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BPitNFL Winners Bracket Round 2 (1/4)

  

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  1. 1. C1

  2. 2. C2

  3. 3. C3

    • Leonard Williams
    • Jason Peters
  4. 4. C4

  5. 5. C5

  6. 6. C6

    • Travis Frederick
    • Marshal Yanda
  7. 7. C7

    • Calais Campbell
    • Matthew Stafford
  8. 8. C8

    • Landon Collins
    • Ndamukong Suh


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And people complain about PhilElliot, lmao.

Oh man, you got me real good there. Trying to insinuate I'm worse than someone that believes everything is rigged and belittles people and calls them sheep. Lmao, bravo dude. You're just a giant douche as always, run along.

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Hahaahahaha, a giant wuss about it? I'm just laughing at you using Pro Bowls as a meaurement of success. That's the equivalent citing Wikipedia as a source.

 

Tyron Smith and Williams were better than Bakhtiari, Whitworth, and Staley last season? C'mon bro...

 

Well I thought it had been established that this was not just about last season, so over the last 2 or 3 years, yeah I take Williams and Smith over those 3, although Staley is constantly underrated and is good he is not as good as those 2.

 

Instead of negging people because you defend you're point with "C'mon Bro" you could explain what makes them better. I mean if it makes you feel better I welcome you to try to take me back down to zero, better yet negatives. That would really show me what is up.

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Well I thought it had been established that this was not just about last season, so over the last 2 or 3 years, yeah I take Williams and Smith over those 3, although Staley is constantly underrated and is good he is not as good as those 2.

 

Instead of negging people because you defend you're point with "C'mon Bro" you could explain what makes them better. I mean if it makes you feel better I welcome you to try to take me back down to zero, better yet negatives. That would really show me what is up.

So did you even read my initial post about those 5 tackles? Cause it was in reference to the Pro Bowl and how much of a joke the voting is. Harrison Smith was probably the best safety last season and missed out cause Earl Thomas is a bigger name. Same story with the likes of Tyron Smith and Trent Williams, even though there were much better options. Bakhtiari allowed 12 pressures all of last season. That's all and he didn't get recognition. Since apparently being named an all-pro means so much, Whitworth was 1st team and Bakh was 2nd team last season.

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These lists are always going to leave someone out. ALWAYS. When you consider in the all pro only 3 or 4 tackles get recognition out of 32 there is no reason to get salty because "You're guy" didnt get the nod. I will concede Earl Thomas has become overrated, and is not as good as the gold standard his name carries. That said I was talking about tackles. And Given the Choice Between Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Bakhtiari, Whitworth, or most other tackles I tack Williams and Smith. As does most people.

 

That is generally what happens with people in these things. When their guy doesn't make it they tear down the guy that did, instead of realizing that maybe both guys deserved it. Just a thought, :shrug:

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Holy shit, you still don't get it. When I mentioned all 5 tackles it wasn't even about this list at all. It was about the Pro Bowl and how shitty the voting is for that. The Pro Bowl is supposed to be based off the current year alone. But it isn't because it's just a popularity contest? So even though Bakh, Whitworth, and Staley all outperformed Tyron Smith by a mile, Smith still got voted in. Every year there are multiple guys that miss out because they aren't household names. Which is why using Pro Bowls as a measurement of success is a complete joke.

 

As for this list, if you want to pick guys that are past their prime and have fallen off, then so be it. Although if that's how some of you seem to be doing, then why aren't guys like Fitz and Jordy on here?

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Holy shit, you still don't get it. When I mentioned all 5 tackles it wasn't even about this list at all. It was about the Pro Bowl and how shitty the voting is for that. The Pro Bowl is supposed to be based off the current year alone. But it isn't because it's just a popularity contest? So even though Bakh, Whitworth, and Staley all outperformed Tyron Smith by a mile, Smith still got voted in. Every year there are multiple guys that miss out because they aren't household names. Which is why using Pro Bowls as a measurement of success is a complete joke.

 

As for this list, if you want to pick guys that are past their prime and have fallen off, then so be it. Although if that's how some of you seem to be doing, then why aren't guys like Fitz and Jordy on here?

 

No I understand perfectly. Your guys didn't get the nod so you throw a tantrum. Zack brings up that among their peers and NFL circles that Tyron Smith and Trent Williams are considered to be better than the guys you mentioned. That said, since they play every down in the NFL and you are a guy who sits on his couch, your opinion is worth more. Maybe we should not use pro bowls, but how are you measuring them ? Your opinion, because that is not equally arbitrary right ?

 

Then the funny part is you say we are picking guys who are past their primes as some sort of modus operandi, or that we are going off sheer name value, and then you notice the absence of guy who are past their prime and have name value lol. Are you nuts dude? You defeated your own argument. Bravo.

 

Look man it is obvious you can not handle a difference of opinion as a civil adult, so maybe the PhilElliot comparison isnt that far off. Enjoy talking with yourself.

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No I understand perfectly. Your guys didn't get the nod so you throw a tantrum. Zack brings up that among their peers and NFL circles that Tyron Smith and Trent Williams are considered to be better than the guys you mentioned. That said, since they play every down in the NFL and you are a guy who sits on his couch, your opinion is worth more. Maybe we should not use pro bowls, but how are you measuring them ? Your opinion, because that is not equally arbitrary right ?

 

Then the funny part is you say we are picking guys who are past their primes as some sort of modus operandi, or that we are going off sheer name value, and then you notice the absence of guy who are past their prime and have name value lol. Are you nuts dude? You defeated your own argument. Bravo.

 

Look man it is obvious you can not handle a difference of opinion as a civil adult, so maybe the PhilElliot comparison isnt that far off. Enjoy talking with yourself.

Well apparently you don't understand, like holy fuck are you dense. Do I need to use some crayons and draw it out for you? In one of my above posts, I pointed out how Bakh only allowed 12 pressures all season, with 0 sacks. Which is better than Smith and Williams. Whitworth was also good and he did get the 1st team all-pro nod. I really couldn't care less if a player I liked got elected to the fucking pro bowl or not. Or my first point about Smith vs Thomas, which you agreed with, is that throwing a fit too? Cause it would make total sense for me to throw a fit over a division rival player not getting elected to the Pro Bowl.

 

Please go back and read what I said, your reading comprehension is quite poor. I said if you want to base your rankings off past seasons and use that to vote for guys like Smith, then guys like Fit and Nelson should be included as well. Notice how I wasn't including such guys? When I'm ranking players, I'm looking at what have they done lately and how they are projected to do. If a guy is past their prime and on the decline, they aren't really a top 100 guy majority of the time. Is that so hard to understand?

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Ohhhhh, I get it, you can see into the future. My bad, continue.

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You so funny

 

Too bad you're not. It would be a wonderful redeeming characteristic.

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I remember when we could have discussions and disagreements on this board without everyone acting like a bunch of children.

 

Let's try to cool this down a bit.

 

Last year, Tyron Smith had a bad year, at least by his standards. PD is right, the Pro Bowl snubbed Bakhtieri for Smith because Smith has the greater name recognition. Overall, you could still easily make the argument that Smith is better, based on body of work, but last year David was absolutely the better tackle. He was phenomenal last year.

 

Don't twist each other's arguments to try to make them say something they're not.

 

PD, Zack is not saying the Pro Bowl is the be all end all, merely that longevity in the Pro Bowl is a solid indicator a player is a great one.

 

Zack, PD is not saying Travis Frederick is going to be considered a better player than Marshal Yanda, merely that as of right now, in his entirely subjective opinion, Frederick is playing better. Given Yanda was hurt nearly all of 2017, this is not some absolutely ridiculous claim to make. Saying Eric Weddle is better than Tom Brady is significantly more ridiculous, IMO.

 

Ngata, PD was talking about Pro Bowls in his post, not this poll. You really need to read his entire argument before taking a shot at him, because you're arguing against a point he isn't making.

 

And every single person in here needs to remember this is a matter of opinion. We're going to have disagreements, I guarantee you no one is going to be 100% satisfied with how this list turns out. If you can't be civil with each other when you disagree with each other, please just don't post.

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I remember when we could have discussions and disagreements on this board without everyone acting like a bunch of children.

That has never been the case.

 

Zack, PD is not saying Travis Frederick is going to be considered a better player than Marshal Yanda, merely that as of right now, in his entirely subjective opinion, Frederick is playing better. Given Yanda was hurt nearly all of 2017, this is not some absolutely ridiculous claim to make. Saying Eric Weddle is better than Tom Brady is significantly more ridiculous, IMO.

I literally never once said or insinuated either of these things, so whether you mean well or not, please don't put words in my mouth.

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Was absolutely the case at one point.

 

You voted for Weddle over Brady?

 

Oh I see. I forgot about you posting you were voting against him because of cheating. I hope you're not going to continue to do that in a matchup where it might actually matter unless you actually think the other guy is better than Brady. I'm not sure what you mean by "either of these things" as that's the only thing I was saying you believed.

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