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  1. Another point I want to make about all this first round QB stuff is that there haven't been many "Elite Prospects" in the draft in recent history. All I hear about this year and last year is how there are no "elite" players or these guys don't grade out as a first round QB and blah blah.

     

    I want to know who is a first round QB?? Because Luck came in and played well (led the league in INT) no everyone expects the sky from a first round QB when in reality there aren't many worthy of the current expectations in the league. And the ones who are worthy are always passed over for a stupid reason and poor evaluation.

     

    In the league now there are only a number of QBs who were high first round picks and considered "Top Tier"

     

    -Peyton Manning

    -Andrew Luck

    -Phillip Rivers

    -Ben Roethlisberger

     

    Now we can look at the other first round picks who have some question marks next to them.

     

    -Aaron Rodgers (Late first round pick, but he didn't come in and play. His unique situation having the chance to sit and learn is not an opportunity any QB will get these days)

     

    -Cam Newton (Not sure he is a consensus top tier QB and will need to finally have weapons to show his true limits)

     

    -Matt Ryan (Trouble in the playoffs always cause people to rank him outside of the top 15)

     

    -Sam Bradford (Potential, but injury-prone and hasn't won much)

     

    -Matt Stafford (Big numbers, low wins, I think he is on the fence of top tier and just really good)

     

    -Jay Cutler (I'm a Bears fan and won't even argue this)

     

    -Joe Flacco (Late first round pick, Superbowl, I'll listen to the arguement for him)

     

    Point being we only have FOUR QBs who are in the top tier coming out of being high first round picks. And only eleven all together who you can even consider as top 15. Translation....a good number of top QBs come from later rounds, situations where they have had time to develop, or went into a nice system for them. This talk of "elite prospects" at QB is just silly because if you are lucky every three years you have ONE guy who is worthy of a first round pick.

    Absolutely agree.

    The silly argument I sometimes see over on the Texans board is that it ain't worth taking a QB because they are not "locks" at QB.

    I argue with them saying how long are you gonna wait to take one?

    And even if a "lock" QB came along, if you are not the #1 pick, and the team at #1 needs a QB, then you are gonna wait another three or more years for another opportunity.

    I am a believer in the right system for the QB - you can't fit a square peg in a round hole and don't throw him off the deep end if he ain't ready or if you have a bad line.


  2. That would be golden for Texans, but Bridgewater falling to #33? Smoke and mirrors. He WILL be the first QB off the board. Jags, Browns or Oakland will take him.

    I can see the headlines - Texans bamboozled out of best QB since Luck and Griffin.


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    Nice work dude.

    Doesn't Logan Thomas have chronic accuracy issues yet by the graphic, he has the biggest hands...?

    Perhaps he is just raw and needs a decent QB coach to help him with throwing mechanics.

     

    Yeah like butta55 said. Also if you look at who Thomas had around him last year it was all freshman/sophomores who had no idea where to to go, what routes to run, that entire team was a travesty. It's still just an excuse though, and Thomas wasn't good enough to overcome that so he's obviously not that great of a player yet. But this is pointing out he's the best piece of clay to mold if you grab him in the middle to late rounds. That's why whoever it was that drafted Thomas in the mock draft game here I congratulated the value he got. If I'm gonna pick up a day 3 QB give me the guy with rare physical measureables so I can coach him up and see what can possibly come of him. If he doesn't pan out oh well it's just a day 3 pick, those don't pan out at a good % rate anyways.

     

    I could have a two hour discussion on Logan Thomas. Maybe one of the most interesting prospects (hear that alot in this draft), because he does have rare size and if you've seen him run you know he knows how to use it. But beyond the typical dual threat college QB he has very good patience and progression when in the pocket. He is not going to lock on to one guy and run around until he is open, Thomas actually has shown the ability to line up against a defense with some standard route concepts, read the defensive coverage and take what they give him, The problem with Logan is that when the ball comes out I don't think anyone but Jesus knows where it's gonna end up going. He flashes the top level arm strength and accuracy to fit it in between a half-way rolled up car window and out the other side. And then he shows you he can throw it into a pool and miss the water. There can be a number of reasons, but sometimes people just aren't NFL caliber players and whatever team grabs him will already believe they know the problem...they have the solution....and they have the staff to execute fixing him.

     

    That's pretty much the way I saw it too.

    If he IS fixable, he could be pretty decent.

    Fortunately for my team, we have a guy who fancies himself as a bit of a QB fixer upper... :allhail:


  4. McShay had Savage going to the Texans in round 2 a week or two ago.

    O'Brien indicated he had Savage in his sights about 8 weeks ago when he was about the 5-6 round range. I seriously doubt he is interested in taking him higher than one of our 4's now.

    #33 for Texans is wayyyy too valuable to fritter away on anything less than BPA or as close as possible to a priority need.

    They may even trade down with it to get an extra high round pick.


  5. They won't. The fact that they play in the division that has laundry list of elite pass rushers pretty much forces them to upgrade that average offensive line that they have if they don't trade down. There are a number of home-run WR selections that they will be able to make in the 2nd round. But if they don't improve up front they may as well just IR Bradford today.

    They take Watkins #2 and shoot for Zack Martin (Guard) at #13. Guard is a need.

    Conversely, they take Greg Robinson (RT) at #2 and shoot for Mike Evans at #13.


  6. This can be completely off base and may not even be logical, but I was just thinking Rams GM Les Snead is at #2 and wants to move back as he always does. Snead's former mentor Dimitroff GM of the Falcons wants to move up like he has been doing. I wonder if this is some work between the two to create a win-win for both off them by pressuring teams to move up for their guy or at least set the tone that teams will have to jump up to get these elite guys.

     

    Just a thought, but would be an interesting storyline.

    Rams are in the driver's seat in this draft as I don't see many teams willing to trade into #1. If there was an Andrew Luck type lock at QB, there would likely be several teams vying for him already and Texans would likely not want to trade out at any price unless it was an offer they couldn't refuse.

    A trade with Rams makes sense as it would not cost the earth to get into #2.

    I think Rams may be after Watkins to give Bradford another weapon to throw to - that way they can be certain if Bradford will be their guy moving forward.


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    With a little under two weeks left before the 2014 NFL Draft it is that time for rumors, stories, and moves to start flying. The latest (and potentially most important) story developing out of nfl.com is about the Atlanta Falcons looking at making a trade with the Houston Texans for the #1 pick to draft Jadeveon Clowney.

     

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000343995/article/jadeveon-clowney-to-do-one-or-two-drills-for-atlanta-falcons?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb

     

    With the idea out there I would like to know what you think about one or all of these points

    • How do you feel about Clowney's fit with Atlanta, and is it worth the Falcons trading up for?

     

    • What do you imagine the Falcons will have to give up in order to move up to Houston's spot?

     

    • Who do you think the Texans are targeting at #6? Are they truely that in love with someone enough to move back or the other way around?

     

    • Would this shake up or set the tone for the draft? Or will Oakland at #5 still be the pivot point of the draft?

     

    Goat Sampson is pretty much on the money with all four points.

    Just on the 3rd q, Bortles would likely be the target, but if they trade down, it would not surprise me in the least if they grab Aaron Donald. The guy has no red flags or question marks and his situation is remarkably reminiscent of JJ Watt a few draft's back. He has the motor, skills and versatility to warrant a very high pick in this draft.


  8. Bears at number 14

     

    1. Aaron Donald - Every Bear fan should want this. Perfect player to replace Melton with would fit like a glove.

    2. Any CB not named Gilbert- Rated by number 1 by most people by i'm not a fan of his. Much rather have Verrett (love this kid) or Fulller.

    I think Donald will be one of the three best players to come out of this draft - the team that gets him will have an instant quality starter - a true plug-and-play guy.


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    CJ Mosley, though I doubt he falls that far. I've seen him as high as 12 in some mocks. Ryan Shazier I wouldn't necessarily be upset with. We at least need to add an ILB early even if we d give the first starting shot to Nate Irving. I could also see us going Sua Filo if he makes it down there, or even a CB like Jason Verrett.

    Some real nasty up front with RaShead Hageman would also be good for Broncs.

    I am hoping he falls to #33 for the Texans. :dance:

     

     

     

    I've really been loving this pick since you mentioned it a while back. Dug into him a lil bit and like everything about him. I need to see him play beside Terrance Knighton in JDR's D. It would be like Stroud and Henderson all over again, but with great pass-rushers on the outside and a good secondary. I WANTS.

     

    I don't blame you. He should be available for Texans around the #33 mark and if you watched JJ Watt last season, he was constantly double and even triple teamed. Some extra nasty up front would release the Kraken - what a formidable front those two would make!


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    This is how I'd rank these guys:

     

    Tier 1: Bridgewater

    Tier 2: Manziel

    Tier 3: Fales, Bortles, Murray

    Tier 4: Carr, Mettenberger, McCarron

    Tier 5: Savage, Mathews

    Tier Gabbert: Garoppolo

     

    I haven't even looked at Gilbert like that so I can't rank him.

     

    You have McCarron a couple tiers too high...

     

     

    :rofl:

     

    You know what though, now that I think about I think I do have him ONE tier too high. I'm gonna edit and put him in Tier 5. :yep:

     

    I don't think McCarron is too bad either. He may be a bit vanilla, but he is a decent game manager and won't lose you too many games. Surround him with some decent support in the right system and he should grow into a serviceable signal caller.


  11. It all boils down to working WITH your QB - if he has failings or weak areas, you try to stay away from them in game play and work on them in practice. You can't put a square peg in a round hole.

    You mold your system around the strengths of your QB, not the other way around - so that means the HC's need to carefully scrutinise the candidates and choose the one he feels most closely allies with his ideas and workings.

    Then you surround him with tools to succeed - like weapons to throw to and blockers and a decent running game to fall back on when situations demand it.

    It's common sense, not rocket science.


  12. CJ Mosley, though I doubt he falls that far. I've seen him as high as 12 in some mocks. Ryan Shazier I wouldn't necessarily be upset with. We at least need to add an ILB early even if we d give the first starting shot to Nate Irving. I could also see us going Sua Filo if he makes it down there, or even a CB like Jason Verrett.

    Some real nasty up front with RaShead Hageman would also be good for Broncs.

    I am hoping he falls to #33 for the Texans. :dance:

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  13. Sammy Watkins at 4 and a QB at 26 if one of the top 4 guys falls. If they insist on the QB at 4 then get someone like Su'a-Filo at 26.

    Browns and Rams both have a great opportunity to greatly improve in this draft.

    If Browns hit on a winner with a QB they will be trouble.

    Rams need a big time weapon for Bradshaw and if Watkins is it, they too will be dangerous next season.

    Both these teams are only one or two pieces from championship seasons - maybe not SB, but divisional for sure.


  14. #1/R1. Jadeveon Clowney. DE/OLB Texans need some extra pass rush badly. That will indirectly help all aspects of their D.

    #33/R2. Jimmy Garoppolo. QB is a no brainer for Texans and Jimmy G has a lot of potential. (The top four have gone already)

    #65/R3. Joel Bitonio RT Texans Oline was shown up last season so a quality healthy olineman is a necessity.

    #97/R4. Marcus Roberson CB Our secondary was also second rate last season.

    R4 (comp.) Justin Ellis DT Texans have taken two backups from FA, but now need a front liner. High effort guy.

    #129/R5. Andrew Jackson ILB Small school wonder. His tackling technique is nigh perfect and rushes well also.

     

    Each one of these picks is a need. There are others but these are the biggies.


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    You know, I used to be exactly the same way about Manziel.

    But I started seriously investigating the top ten QB's in the draft and I came to the conclusion that Manziel does have "it" factor out the wazoo.

    I started thinking if there was a chance for Texans to hit on paydirt with a QB to be the catalyst for a big turnaround for Texans, Manziel would be the most likely to be that spark.

    Manziel is the only other #1 I would consider besides Clowney. Of course, the best scenario for Texans is to trade down for extra picks.

    I would take Clowney, and hope that Bridgewater fell down to us at #33. If we miss TB top of the second, we wait for Mettenberger or Murray.

     

    I'm starting to come to terms that if I were to bet money on who goes #1, I'd put it on Clowney. If for whatever stupid reason Bridgewater drops, I'd be freakin' ecstatic to get him at #33. I'm a big fan of Murray when it comes to the "second tier" quarterbacks in this draft class. Not particularly high on Mettenberger myself.

     

    I'm pretty high on Murray - I think he will be very successful in the NFL under the right coach in the right scheme. He has a sweet back shoulder fade and QB smarts.

    Mett will likely need a little more polishing but I see him as a Matt Schaub type player with a big arm.

    If TB gets past Arizona then there is a big chance he falls to #33 and that would be golden for Texans. I hope another player at their biggest need is available so they have to pass on him - that is the beauty of this draft, there is so much quality in the first round especially that teams will likely be practically forced to go BPA.


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    I don't think Bortles will be ready week 1.

    Manziel and Bridgewater otoh can be.

    The only pick I think Texans can justify over Clowney is Manziel.

    Of the top three QB's, Manziel has the "it" factor, while Bridgewater is the most NFL ready now.

    Bortles holds the clipboard until you feel comfortable with giving him a shot and with #1 pick, I don't think you can afford that.

     

    Hey a Texans fan! Welcome to the boards. I'm in the Bridgewater fan club. Manziel scares the shit outta me...

     

    You know, I used to be exactly the same way about Manziel.

    But I started seriously investigating the top ten QB's in the draft and I came to the conclusion that Manziel does have "it" factor out the wazoo.

    I started thinking if there was a chance for Texans to hit on paydirt with a QB to be the catalyst for a big turnaround for Texans, Manziel would be the most likely to be that spark.

    Manziel is the only other #1 I would consider besides Clowney. Of course, the best scenario for Texans is to trade down for extra picks.

    I would take Clowney, and hope that Bridgewater fell down to us at #33. If we miss TB top of the second, we wait for Mettenberger or Murray.

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    If the Texans pick a QB with their #1 overall pick, then no way would I want Fitzpatrick to start over him if it were my team. If you take a QB #1 overall, you're basically saying that's your franchise. You don't draft a QB #1 overall and bench him; especially behind Fitzpatrick. We know what Fitzpatrick is.

    Well obviously. All I was saying is that it's not the end of the world if he's the Week 1 starter as opposed to T.J. Yates or Case Keenum. If they go QB at #1 (Likely Bortles) then yes he would be the starter from the get-go.

     

    I don't think Bortles will be ready week 1.

    Manziel and Bridgewater otoh can be.

    The only pick I think Texans can justify over Clowney is Manziel.

    Of the top three QB's, Manziel has the "it" factor, while Bridgewater is the most NFL ready now.

    Bortles holds the clipboard until you feel comfortable with giving him a shot and with #1 pick, I don't think you can afford that.

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  18. The op asks "Who will bust?"

    I'll go the other way - who will boom:-

    Jadeveon Clowney will awake and shine..

    Greg Robinson will be solid.

    Sammy Watkins will be a star.

    Jake Matthews will be solid.

    Khalil Mack will be good.

    Manziel will have a rough start but will turn into a franchise player.

    Anthony Barr will be very good after a couple of seasons.

    Aaron Donald will be a stud.

    Darquese Dennard will be very competitive.

    Louis Nix III will be very solid.

    That's enough neck sticking out for now. 8^)

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