sites man.

There's proof that things are being rigged against Bernie lol. It's not a conspiracy "theory", it's a fact. We just don't know exactly how pervasive it is. As for the polls, we know that it's been proven that polls are being sampled from audiences that are biased against Sanders. I literally just posted that. Tulsi Gabbard, Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren have all been on record saying Bernie was cheated in 2016. Gabbard and Brazile were both very high up in the DNC, confirming btw what WikiLeaks had already proven.

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That’s what I was just going to ask actually. I was wondering if you were talking more 2016 while Than was thinking  more currently.

You’re absolutely right about 2016. The nomination was stolen from him / for Hillary. The DNC has been planing that Clinton power play for yearsssss. 

Is that still a problem today though? I mean, I will read any facts you have that say otherwise but I don’t think it is.

A combination of more progressive candidates in the pool plus Bernie’s willingness kneel to the establishment in 2016 makes him considerably less desirable. If Bernie can’t / won’t even challenge the DNC for being crooks and cheats .... why should I expect him to stand up for me when he is in the White House? Frankly, I don’t.

Plus, doesn’t it feel that overall he just has less steam ? Maybe that all changes as we whittle away at the candidates ... but I think Warren has stolen a lot of Bernie’s mojo . Regardless of your opinions of her, she’s playing to a lot of the same crowd as Bernie and she’s probably not exiting anytime soon. 

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@DalaiLama4Ever They pollsters are rigging their sampling towards older voters right now. They ask shit to Bernie & Tulsi like "Why do you hate America?" On the debate stage and the rest of the field gets soft balls like "How will you stand up to Trump?" Obviously I just made those examples up but you get my point. We haven't had any primaries yet but that call in voting thing is pretty suspicious to me and I'm fully expected them to remove voters from registration in the closed primary states and just flat out throw out votes like they did in 2016

Oh and I saw that this morning. Lol Wonder if that's the only thing Warren got in advance...

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