Wow a thread about the Saints I didn't start
So just a few things, I know the Saints have gotten rid of some of the defensive staff and special teams staff, I know Dennis Allen was retained as DC and Mike Nolan brought in to be LB coach and I think Asst. HC. Those are some changes defensive wise that have been made.
As some have said Saints have missed on defensive draft picks a lot since the Payton/Loomis era started. When they brought in Jeff Ireland as head scout those picks have gotten somewhat better but still not good enough.
I read every post in this thread so far, and I tried to understand what JD was saying but I do want to ask when you were saying he throws more to his RB's (which in case I think if any QB had a Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles to throw to they would), but how many times were those RB's actually split out wide as a wide receiver? The Saints are notorious for splitting both TE's and RB's out wide. Yes he does throw a lot of screens as well but I know both Sproles and Bush lined up at WR a lot for the Saints. Hell Graham wanted WR money because he lined up more at receiver than TE.
As for air yards and 700 passes in a season, again, go back to the defense, when you are constantly behind you throw more to try to get back in the game. During their super bowl year Brees didn't have his (as now) customary 5000 yards in a season because they rarely had to play catch up. They had a complimentary defense and a balanced offense because of it.
And as for dumping off passes, Brees does have more 20+ yard completions as well 40+ yard completions than both Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. and Aaron Rodgers in a career. (according to NFL.com stats anyway)
Would I put him best QB ever? no, I think Tom pretty much solidified that last night.
Would I put him ahead of Montana or Manning? No unless he wins the next 3 super bowls then yes.
Ahead of Favre? Well within the next 2 years earliest he might break his records.
Anyways that is my two cents on it. I know I am more defensive on the subject since I am a Saints fan and Brees is my QB.
Edited by Eefluxx, 06 February 2017 - 09:15 AM.