DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F

Finally got around to finishing MEA, and boy was that disappointing. Wasn't bad, but it also wasn't great.... I want the hours that I spent on that game back

I'm still of the opinion that he won't leave. Where the hell would he go? But it's not looking good right now in Cleveland either.

A lot of you guys honestly don't know how bad the Lions roster has been throughout a majority of his career.

What was the reason for this cut to begin with? Underperforming? Injuries? Cap?

The deal is supposedly official, with the Cavs getting another second. Curious to see if they package those for trades or if they use them as future investments assuming Lebron bolts.

This is the reason why I am so unwilling to further any discussion. Because somehow, someway, some of you have been disillusioned into thinking that all the black people who stand with BLM, who march against inequality want is a check from the government. To play victim. To get a free handout. To blame big bad whitey for all their problems. Just looking for excuses to be angry. Excuses to yell, "racism!". Like black people who speak up about systematic oppression and racism in this country are no different then the white SJWs who just as some of you put it, "look for reasons to be angry." That black people don't self police. That black people don't hold each other accountable, and that we spend our time simply waiting for the whites to come help us out. That when black people meet on college campuses for BSU meetings, etc, they just wallow in despair of the many ways they've been done wrong. That when myself, and others like myself go into poor black communities to recruit black kids to go to college we tell them, "you've been hurt by big bad whitey, so don't worry, if you can't go to college you get no blame, it's the fault of big bad whitey". Your views are distorted of blacks. In a way in which when a woman who works hard in her community to bring about real change, and probably spends more time in her own neighborhood trying to better her lives and people who look like her makes a post about ways whites can help blacks suffering from generational poverty, it's her asking for a handout, and encouraging blacks to do the same. And that she has no interest and probably spends no time uplifting black people in her community to do better. This tells me that you know absolutely nothing about the black community and would rather jump to conclusions based on the nonexistent knowledge you have then to actually have conversations. Otherwise you wouldn't be so gung ho on clinging to this narrative that we just talk to complain. This "conversation" isn't a way to talk about something productive. It's simply a means for you guys to express how you're tired of black people "looking for a handout". That you're tired of black people in this country, who were raped, murdered, enslaved for centuries, then raped, lynched, murdered en mass and viewed as less then humans for decades, then were the primary targets of the criminal justice business, redlining, etc, etc, etc, for decades (and in some cases to this day), whining about not being on an equal playing field as you, who has worked hard for everything you have. I'll pass on that.

I think this was the right move, things were looking spooky.

I was gonna get on here and respond to Omerta, because this is all interesting but, yea, I'll see my way out. I'm not going to be "that black guy". I'll revert back to when I'd read and wouldn't post. You guys at least help remind me that people with views like this exist.

Because it's not true. She's not 1 of the 3 founders of the organization, she's simply one of the leaders of the BLM in Louisville. It's a large, sometimes unorganized organization that is chapter-based. Most chapter based organizations that have been around forever have dysfunctions on local levels. Because BLM is not just about cops killing unarmed black people and getting away with it, it's deeper then just cop killings. This is the first thing said on their about us page. This is not a case of me picking and choosing. There's a big difference between supporting a president who has on several occasions shown that bigotry is a part of who he is, and supporting an organization that supports real, positive change. If, and when they start acting like a hate group like some people fantasize them being, I would be the first to denounce them. When I have ever done this? I don't do this, and have never done this. In the very same post you quoted I said, "some" white people. Although, if the shoe fits... But if you want to make this about white nationalists, this one I'll be blunt and cast a wide net like I did before. I assume the worst of all of them. As I do of any organization that thinks that who they are is the reason they should be above others. Additionally, it's pretty telling to me that when a white person like Blots tries to be an ally to a minority you come away with the impression that he wishes he was black himself. BLM alienates cops because if cops want to help people who are suffering from systematic oppression, they should call out and expect better from their peers and change the way they do policing. Not holding barbecues for the people who are demanding change. Because nothing she said was so egregious that BLM should have to come out and denounce it. Again, I honestly don't understand why some of you are or seem upset by what she posted. This is literally a none issue being made into one. She didn't kill anyone, or call anyone to violence, she didn't make demands, she didn't do her post through some official channel, she didn't say anything anti white (besides, throwing the word privileged around?) she simply stated her opinion. Its pretty clear that some of you guys have your minds made up about this and are on a witch hunt to find whatever ammo you can find to denounce an organization that's making real change. I am not in the business of trying to convince people who think an organization that does nothing but uplift their community without negatively attacking others is not a hate group. My goal was simply to make sure that everyone knows and understand that there is a difference between the hashtag thrown around by everyone and the actual organization. What you guys do with that is up to you. Well if you want me to be totally honest, no, I don't want a discussion. I, and many others are past that point of discussions and want real change. But the only way real change happens through addressing an issue head on and being able to openly talk about something. This becomes impossible when a specific problem gets bought up, and instead of addressing that problem, we dilute it by saying something like, "blacks aren't the only ones who get discriminated". America historically oppressing black people? Having a president who it takes collectively democrats, and republicans to get him to denounce white supremacy, only for him to change his mind again?

This is a common form of hijacking a conversation and preventing real progress from being had, and there's a name for it but I'm not smart enough to know what it is. The cool kids have started calling it "all lives mattering" a subject. Turning a specific issue into a broader issue almost to imply that 1. They are on the same scale or are equal problems, and 2. Assuming the person making the statements is so naive as to not know that the problem exists outside of one group. Doing this, effectively refocuses, distracts and diminishes the issue being discussed.

Never thought I'd say it but I pretty much agree with Stephen A. Smith on every point on this subject. This honestly was not as close as it seems. The best shot Connor landed on Floyd was that uppercut, and that honestly didn't seem like it did any damage, at all. All those jabs that actually made contact with Floyd in the first couple of rounds were kitty jabs, and Floyd definitely showed some of his age in the first couple rounds with hiccups. And he was trying to see how many rounds Connor would try to hold on, which is why he only threw like 28 punches in the first 3. With the way Connor was opening himself up with those light jabs, had this been someone else like triple g, this probably woulda been over in like 2 rounds.

Will run away with the offensive rookie of the year award (this is an overreaction).

You don't need to be a history major to understand that when a monument is created to celebrate someone's participation in maintaining racial dominance over other races, it should be removed.

This is literally a none issue being treated as an issue by talking heads who are triggered. Calling what she said on there "racist" and "bigoted" really shows the disconnect between some white people in this country and those who actually suffer from real racism. Beside her call to action against white nationalists (not even all white people), where does she even attack white people? I don't agree with all the points she made, or at least not to the extremes, but it's one person's radical opinion on how to fix problems that are deeply rooted in America's DNA. This is the perfect example of what I've been talking about. I went to the Charlottesville BLM twitter page and went all the way back to August 16th and found nothing about this post. They didn't share it, their Facebook page didn't share it, or retweet people talking about it, etc. Instead, they are sharing posts about ways people can help local organizers. The only person who said this was one of it's leaders. She didn't say she was speaking on behalf of the BLM, she didn't say she was speaking on the behalf of the BLM leaders, she didn't say she was saying this in conjecture with the organization, hell, she even threw out some hashtags at the end of her posts and none included "black lives matter". It's ok for people within an organization to have their own opinions. ​Yes, in an organization called "Black Lives Matter" that's aiming to bring radical change their will be people with radical views. But lets not act like the organization moves in ways that anti white.

I'm a little confused to how this is a bad thing? Or even something to be critical of? Are you critiquing white people for standing up on behalf of the minority? Or am I just reading too much into this?

Yea idk if this is going to help the Cavs get anywhere close to the Warriors but it definitely is a step up imo when you think of what Crowder brings to the table as well. More interesting though is the fact that many of the pieces that made last year's Celtics team good are no longer there.

I'd argue part of what gives KAJ a case for being in the top 3 all time, is the fact he was able to play at such a high level for such a long time.

You can take the approach of waiting till they step over the line if you want because not all of them are capable of being violent. But as for someone like myself with whom, "stepping over the line" could result to me and my family and friends losing our lives in church by one of those people with hatred in their hearts. I will take the rout of casting a wide net and assume the worst of all of them.

Y'all better hop on before the kenny golladay hype train leaves the station...

Robert e. Lee's monument was specifically to celebrate and honor his efforts in helping the confederacy. As is the case with every single monument in question. If there was, or is, a monument somewhere out there where George Washington is being honored for the slaves he had or his contribution to slavery then we can have this conversation. Additionally, I know a many group of black people who oppose the national anthem because of when it was written, honoring George Washington and other slave owning presidents in their communities, hell don't even celebrate 4th of July because blacks weren't free, etc. So it's not like those people don't exist. They simply don't run around demanding all these things change because they understand the difference between something made to honor someone for the good that they did, and something made to honor someone as a form of oppression and for the evil they did.

This was actually my first question when I saw that this morning. Lol.

And back to the point I made at the begining of the thread, same thing is being said from someone who has to live somewhere with these monuments in their neighborhood. https://youtu.be/P54sP0Nlngg?t=16m50s Like honestly, instead of telling everybody to develop harder skin (especially when no symbols as extreme as these exist to oppress most of you), or just stop getting affected by symbols that were erected to, in part, oppress one group of people and in other part, empower others (see: Dylan Roof, today's white supremacist who will go as far as mass murder, etc)... How about we just remove them from public property? This really is that simple. And there's no way that it's a mere coincidence that most of these monuments were erected around the turn of the 19th century, and the 50s 60s, which are key points in the civil rights fights of black people. As far as Trump's comments about Washington, and other presidents who owned slaves, that's slippery slope 101. There are several reasons that doesn't apply. Including, the basic fact that most of us can tell the difference between a monument honoring leaders of a country, and monuments honoring men who would rather die then look at blacks and other colored people as equal. These monuments that need to be removed are monuments erected to honor confederate leaders, for their service to the confederacy.

Racist white guy from the 1800s writes: "Make no mistake about it, we are superior to colored people, and this flag is our symbol." D-Mac: "The flag symbolizes racism because that's what the people who made it intended for it to be." Phill: "Stop making assumptions based off what you don't know" Congrats Phill, you've won another argument, cause I'm not doing this back and forth with you. Btw, don't tell a black person (me) about your "one black friend" and expect me to acknowledge it. That shits for the birds.

I don't buy this. The very people who birthed the flag viewed it as a symbol of white supremacy. Slavery, and the idea that God himself made whites superior to other races was the cornerstone of the south, and that flag represents it. To the south, slavery, and the power, wealth from it. This was what binded the south, and was the biggest point of pride. Choosing to ignore the history, significance, and the message of the flag to honor it, and conjure up your own fanciful reason, or half truth, means that you do not care, or actively chose to ignore what it actually means, this does not change reality. Regardless of your intentions you are actively endorsing something. Come up with whatever BS reason you want, but lets call it spades of spades. The flag is a symbol of racism in all it's iterations and honoring it (for whatever reason you can come up with) still makes you a racist. Their are a billion and one ways to show the government the middle finger and to chose that speaks volumes.

No, sometimes life is that simple. I.E. when someone tries to take a Ludacris profit making enterprise from you that is essentially the backbone of your economy. And dictates you lifestyle. You'll tell them to kick rocks, and throw a big fuck you. The great comedic irony Declaration of Causes of Seceding States