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[seanbrock 1,684]

Israel gets way too many US subsidies. If we weren't propping them up all these they wouldn't be shit and we could EASILY check them if we wanted to. They're a fucking apartheid state at this point. We should be cutting off all subsidies to them and sanctioning the fuck out of them. I understand that flies in the face of all that I said about the Middle East but Israel is fucked up and we basically created that monster so they're kind of our responsibility. THAT would also curtail terrorist attacks in our country a great deal.

 

I mean, I don't think we should be 100% hands off. I think we could probably just use the UN for a lot of this shit and THE UN would actually have some power if the US backed it imo. Nation building doesn't work and I talked about letting them draw their own boarders because of Iraq but now all the rest of those regions that aren't oil rich depend on that money. It's a crazy fucking problem for sure. Lol

[Omerta+ 1,206]

Israel gets way too many US subsidies. If we weren't propping them up all these they wouldn't be shit and we could EASILY check them if we wanted to. They're a fucking apartheid state at this point. We should be cutting off all subsidies to them and sanctioning the fuck out of them. I understand that flies in the face of all that I said about the Middle East but Israel is fucked up and we basically created that monster so they're kind of our responsibility. THAT would also curtail terrorist attacks in our country a great deal.

I mean, I don't think we should be 100% hands off. I think we could probably just use the UN for a lot of this shit and THE UN would actually have some power if the US backed it imo. Nation building doesn't work and I talked about letting them draw their own boarders because of Iraq but now all the rest of those regions that aren't oil rich depend on that money. It's a crazy fucking problem for sure. Lol

We have been over this before a few years back Sean, and you still dont know shit about Israel lol.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt , but decent is about where I top out on the scale of life certainly wouldnt call myself a good person.

 

Doesnt mean I dont try, but lots of failures and mistakes along the way.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Mental illness wasn't my main point. Erase that from my last post. Sorry to derail the convo.

 

You can't root out the fuckheads who commit mass shootings. It's impossible regardless of what you do. If someone wants to kill a lot of people, they're going to do everything in their power to do so. Whether it's a gun, a vehicle, a knife, or a bomb. They'll find a way to kill.

 

Our defense agency has certainly prevented attacks before, but anyone who wants to perform a mass killing that is savvy in the slightest won't be stopped until they're eating a bullet. It doesn't take much to kill a person, and trying to prevent that with a crackdown on a religion is a goofy scapegoat.

 

I think my logic is the same as this:

 

Locking all my doors and installing a security system isn't going to stop a professional thief. If he really wants to break in and rob me, he's gonna do it. However, the dude just running around looking for easy marks? Him, I'm gonna stop.

 

Gun control won't stop mass shootings. It very well might reduce them by quite a bit though, which is a good step in the right direction.

[Omerta+ 1,206]

I think my logic is the same as this:

 

Locking all my doors and installing a security system isn't going to stop a professional thief. If he really wants to break in and rob me, he's gonna do it. However, the dude just running around looking for easy marks? Him, I'm gonna stop.

 

Gun control won't stop mass shootings. It very well might reduce them by quite a bit though, which is a good step in the right direction.

I don't agree with the gun control that is often proposed, however I do understand the place that it comes from. I will concede that I would be okay with it under a few provisions.

 

I have a few AR-15s, and I love them all. They are outstanding guns to shoot, and extremely fun when you are around the right people. I would be okay with giving up my AR-15, on a trial basis if we were to try to take these guns away and see what happened to mass murders. Now obviously you're going to curb mass shootings, because you're going to be taking guns away. That said if there's an uptick in bombs, or even shootings with semi-automatic rifles that are shaped in the way of an M14, or something of that nature, then I should be able to get them back.

 

I understand that these mass shootings create a visceral need in all of us for safety, and gun control does seem like a logical step. That being said no disrespect to anyone but I do think mental health is an issue. When you look at these mass shootings, you have to look at how many of these people were coming off of some antidepressants that were prescribed by doctors. Those numbers are freaking terrifying. This one that happened in Vegas, was the only one I can remember in recent memory where the shooter wasn't either Muslim or coming off of antidepressants. I think we need to take an honest look at how we evaluate mental health in this country, and I think we need to remove the stigma from it. If you need help, get help.

 

I understand what you were talking about when you were talking about your friend who is just a tad bit left the center because of the things he had to see and do in Iraq. I 100% empathize because I have been that guy. I didn't need a therapist, but having children and my wife certainly curbed who I used to be. My anger is gone down, my anxiety, and in general My overall quality of life has improved and how I have treated others has improved immensely.

 

I also think that most of the civilians who don't have any real cursory understanding of the power of some of the weapons that are out on the market, need to educate themselves. With the Las Vegas shooting from what I understand almost five hundred bullets if not more were fired, and I hate to say only, but only 50 something people died. Had that been an M14 where the caliber was at .308, and can be modified to hold 10 rounds at a time, if that guy could have got off a hundred rounds and hit 60 people I guarantee we would have a similar death toll, and it can be done from longer range. I also think that if a guy had two or three and four rifles that were preloaded, and shot 200 rounds we're looking at a death toll of at least 100. I mean granted you're not going to do as much damage with a bolt-action rifle, but some of these large caliber semi automatics, are absolutely lethal. More so than an M4.

 

Again I'm not dismissing gun-control wholesale, but I think there needs to be a few provisions, and it needs to be started up on a trial basis if it all. I would really hate to have to give up my AR-15s, because I am responsible gun owner who knows how to have fun with them. That being said if it comes to the greater good of society I would be willing to do it on a trial basis, to see if mass murders in general went down. If it didn't then I think I should have every right to own them, and so should others. I do think we need to be a bit more stringent about who we give guns to, but that is another matter entirely. Or at least a different subsection of this conversation anyway.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Omerta

[seanbrock 1,684]

We have been over this before a few years back Sean, and you still dont know shit about Israel lol.

Okey doke, well good talk bud lol

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Okey doke, well good talk bud lol

Well know your shit man. You think it is some one sided thing. You have apparently not out I the time to learn so of course it will be a shit conversation lo

[seanbrock 1,684]

Well know your shit man. You think it is some one sided thing. You have apparently not out I the time to learn so of course it will be a shit conversation lo

The Jews have been the aggressors since The British decided to give them land that was never theirs after WWI. The Palestinians aren't angels. They've done some fucking atrocious things but all that considered I would have to say that it has been pretty 1 sided. 1 side has all the power of the Western World behind it and the other side is Palestine. They keep losing more and more of their land that has been promised to them several times over. The conditions that they're living in right now are beyond fucked up.

[Omerta+ 1,206]

The Jews have been the aggressors since The British decided to give them land that was never theirs after WWI. The Palestinians aren't angels. They've done some fucking atrocious things but all that considered I would have to say that it has been pretty 1 sided. 1 side has all the power of the Western World behind it and the other side is Palestine. They keep losing more and more of their land that has been promised to them several times over. The conditions that they're living in right now are beyond fucked up.

I see your point, but I also think it is messed up that the Hebrews have had their land stolen from them before, and nobody really had an issue until we became more civilized. Then Britain realized what had happened in the ancient past, and decided to give the Hebrews the land of Their Own. It is also worth noting that when they were given that land it was absolutely, completely, and utterly a crap hole. Nobody wanted that land, not even the Palestinians. It was in no man's land. Then we gave it to them, and they made something out of it now that it's useful everybody wants it. There is a reason everybody is against the Palestinians. I agree Israel is no saint, and they are more than willing to put foot to ass especially when it comes to Palestinians, but let's not act like Palestinians didn't say from the Inception of Israel that there will not be peace in the Middle East until Israel's land is conquered and all of its inhabitants are dead. That would be a pretty strong motivator for me as well, so I really can't fault Israel for seeing Palestine as the aggressors. The fact that they're now getting their ass whooped, is beside the point.

 

It is terrible, but what do we do. I think it would be stupid to intervene, Not only would it be seen as nation-building, something we know you hate, but we would be picking a fight with the only competent military in the Middle East. Not really a smart strategy in my opinion.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Omerta