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The threat of global warming is not as bad as previously thought, climate scientists admitted yesterday.

Warnings made in 2015 at the Paris Climate Change Conference had been too pessimistic, they said.

These were based on projections that suggested nations had already produced too much greenhouse gas to limit global warming to between 2C and 1.5C above 19th-century levels.

This meant drastic and urgent cuts would have to be made in greenhouse gases to stop a climate catastrophe.

But yesterday academics admitted that they had been wrong – and we have a longer time frame to reduce the amount of fossil fuels we burn.

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4897566/Fear-global-warming-exaggerated-say-scientists.html

 

They say it's still something to work on but that it isn't nearly the threat it is made out to be. Also say that the American reaction to Trump pulling out of the Paris Accord is laughable because the impact will be nearly 0.

 

Although... Most of you probably already knew that a lot of "global warming" was fear-mongering at its finest. I still like how the media casually went away from global warming as the term and made it climate change (like it should have been anyway).

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"Climate change" sounds so much nicer than "global warming" though! It's the same reason "shell shock" became "post-traumatic stress disorder."

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Nothing in this article suggests what you claim it does.

 

It merely states that we may have been wrong on how much time we have to fix the problem, because of the drastic cuts in CO2 due to a "revolution in solar power" in China. Nothing suggests its not as much of a threat if we fail to fix the problem.

 

None of this suggests it is "fearmongering at its finest."

 

All of this is not addressing the fact that the Daily Mail is, at best, the Fox News of Great Britain, and at worst, far-right propaganda.

 

Doesn't mean what they're saying in this instance is misleading, necessarily, but I'd certainly want a few more reputable sources to back them up and more than one person or even group of people saying this.

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The Earth goes in its own natural cycles. We can be self aware, and we should be, but the temperatures will drop again at some point. We're not making it hotter. We didn't cause these hurricanes. We didn't cause these wildfires (collectively we didn't cause them but IIRC, most wildfires are arson).

 

The claims made about us causing these weather patterns is fear mongering at its finest. Also, I would kill for a Bernie Sanders type to, you know, actually provide a fucking source once in awhile.

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The claims made about us causing these weather patterns is fear mongering at its finest. Also, I would kill for a Bernie Sanders type to, you know, actually provide a fucking source once in awhile.

That's one of the dumber things you've ever said and that's saying something.

 

Since you've somehow completely avoided sources, go here and scroll to the "references" section.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

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Even if global warming is total bullshit, which it isn't, don't you want clean air, clean water? Wouldn't it be MUCH MORE cost effective to eventually have renewable energy? Isn't it worth the investment to save money down the road when we're going to have a lot less jobs, a smaller tax base etc etc? The Global Warming debate is just soooooo fucking dumb. Unfortunately this and social justice issues are the only liberal issues that seem to be allowed to be discussed in the major media. Hey guys, want to debate abortion again next?

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Even if global warming is total bullshit, which it isn't, don't you want clean air, clean water? Wouldn't it be MUCH MORE cost effective to eventually have renewable energy? Isn't it worth the investment to save money down the road when we're going to have a lot less jobs, a smaller tax base etc etc? The Global Warming debate is just soooooo fucking dumb. Unfortunately this and social justice issues are the only liberal issues that seem to be allowed to be discussed in the major media. Hey guys, want to debate abortion again next?

 

I agree to a point. Even if it is a lie, what is the real consequence here? Having a better planet? If that has to be achieved through a lie then so be it.

 

That said global warming/climate change tend to happen without us, and in much greater swings. The existence of Titanaboa in the fossil record along with other empirical data point to the fact that the earth at one point was much hotter, than much cooler, and so on and so forth. I think were people are getting irritated when they are saying we are reaching a point of no return, which is patently false. The earth has done this and came back several times before. Volcanos do more damage to the ice caps than human activity.

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The biggest myth of climate change is that we can actually control it.

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The biggest myth of climate change is that we can actually control it.

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The Earth goes in its own natural cycles. We can be self aware, and we should be, but the temperatures will drop again at some point. We're not making it hotter. We didn't cause these hurricanes. We didn't cause these wildfires (collectively we didn't cause them but IIRC, most wildfires are arson).

 

The claims made about us causing these weather patterns is fear mongering at its finest. Also, I would kill for a Bernie Sanders type to, you know, actually provide a fucking source once in awhile.

 

 

Actually, it makes all the sense in the world that climate change causes more hurricanes. Hurricanes are formed and get stronger over warm water.

 

It's simple logic really. The Great Barrier Reef is dying, in large part, due to water that is warming up fast enough that its killing the coral. Climate change is causing the oceans to get warmer. Warmer oceans = warmer water = more and stronger hurricanes.

 

The "Earth has natural cycles" argument, or the "climate change happens without us and in much greater swings" as Ngata put it, is simply misleading; or in the latter case, completely false. Yes, there are natural cycles, and yes there are swings but they don't have the comparatively massive spike in global temperature we've seen over the last fifty years.

 

The point here is a rapid increase over recent history that has not, in fact, been duplicated in the past. Yes, Earth has gone through cooling and warming cycles, but they were over a much longer period of time.

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Actually, it makes all the sense in the world that climate change causes more hurricanes. Hurricanes are formed and get stronger over warm water.

 

It's simple logic really. The Great Barrier Reef is dying, in large part, due to water that is warming up fast enough that its killing the coral. Climate change is causing the oceans to get warmer. Warmer oceans = warmer water = more and stronger hurricanes.

 

The "Earth has natural cycles" argument, or the "climate change happens without us and in much greater swings" as Ngata put it, is simply misleading; or in the latter case, completely false. Yes, there are natural cycles, and yes there are swings but they don't have the comparatively massive spike in global temperature we've seen over the last fifty years.

 

The point here is a rapid increase over recent history that has not, in fact, been duplicated in the past. Yes, Earth has gone through cooling and warming cycles, but they were over a much longer period of time.

 

False, your thing just does not go back far enough. The earth has spiked over 10 degrees in roughly the same period before. Your illustration only tells a half truth. The earth has done this before and will again.

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Thanatos employing logical fallacies to try and prove his point. The Blots defense isn't a strong one.

http://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/harvey-and-irma-cant-be-blamed-climate-change

 

There's only one small problem with such accusations. Man-made warming did not cause Harvey and Irma. As carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions have increased, there have been no trends in global tropical cycle landfalls. Before Harvey and Irma, with a little bit of luck, the United States was in a 12-year hurricane drought. More importantly, the average number of hurricanes per decade reaching landfall in the U.S. has fallen over the past 160 years.

This comes not via "denier data," but from mainstream science. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported in its most recent scientific assessment that "(n)o robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes, and major hurricanes ... have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin," and that there are "no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency."

According to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, "It is premature to conclude that human activities – and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming – have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity."

 

 

Apparently science is only real if it helps your point.

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heritage.org

 

Imma take a guess on this one:

 

The Heritage Foundation (abbreviated to Heritage) is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.

I'm so totally shocked.

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heritage.org

 

Imma take a guess on this one:

 

 

I'm so totally shocked.

Sources and information within that article come from scientific groups (as I posted). If you want to discredit them, that's fine but I'd like you to do so instead of trying to discredit the vehicle for the information.

 

Acting like science doesn't exist because you don't like the medium it's expressed is hilarious.

 

1. There is widespread support for the IPCC in the scientific community, which is reflected in publications by other scientific bodies[40][61][71] and experts.[103

 

2. Per Nixon, the creation of the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration was to "... better protection of life and property from natural hazards…for a better understanding of the total environment…[and] for exploration and development leading to the intelligent use of our marine resources." . They also run departments like the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research and the National Weather Service

 

Seem like pretty legit sources to me...Again, I would love to read a response discrediting them, so feel free. Lol

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Oh you mean where literally none of the sources cited by that rag say anything close to this:

The biggest myth of climate change is that we can actually control it.


All the sources say is that these hurricanes are plausible regardless of climate change. Which is obviously true and no one denies. They don't say anything to the contrary of "warmer oceans mean more hurricanes."

 

That article just takes what real scientists have said and takes it out of context to promote their viewpoint.

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So saying global warming is causing these hurricanes is... premature. Just like the sources said. Thank you for confirming my post while also disagreeing with it in your own oddly bizarre way.

Thank You Professor.

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Oh you mean where literally none of the sources cited by that rag say anything close to this:

 

All the sources say is that these hurricanes are plausible regardless of climate change. Which is obviously true and no one denies. They don't say anything to the contrary of "warmer oceans mean more hurricanes."

 

That article just takes what real scientists have said and takes it out of context to promote their viewpoint.

 

Forget about climate change, here is a question that has dogged people for years. What is an unbiased source? What does it look like? For a long time I just went with research done by colleges and that was peer reviewed, the problem becomes that now colleges are starting to have political affiliations. Their budget depends on it.

 

You obviously cant trust investigative journalism, because our media is bought and paid for.

 

So saying something like, we must discredit this source because it is biased is something we should consider, that said, we then must discard almost all information if we are looking for unbiased sources.

 

Then you go to independent researchers who finance a lot of their own stuff like Randall Carlson, but they dont have the funding to get pertinent information on current matters until 30 years after the fact.

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So saying global warming is causing these hurricanes is... premature. Just like the sources said. Thank you for confirming my post while also disagreeing with it in your own oddly bizarre way.

 

Thank You Professor.

 

By saying us being able to control climate change is a myth, you're saying that manmade climate change isn't real. That is a claim that goes against the general scientific community and you have yet to back it up.

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That isn't the same thing at all. Try again.

 

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Saying that we can't CONTROL a natural phenomenon is not the same thing as saying humans haven't contributed in any fashion.

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False, your thing just does not go back far enough. The earth has spiked over 10 degrees in roughly the same period before. Your illustration only tells a half truth. The earth has done this before and will again.

 

NASA has verified climate data back to 800,000 years, as far back as we can go, that says otherwise. Care to source me here?

 

The Earth has definitely warmed and cooled, 5 degrees celcius in fact, the difference is it normally takes about 1,000 years for the planet to warm 1 degree. In contrast, we see the planet having warmed 1 degree in about 50 years, or twenty times faster than usual.

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Thanatos employing logical fallacies to try and prove his point. The Blots defense isn't a strong one.

 

http://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/harvey-and-irma-cant-be-blamed-climate-change

 

 

Apparently science is only real if it helps your point.

 

Heritage, as was already pointed out, is a far-right think tank. And yes, that does matter. I don't like having to sift through everything they say assuming they're trying to twist facts to support their narrative, as they so often do.

 

In this case, as per their usual tactics, they are misrepresenting the facts to support their argument as well as cherry picking quotes and stats.

 

Heritage is taking this headline and running with it, that, prior to Harvey and Irma, the US hasn't had a Cat-3 make *landfall* in 12 years.

 

However, this is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Obviously, good for us, because less landfalls equal less damage and less threat to our lives. What's important in the context of this discussion is whether or not hurricanes are still forming. Spoiler alert: they are.

 

Scientists have no solid explanation for the lack of hurricane landfalls. The number of storms forming in the Atlantic over the past decade or so has been close to normal, but many have remained over the ocean or hit other countries rather than the United States.

 

And again, you are making the common mistake of projecting short-term trends onto long-term predictions. We may or may not see more hurricanes in the next twenty years because of climate change.

 

Adam Sobel, a climate scientist at Columbia University, cautions that the drought in no way invalidates global warming predictions or the expectation that storms will grow more intense in future decades. The “notion that the hurricane drought in the Atlantic has somehow disproved the consensus projections of climate science is wrong, because the drought is still a relatively short-term fluctuation in a single basin, while the projections are for long-term global trends."

 

 

What scientists are more worried about is 50 to 100 years down the road, because of the following:

1) It is a fact that hurricanes form and get stronger over warm water.

2) It is also a fact that the oceans are warming.

3) It is widely held by the scientific community that the cause of said warming is climate change.

There are obviously more factors than just one that cause a hurricane to form, but the warmer the water, the more and deadlier hurricanes we will probably see. Other environmental factors such as current and air conditions also play a role in how and when they start forming.

It is not 100% that climate change contributes to hurricanes, but it makes logical sense based on what we know, and to dismiss it as if its a child's tale, such as Bware does, is ridiculously irresponsible.

I am perfectly fine with concluding we don't know for sure yet, but it does make perfect sense that it would, based on what we know now.

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I agree with the notion that the changing of the climate, whether we can control it or not, shouldn't be the only factor in our quest for a better earth. Pollution is a silent killer... not just of humans but of all living things. Look at the air in China. That shit needs to stop.

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As well as the floating plastic landfills in the ocean

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I agree with the notion that the changing of the climate, whether we can control it or not, shouldn't be the only factor in our quest for a better earth. Pollution is a silent killer... not just of humans but of all living things. Look at the air in China. That shit needs to stop.

Pollution is a silent killer of poor people so as long as a few at the top are profiting let's just say it's not going to be a priority lol

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