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Agreed.

I went with the Skins too, and in my money league (at work offline), I need them to win to tie the leader for this week and even at that I need to win the tiebreaker too. I'm hoping for RG3 to go hammer, somewhere around 30-27 Skins. As long as the Skins win and the total score is close to 57. I'm the only person to pick the Skins too in my money league.

That is a problem, but at the same time, MJD's hurt, so that's gonna happen. The real problem with the Jags (now that they've seen that Blaine Gabbert is a career backup QB), is that defense. They have one of the worst defenses in the league. Cox being hurt and not playing hurts, but it was the running game that tore them up this week. I don't know who that's on really, the DTs, the LBs, the MLB, the playcalling (guessing wrong.) But it's a huge problem. Posluszny's salary is going to double next year. He'll be making the most money of every Jaguar on the roster. That's pretty stupid honestly. LBs, specifically 4-3 LBs, are not premium positions and shouldn't be the highest paid position on your team. Good old Gene Smith. At least he'll be gone after this year.

Now Cecil Shorts has a concussion too. ARRRRRRGGGGGHHH.

This is why I picked the Bills and was surprised so many picked the Jags.

Hack into team's tablet/playbook.

So you suckers actually bought 2k12? :grinno: I still play 2k11. Waiting on 2k13 when I see a decent price. Heard it's better than 2k12, but not as good as 2k11.

Everyone picking the Jags? What in the... Would be nice, but I see the Bills winning this one. 23 30 Jags struggle with Spiller/Jackson two headed monster, missing Derek Cox. Mario Williams is finally turning it on. Marcus Dareus is a stud. Jags lack a pass rush, and Fitzgerald has always lit Jacksonville up even when the Jags weren't this bad on defense. In Buffalo. Should be a close/good game though. I hope Cecil and Blackmon go off again, though they're both playing hurt. Henne Given Sunday.

Penis.

Saints @ Falcons (TNF) Texans @ Titans Colts @ Lions Jags@ Bills Seahawks @ Bears 49ers @ Rams Vikings @ Packers Panthers @ Chiefs Pats @ Dolphins Cards @ Jets Bucs @ Broncos Browns @ Raiders Bengals @ Chargers Steelers @ Ravens Eagles @ Cowboys (SNF) Giants @ Redskins (MNF) Tiebreaker: 57

I <3 Cecil Shorts by the way.

Yep. One of the only teams our Jags can beat at this point.

The NFC East is pretty bad this year. Usually they get the SEC treatment of, "the best division in football." Not so much this year. Tampa is the dark horse to watch in the playoff race and especially if they make the playoffs. Their pass defense is very questionable, but their offense has transformed and is really clicking now that Freeman has a guy like Doug Martin to keep defenses on their heels. Vincent Jackson was absolutely worth the money. I've always liked Mike Williams, and I'm glad my boy Tiquan Underwood (drafted by the Jags in 7th round and spent this past offseason with Cecil Shorts and Larry Fitzgerald learning from Jerry Sullivan, Jags WR coach) is finally carving out a spot on a team. My prediction is Patriots/Niners in the Super Bowl. But I'm iffy on the Niners in comparison, I'm pretty dang sure of the Patriots. They've hit their stride, and their rookies on defense are really impressive. Not to mention Talib was a good pickup they desperately needed. Although I can see a team like Denver upsetting them with their pass rush ability, the only way you can stop Tom Brady and that offense. I say Pats would beat the Texans if they met. Texans have sort of been exposed when you spread them out like Green Bay, Jacksonville and Detroit showed us.

I think this is going to be one of the most decisive weeks in the season. Lots of games could go either way, gonna be an exciting Sunday. Cheers.

Dude, you're the one who first started calling me ignorant in capital letters. Go back and read. I only fired back because you were patronizing as hell in your first post. But yes, lets drop all that non-sense. Not trying to upstage you honestly (I jokingly said that in the Shoutbox in which you replied, "I never lose" so we're both joking obviously about the whole one up-manship.) On topic, I think putting up the attendance stats does help my point. Because it was to point out the Jags aren't the worst in attendance and are better than 31% of the league. You were saying how companies bought out Jags tickets and that's the only reason they've avoided blackouts (Miami is by the far the biggest culprit of this evident by their attendance numbers and not having any blackouts.) That only happened in 2011, Weaver's last year. In 2009 when Jax had the blackouts there were no company bailouts. Same with years before. You made it seem like Jax has been doing it for years like Miami has. Not to mention, the passion is there, how else do you explain them filling up 95.1% of the stadium even when the team is 1-9? When the team is consistently blown out by 20+ points at home each game? Look at Miami, Tampa, Washington, San Deigo, Minnesota, St. Louis, Oakland, Kansas City, Cleveland, Minnesota, Cincinnati. Other than KC, all have better teams— and all of them are older storied franchises yet are doing worse in attendance. Yet rarely are their fan bases lambasted like Jacksonvilles. The owners quotes don't prove a lack of passion, it proves he doesn't like seeing tarps and would like to make more money by taking them off and selling the seats. It looks bad outside of people in the know of the situation, so that's why he says it's embarrassing. It has nothing to do with the passion of the fan base. But it does have to do with the size of the fan base. The stadium without tarps is huge, way too big for Jacksonville. Why else have newer stadiums built in Houston, Denver, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philly, New England, Seattle, Tampa, Cincinnati, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, and Arizona built with less seats than Jacksonville yet are far bigger markets? Look at that list of cities for a minute. All those newer stadiums were built with less capacity than Jacksonville yet dwarf them in market size. The stadium is way too big. Yet we're just going to ignore that and act like Jacksonville lacks passion, that's why there's tarps. The problem is they grossly overestimated their market size in regards to stadium size. You refuse to acknowledge me and Vin's posts about the size of the stadium with/without tarps. Any realistic person can see with the 4th smallest market it's insane to expect a 17 year old franchise to sell out the 4th biggest stadium in the league. You'd need a huge tradition to keep that going. Only now are kids growing up as Jags fans. Before fans in the area had to switch allegiances because they were likely Atlanta/Tampa/Miami/Other fans before. The only reason it happened for most of the 90s was because the team was fresh and the team was in the playoffs every year except it's expansion year and reached the AFC Championship twice. When teams are good there's always bandwagon fans that boost their numbers, die hards are the real size. There's not enough die hards in Jacksonville for their stadium size yet. There never was. Gaining die hard fans takes decades. It's entirely too soon to think Jacksonville is a failed experiment. Especially when evidence shows more fans are showing up every year since 2009. You call the passion of the fan base frightening. Yet attendance has gone up every year since hitting rock bottom after the economic recession in 2009. The arrows pointing up, not down, even though the teams performance has gotten worse.

Still can't believe I listened to history and picked Dallas.

You do know the Packers played portions and at times half of their schedule in Milwaukee from 1933-1994 right? That's 61 years. Again, when did I ever say we should add Milwaukee to Green Bay? I said "if we added Milwaukee to Green Bay it'd be bigger than Jacksonville." It was merely to point out how small the Jacksonville market actually is. It was a very innocuous point, and had no large bearing on my argument about Jacksonville fan support or anything about a city needing to help Jacksonville and that's why they're 22nd in attendance. It was comparing markets on a large scale. You're just being silly and condescending with your adding HOU/NO markets statement. Keep getting more hysterical. How do the numbers prove your point? You said the Jags were in the bottom 5 or 6. When in fact they're 11th (I like how you keep saying bottom 10 too when they're 11th, lets round down to make it look worse, good job.) *cue F4E replying with another juvenile, "OOOOHHHH HUGE DIFFERENCE. NOT!"* The whole point was that most people consider the Jags one of the worst teams in attendance, and yet they're better than 31% of the league. Is that great? No, is that horrible? No. Especially considering they're the 4th smallest market. Where am I throwing a party? Where am I saying I'm satisfied? Again, I'm not. I'm pointing out the misconception that Jacksonville is the worst in attendance and fan support. That's all I'm doing. You're making it out like I'm saying the Jags are doing great, when I'm saying they're not the worst, and much better than Tampa and Miami. I'm not asking anyone to sugar coat anything, and there's nothing to be proud of having the 22nd best attendance in the NFL. But considering that's for a 1-9 team and you have Tampa with the 31st best attendance yet they're a bonafide playoff contender that's actually pretty decent considering everything. Anything to bang your drum about? No, and I never said it was. The Jags are striving better, Khan has already called the tarps embarrassing, but that's because he has sky high hopes. He's set the bar as high as saying the ticket to a Jax game should be the hottest ticket in the NFL. Pretty unrealistic, but that's what you like to hear from the big guy running things. Also considering Jacksonville is getting outscored by 200 points at home with what is quite possibly the worst performance by a team at home in NFL history, 22nd is not that bad at all. It's a miracle these guys still show up when everything is telling them not to.

I honestly don't think you comprehended what I said. Did I ever say the Packers don't count as a small market team? No. I said if we added the Milwaukee market to Green Bay it'd be bigger than Jacksonville. I never said Green Bay doesn't count as a small market team. Yet you're saying I did, and then contradicted myself by posting evidence that Green Bay is the smallest market. Well yeah, Green Bay is the smallest market, I knew that and I never said it wasn't, I said if you add Milwaukee it would be bigger than Jacksonville. That's all I was saying. Again, this isn't about population, it's about market size. Market size, not population, because population is misleading as I've stated. And yes, I do have a point, I'm pointing out numbers, facts, market sizes, attendance numbers, fan support. This is how you make points, evidence. I'm bringing evidence to the table. Yet you're acting like I'm saying Jacksonville needs a big city next to it to compete, even though I never once said that either. Never said Green Bay wasn't a small market either, again you're saying I did. Another blatant lie. Who's really putting words in the others mouth here? All you're doing is getting butt hurt about me saying Milwaukee supports Green Bay. Which is a fact too by the way. There's no ulterior motive behind that statement, just a fact. Yet you took it as me saying Green Bay isn't a small market. Why you mad bruh? Why you mad?

Also notice the indirect disses being tossed out. This is how people without knowledge of the topic at hand argue. Khan is actually reaching out to Savannah, GA, Orlando, Tallahassee, Gainesville and surrounding markets around Jacksonville to build the fan base. Players and ex-players like Fred Taylor went around to these cities in Caravans and held events, autograph signings, Tony Boselli spoke, as well as players, etc. To get out there and interact with fans and make new ones. It actually boosted Jacksonville's ticket sales this year even though the team has gotten worse. He's not just looking for fans in the UK and overseas, he's looking for them everywhere. But yes, let's make fun of a smart businessman covering all bases. Lets capitalize words and be condescending, that always wins the argument.

Actually, Goodell was actually one of the guys who selected Jacksonville to be one of the new franchises. He was on the committee for that then. He views them almost as, "his baby" in that way. Same with Carolina. When did I ever say Jacksonville needs a big city next to it to help it? I was talking about market size, and how Jacksonville is the 4th smallest market size. I only brought up neighboring cities for Green Bay, and that's why you went on a tirade it seems. I dared to say Green Bay gets support from Milwaukee. I never once said, "that's why Green Bay has lots of fans, it has Milwaukee." Yet you seem to have taken it that way. Re-read my friend. Also, you obviously don't get that Jacksonville is the biggest city in America by land mass. Which makes population seem like it's a huge city. When in fact it's not. It's completely sprawled out. The entire Duval county is counted as the city of Jacksonville. That means woods and the boon docks, rural areas that aren't even remotely urban. There's no other city like that. That's why it's the biggest city land area wise in the U.S. Which makes it one of least densely populated cities among the big dogs. Which is why it's the 4th smallest market in the NFL. You keep saying, "Jacksonville biggest city in Florida, double the population of Miami/Tampa, etc." Then why is Tampa the 13th biggest market, and Miami the 16th biggest market, while Jacksonville is the 47th biggest market in America? Also notice, all my posts are backed by facts. You're just spouting perceptions. Just being real...

Oh no one said Jags are the worst in attendance? Just type in #Jaguars on twitter and feast your eyes on countless, "Jags to LA" or "I would feel bad for Jags fans, if there actually were any" jokes. Hell, the first post in here is a twitter account acknowledging all the jokes on attendance are about Jacksonville. It's popular opinion. They're jokes, and I actually laugh at them myself because they are funny even though they're technically wrong. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think popular opinion is the Jags sell the least tickets and have the least amount of fan support in their stadium. Tarp jokes, etc. Which is fine, but to say popular opinion is that Miami and Tampa have the worst attendance in the NFL is wrong. Because people think it's Jacksonville. A handful of teams? 5 or 6 teams? Try 10. http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct I wouldn't consider 31% of the leagues teams "a handful." Jacksonville is filling 95.1% of it's stadium this year, and that's with a 1-9 team. The Redskins with an exciting young QB in RGIII are only filling 85.7% of their stadium. Miami is only filling a woeful 75.6%. Tampa 82.2%. Minnesota, Cincy, San Diego. All these teams aren't filling their stadiums up as much as Jacksonville and all have better teams. Yet the fans are pathetic? They're not great, and I never said they were. But I did say they're more passionate than Miami and Tampa fans. Because facts show this. Never said transplants aren't an issue. Most certainly that is a big problem. You made an entire paragraph about one tiny part of my post considering not adding Green Bay as a smaller market than Jacksonville. You're right about the Green Bay/Milwaukee stats, that's fine, but then again, how many teams are in Wisconsin for Green Bay to compete with? Green Bay is how old? Jacksonville is how old? Tradition has to be built over time, Jags don't have enough yet to compete like that, especially when there's two other teams in the state to compete with and Atlanta taking up most of Georgia. Lastly, I noticed lots of capitalized words in your post. Y U MAD?

Exactly, with the tarps, the Jags seating capacity is still bigger than 11 other stadiums (including newer ones built in large markets like Seattle, and Detroit.) Pittsburgh is also a newer stadium but I wouldn't call them a large market although it's bigger than Jax. Without the tarps (76,867 seats), the only stadiums bigger than Jacksonville's stadium are Washington, New York, and Dallas. Three of the biggest markets in the league. While market wise, the only teams with a smaller market are Buffalo and New Orleans. Green Bay would be added but they have Milwaukee. NO, BUF, and JAX don't have a big city next to them to help like that. Toronto doesn't count because fans would have to go through customs being in a different country for every game and that's just not feasible. The stadium was built for the Florida-Georgia game. That's two huge fan bases. It was made way too big, the tarp jokes/criticism is ignorant, plain and simple. Jacksonville by far has a more passionate fan base than Tampa and Miami. The attendance records show this as well. Forget the blackouts, because Miami hasn't had any blackouts yet are consistently in the lowest attendance. They have the lowest of all Florida teams — and yet they're the biggest market in Florida. Say what you want about the Jaguars bad front office and they way they've ran the team in recent year, I agree with that, but the fan base has been completely disrespected on a national level when there are a number of fan bases that have been way worse than Jax.

I live in Florida and I'm getting Pittsburgh @ Cleveland instead of Tennessee @ Jacksonville.

Texans @ Lions Redskins @ Cowboys Pats @ Jets Bills @ Colts Steelers @ Browns Raiders @ Bengals Vikings @ Bears Titans @ Jags Falcons @ Bucs Seahawks @ Dolphins Broncos @ Chiefs Ravens @ Chargers 49ers @ Saints Rams @ Cards Packers @ Giants Panthers @ Eagles Tiebreaker: 45

Yeah I've loved their recent drafts. Good post. Still pissed Gene Smith drafted a fucking punter over Russelll Wilson... but hey, he ran stride for stride with the PR and made the tackle right? Super Bowl! I gotta go with Gene Smith as one of the worst GMs in the league. One of those cases where the guy was good at his past jobs so he kept getting promoted until he got promoted to a job he can't handle. Happens a lot in organizations. I'll side with Ozzie as the best. Not only are him and DeCosta money in the draft, but Ozzie also has that luck factor. Still pissed at him and Minnesota for botching that trade so Baltimore could trade ahead of Jacksonville and take Leftwich. Instead Minnesota forfeits their pick, moves behind Jacksonville and Shack Harris/Gene Smith/Jack Del Rio immediately pounce on Leftwich. While Minnesota and Baltimore "get stuck" with Kevin Williams and Terrell Suggs. FML. #BecauseJaguars