Trump Regime thread.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Easy for you to say that's good @JD. Women aren't the only ones who suffer. It's the children as well. I grew up in poverty. I grew up with that shit. I bet if you came up like I did you might have a little more compassion. I'm not necessarily against cutting spending, definitely for reducing wasteful spending but everybody in this country has benefitted from socialism. We need a balance of socialism and capitalism. Would you cut VA spending too? My grandfather wouldn't be able to afford to live. We'd be forced to put him in a home and everybody in my family works.

 

Instead of cutting funding, can't we meet half way and work on some of these programs to make them less corrupt so that people get the money and not the government.

 

In good news, Trump's president is successful already because he got rid of TPP. Yes it's that important. Take the bad with the good.

Edited January 24, 2017 by seanbrock

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

I guess I didn't mention the corruption that left Bernie off the ticket and out of office, but I felt like that went without saying.

[blotsfan 2,112]

 

I generally agree with you and respect your opinion, but I'm getting tired of you spewing extremist left shit, man. This rhetoric is tired and ridiculous. Your pussy party lost because it decided to play this PC card repeatedly rather than attacking him on the actual issues. Y'know, the type of shit you bitch at Fox News for?

 

I don't think supporting funding programs to help prevent sexual assault is an extreme left issue. Yes, the democratic party put up a weak candidate (and not my number 1 choice, mind you) and made many mistakes in the election, but that doesn't absolve trump of a thing. There was plenty of policy talk attempted during the campaign, but the only thing the media focused on was emails and benghazi out of a desire to legitimize trump for the sake of a compelling election for ratings.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Easy for you to say that's good @JD. Women aren't the only ones who suffer. It's the children as well. I grew up in poverty. I grew up with that shit. I bet if you came up like I did you might have a little more compassion. I'm not necessarily against cutting spending, definitely for reducing wasteful spending but everybody in this country has benefitted from socialism. We need a balance of socialism and capitalism. Would you cut VA spending too? My grandfather wouldn't be able to afford to live. We'd be forced to put him in a home and everybody in my family works.

 

Instead of cutting funding, can't we meet half way and work on some of these programs to make them less corrupt so that people get the money and not the government.

 

In good news, Trump's president is successful already because he got rid of TPP. Yes it's that important. Take the bad with the good.

 

VAWA isn't only for women and children. And what kind of VA funding? Generally I support such things as there are so many other worthless government agencies / programs / employees / grants to cut off, but I suppose digging deep enough you could find something to cut in VA affairs. Wouldn't recommend anything off the top of my head though.

 

Also, Al Baghdadi was reportedly critically injured in an airstrike.

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

I don't think supporting funding programs to help prevent sexual assault is an extreme left issue. Yes, the democratic party put up a weak candidate (and not my number 1 choice, mind you) and made many mistakes in the election, but that doesn't absolve trump of a thing. There was plenty of policy talk attempted during the campaign, but the only thing the media focused on was emails and benghazi out of a desire to legitimize trump for the sake of a compelling election for ratings.

I bolded what I was referring to and you knew exactly what I meant.

 

And no, they barely touched on policy and focused solely on the bullshit "sexual assault" angle that you've espoused and what a terrible person he is. Sure, he's a self-serving dumbfuck, but nobody voting for him was interested in that. They wanted to blow up the establishment, which was BERNIE'S MESSAGE ALSO. The Republicans and Democrats are so fucking moronic that they didn't want the exact narrative that was going to win the election. The difference is that Trump got the ticket and Bernie was actively prevented from doing so.

[blotsfan 2,112]

Also, Al Baghdadi was reportedly critically injured in an airstrike.

 

Favre, you wouldn't give the president credit for a combat operation going well would you? I know your thoughts on the subject...

 

(yes this is petty and not really relevant I just found it funny)

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

 

Favre, you wouldn't give the president credit for a combat operation going well would you? I know your thoughts on the subject...

 

(yes this is petty and not really relevant I just found it funny)

 

I didn't say anything about it one way or another. Lol. I don't like airstrikes. You don't even need to go back that far to discover that. I almost feel bad on how much time you wasted doing that.

[blotsfan 2,112]

I bolded what I was referring to and you knew exactly what I meant.

 

And no, they barely touched on policy and focused solely on the bullshit "sexual assault" angle that you've espoused and what a terrible person he is. Sure, he's a self-serving dumbfuck, but nobody voting for him was interested in that. They wanted to blow up the establishment, which was BERNIE'S MESSAGE ALSO. The Republicans and Democrats are so fucking moronic that they didn't want the exact narrative that was going to win the election. The difference is that Trump got the ticket and Bernie was actively prevented from doing so.

 

Saying that there is video of trump admitting to sexual assault is also not an extreme-left position. It is a (non-alternate) fact.

 

And rewatch the debates if you'd like. There was a lot of policy objectives stated by Hillary. Yeah, she used the negative campaigns because that is generally an effective strategy and they clearly worked in this election for Trump. In hindsight it was not the right decision, but there was no way they could know that at the time. I'm not even sure if a purely policy-focused campaign would've worked either.

 

Regardless, now that he is the president, he is going to be making decisions that impact the lives of people around the world. I'm going to call him out on the stuff he does. However, you are right in that I shouldn't dismiss people immediately when seriously talking about policy like I did to Favre before.

 

I didn't say anything about it one way or another. Lol. I don't like airstrikes. You don't even need to go back that far to discover that. I almost feel bad on how much time you wasted doing that.

 

Don't you worry, it wasn't even 5 minutes.

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

Saying that there is video of trump admitting to sexual assault is also not an extreme-left position. It is a (non-alternate) fact.

 

And rewatch the debates if you'd like. There was a lot of policy objectives stated by Hillary. Yeah, she used the negative campaigns because that is generally an effective strategy and they clearly worked in this election for Trump. In hindsight it was not the right decision, but there was no way they could know that at the time. I'm not even sure if a purely policy-focused campaign would've worked either.

 

Regardless, now that he is the president, he is going to be making decisions that impact the lives of people around the world. I'm going to call him out on the stuff he does. However, you are right in that I shouldn't dismiss people immediately when seriously talking about policy like I did to Favre before.

Yeah, posting the video means nothing because it's what we've been referring to from the start. You view it as an admission of sexual assault. I contend that reality/Occam's Razor/logic are correct in viewing the comments as an intended joke.

 

I watched the debates. She hit on policy far less than she wanted to push the "scumbag" narrative, which is parallel to the majority of media coverage. The entire Dem position was to attack his character and antics rather than the real perceived difference in effectiveness.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Don't you worry, it wasn't even 5 minutes.

 

 

You should add me on Facebook, would have taken you 30 seconds. Just trying to help

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

Some of us have been here long enough that we know you were once protective of "Jeramie"

[blotsfan 2,112]

Yeah, posting the video means nothing because it's what we've been referring to from the start. You view it as an admission of sexual assault. I contend that reality/Occam's Razor/logic are correct in viewing the comments as an intended joke.

 

Then I would like to ask you in all seriousness, even when multiple women came out after the video and said that they had been groped by him in a similar manner, even when they knew it would open them up to plenty of harassment and it was too late to sue him, why do you still give him the benefit of the doubt? When he has been accused of rape multiple times before, you still give him the benefit of the doubt? When he has effectively admitted to it before, using the excuse that it can't be rape if it was his wife, why do you still give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

If you weren't aware of all that, then I could see your point. But know that you are, I would argue that still thinking that he didn't do it after all of that would be a sign of rape culture. While that's probably more of a discussion for another thread, I think its worth thinking about.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Some of us have been here long enough that we know you were once protective of "Jeramie"

 

That's irrelevant. I sent him a Friend Request months ago and told him who I was.. Not an excuse. Lol

[blotsfan 2,112]

 

That's irrelevant. I sent him a Friend Request months ago and told him who I was.. Not an excuse. Lol

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

 

Then I would like to ask you in all seriousness, even when multiple women came out after the video and said that they had been groped by him in a similar manner, even when they knew it would open them up to plenty of harassment and it was too late to sue him, why do you still give him the benefit of the doubt? When he has been accused of rape multiple times before, you still give him the benefit of the doubt? When he has effectively admitted to it before, using the excuse that it can't be rape if it was his wife, why do you still give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

If you weren't aware of all that, then I could see your point. But know that you are, I would argue that still thinking that he didn't do it after all of that would be a sign of rape culture. While that's probably more of a discussion for another thread, I think its worth thinking about.

 

I'll say that I have heard the rhetoric, but dismissed it in the same way I dismissed the Bush leak. "Rape culture" is a trigger phrase for me, please don't mention it further or I'll be forced to take drastic measures.

 

 

 

That's irrelevant. I sent him a Friend Request months ago and told him who I was.. Not an excuse. Lol

 

Well wtf. I've never been his friend,

[seanbrock 1,684]

To the DNC they DID win though. They raised a shit load of money. That's the problem with money in politics. That's why they haven't changed their formula. They know that they're going to continue to raise boat loads of cash in up coming elections and will get their seats back because of how deeply unpopular Trump is. They'll likely even get the presidency back if they keep hammering the narrative that Trump is a hypocritical scum bag and it doesn't even matter who they run. Bringing in new leadership would have killed their ability to raise money from their donors/line their pockets.

 

The only thing liberals can do is vote Green Party if they ever wants a president that represents their ideals.

[Cherry 1,302]

Blots don't get me wrong I'm not in any way saying sexual assault is acceptable. That said, I don't think 25 government funded programs is the answer to sexual assault. That comes from independent movements and groups founded by citizens.

 

Zack hit the nail on the head. The entire opposition to Trump was based more around the fact he's a scumbag, and not the actual policies he proposes. There's certainly more than enough material to slam him on from a policy standpoint, like the ridiculous idea of building a wall or his push for protectionism to deal with China.

 

Nobody who voted for Trump gives a fuck whether or not he's a piece of shit, they give a fuck about if he gets things done or not. So far? He's eliminated TPP, proposed massive cuts & a federal hiring freeze, started to work with Russia to form a coalition and go after ISIS, and is already working to eliminate Obamacare. That's a fucking HUGE leap to take in under a week. If he actually follows through on shit like trying to get an amendment to limit congressional term limits passed I would be shocked if he isn't already going down as one of the more influential presidents in US history.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Yeah, Trump froze all scientific grants. Because hahaha fuck science am I right? What a bunch of fucking nerds, needing money from the government.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Exactly. Cutting spending isn't always a positive. I'm all for cutting corporate Welfare for things except airlines, amtrac,etc. I'd even be for cutting science only if it's for pharma to research their drugs. I'm for cutting military spending too. I think if we did all that we could put that money into infastructure and education (which are actually an investments).

 

I'll say this though. Getting rid of TPP makes him better than Obama and it's inside the first week since he took office.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Trump continues to push the lie- that is easily proven false- that millions of illegals voted on Nov. 8th and that that is the reason why he lost the popular vote. Between that and the "alternative facts" fiasco, it's clear that his notorious thin skin will continue while he is in the White House. What's more, he apparently is going to be allowed to lie without having to put forward any evidence for his position, it will merely be his "alternative facts." It's sad that a grown man- of 70 years old, no less- can't face reality unless reality happens to tell him he's number 1. It's like dealing with a 12-year old with a huge ego.

 

However, if he does believe millions of illegals voted, contrary to all proven facts on voter fraud- and since clearly no one cares that he lies through his teeth or twitter feed with every other word he says- the question now becomes, what will he do? Will he try to push through a bunch of laws to prevent illegals from voting? Again, not a problem that has any basis in reality, just inside Trump's own head, because clearly he can't come second in anything, inauguration audiences, or popular vote numbers.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Thanatos

[blotsfan 2,112]

Will he try to push through a bunch of laws to prevent illegals from voting?

Yes, and they'll have the "unintended" side effect of disenfranchising black people too.

[Thanatos 2,847]

No no blots, black people love Trump. He's gonna fix the inner cities for them.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Trump is a one term president. The amount of people who will turn out to vote against him in 2020 will be staggering. At least he scrapped TPP. I don't know if I can express to you all just how important repealing that deal was. It would have given up the sovereignty of every country involved in the deal to corporations and lawyers by allowing them to sue if say there were laws preventing fracking in your area because it destroys water supplies for millions for a loss of profit.It would help make our prescription drugs even more expensive with crazy patent laws. It attacks our privacy even more than it has been attacked over the last decade plus. It would create millions of lost jobs in the US and drive wages down further and it stops the FDA from trying to make our food safe (not that they do a good job as is but better than nothing). That's just WHAT WE KNOW because of most of the deal is secret. There are a lot of provisions that have nothing to do with trade in this deal. People keep posting meme's on Facebook about our society becoming like 1984 but Trump just saved us from taking a huge step in that direction. This is the most important action taken by a president in decades. Him doing this makes his presidency at least tolerable from my stand point.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Sean, while I agree the TPP is bad news, I'm gonna need some sources on the amount of shit you just claimed the TPP would do.

[seanbrock 1,684]

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18695/TPP_Free-Trade_Globalization_Obama

 

The author of this article seems to have a good deal of credibility. He also gives his sources.