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  3. Posted · Edited by Warhorse

    1. Browns- Mitchell Trubisky


    2. Niners- Myles Garrett


    3. Bears- Solomon Thomas


    4. Jags- Jamal Adams


    5.Titans- Marshon Lattimore


    6. Jets- Deshaun Watson


    7. Saints- John Ross


    8. Panthers- Leonard Fournette


    9. Bengals- Derek Barnett


    10 Bills- OJ Howard


    11. Chargers- Malik Hooker


    12. Browns- Jon Allen


    13. Cardinals- Deshone Kizer


    14. Eagles- Mike Williams


    15. Colts- Christian McCaffrey


    16. Ravens- Reuben Foster


    17. Redskins- Corey Davis


    18. Titans- Haason Reddick


    19. Bucs- Dalvin Cook


    20. Broncos- Cam Robinson


    21. Lions- David Njoku


    22. Dolphins- Taco Charlton


    23. Giants- Zach Cunningham


    24. Raiders- Malik McDowell


    25. Houston- Pat Mahomes


    26. Seattle- Davis Webb


    27. Chiefs- Marlon Humphrey


    28. Cowboys- Takkarist McKinley


    29. Ravens- Tre' White


    30. Pittsburgh- Charles Harris


    31. Falcons- Chidobe Awuzie


    32) Saints- Kevin King


  5. Posted · Edited by Warhorse

    Scheme also needs to be accounted a lot at certain positions, but not others. Having a free safety playing in a primarily cover 3 defense rather than cover 2 has much less of an difference than trying to play an interior defensive lineman on the edge.

    Yes....and a guy who never rarely defense with his hand in the dirt might not have as hard of a transition as a QB that plays primarily shotgun.....so for some positions....Scheme before acquisition is quite important.

  6. Posted

    Mine is very similar to yours, Razor.



    (1) Work ethic/Drive/Character


    (2) Player development in regards to technique and game skills


    (3) Good/bad luck on injuries / Condition Staff


    (4) Locker room environment/Team structure


    (5) Scheme after acquisition/Position placement


    (6) In game coaching


    (7) Outside influences/Support (family/nightlife/team city)


    (8) Talent


    (9) Scheme before acquisition


    (10) Round drafted/rookie FA

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  7. Posted · Edited by Warhorse

     

    I mashed some of your criteria together since they're virtually the same thing.

    (1) Work ethic/Drive/Character

    (2) Player development in regards to technique and game skills

    (3) Good/bad luck on injuries / Condition Staff

    (4) Locker room environment/Team structure

    (5) In game coaching

    (6) Scheme after acquisition/Position placement

    (7) Outside influences/Support (family/nightlife/team city)

    (8) Talent

    (9) Round drafted/rookie FA

    (10) Scheme before acquisition

    Work Ethic and character is definitely the most important thing, you can be mildly successful even if you're misused, but no lazy player has ever been successful. You could argue for guys like Albert Haynesworth, but they knew how to work hard until they got paid. Character and Work Ethic basically go hand in hand so I mashed them together. Development is the next most important thing because the college game is so different from the pro game, it's like learning a whole new sport. Not to mention the level of talent you're up against, development and polish is a must.

    I put injury luck and conditioning staff together because they do kind of go hand in hand, and a good conditioning staff keeps a team healthy, while a poor conditioning staff gives you the Chargers over the past five years. Availability is the best ability in the NFL so avoiding injury is vital to any player's success.

    My 4 5 and 6 are all really close together and could go either way, but in the ultimate team sport, your individual success is blurred with the successes of the team, so if they don't play hard or aren't coached well, the individual player suffers for it. If any of those criteria are lacking, it's difficult to overcome, but it can be done.

    7 kind of blurs together with 1, but it's distinctly different enough that I feel like it can be kept separate. If you can't kick marijuana you'll just be another Josh Gordon. The NFL policies are strict and draconian so keeping your nose clean is vital.

    Talent is tough, because everyone in the NFL is among the most talented people in the country. It is exceedingly rare to find a guy who is so far head and shoulders above the rest, and even then, they need to put in the work to be the best, there aren't any shortcuts.

    The last two are virtually irrelevant. With the way coaches change, and defenses change scheme beforehand isn't going to matter much when you're considering who to draft. it's how they fit into your future schemes that matter. Round is slightly important because if you're drafted late enough, even starting a game or two is enough to not make you a bust anymore. There are certain expectations to be had when you're taken early, but it's only important to your success in the sense that it forces your coaches to pay more attention t you since you're the new 20 million dollar cash cow as a first round guy.

     

    I like your combining of the categories...was just typing off the top of my head. I'll edit mine. Good response. The stuff in red is QFT.

  8. Posted · Edited by Warhorse

    This subject has been a beef of mine for some time. It is about what actually causes the success/failure of a player in the NFL coming in from the college draft or as a rookie FA....and what a bust actually is.

     

    Too often, I see commentary regarding a player being a "Bust", "Drafted too high", or "value pick". I absolutely loved how Chris Ballard, new GM for the Colts, responded to this line of thinking in a recent interview. His thoughts mirror my own. Watch the whole thing if you have the time, if not, watch between 6:20 and 7:00 minutes.

     

    http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/Chris-Ballard-Full-Pre-Draft-Press-Conference/a087afb8-b066-4157-9e04-2fa9cedb89f4

     

    So, here is what I am asking. Given these criteria, try and rate YOUR order of importance to the actual success of a player. Insert your number in the parenthesis:

     

    () Talent

    () Scheme after acquisition/Position placement

    () Scheme before acquisition

    () Player development in regards to technique and game skills

    () Locker room environment/Team structure

    () Outside influences/Support (family/nightlife/team city)

    () Round drafted/rookie FA

    () Good/bad luck on injuries/Conditioning staff

    () In game coaching

    () Work ethic/Drive/Character

     

    I believe that player A could go to team A and be a failure while player B could go to team B and be a success....yet switch the teams that the players go to, and the one that succeeds could fail, and vice versa. Yet we put so much on when a player was drafted. It is my opinion that "round drafted/rookie FA" is the least affecting. But when a player fails, it is nearly always the first thing mentioned....especially in regards to the players drafting slot.

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    :Cardinals:

     

    #14 - Sidney Jones, CB, Washington

     

    #42 - Jarron Jones, NT, Notre Dame

     

    #72 - Ejuan Price, OLB, Pittsburgh

     

    #119 - John Johnson, S, Boston College

     

    #155 - Delano Hill, S, Michigan

     

    #157 - Jerod Evans, QB, Virginia Tech

     

    #179 - Shock Linwood, RB, Baylor

     

    #231 - Joey Ivie, DT, Florida

     

    #239 - Ben Gedeon, LB, Michigan

    That Cards draft looks goooood.......

  11. Posted · Edited by Warhorse

    :Chiefs:

     

     

     

    Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan Michigan.gif

     

    Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee Tennessee.gif

     

    Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa Iowa.gif

     

    Duke Riley, ILB, LSU LSU.gif

     

    Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh Pittsburgh.gif

     

    Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan Michigan.gif

     

    Jon Toth, C, Kentucky Kentucky_B.gif

     

    Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan Michigan.gif

     

    Montae Nicholson, S, Michigan State Michigan_St.gif

     

    Ethan Cooper, OG, Indiana Pa Indiana_PA.gif

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  14. Posted

    Brisy Estime is 5'8" 186 lbs, but he's not going to see too many offensive snaps and could really make an impact in the return game. Easy to overlook special teams in this process but a good return man can be invaluable in manufacturing points, short fields and flipping the field in a defensive game.

    Has to not get "that hit"

  19. Posted

    This could be a key piece. He moves well for large man. It is going to end up being about his health, and effort. He has the skills to make a difference on this defense. Ohio St getting some rep on the Colts....

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