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I think Ivory is a better pure runner than Ingram. Ingram is better at catching the ball and pass protection and is an all around type of back. Ivory runs with violence which I love watching but most teams have figured out that when Ivory is in the game its going to be a run 95% of the time. At the time both Ivory and Thomas were coming off of injuries and we hadn't signed Sproles yet. There were some ball control concerns as well and Ingram coming out of college had fumbled only like twice in his career. I know, your running backs suck in Carolina

Thanks for the info, it will really come in handy. Funny you should mention that HDD as this is the one I was seriously looking at. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 My SSD and memory arrived this morning. Just more memory and a HDD and OS then I can seriously look into GPU's.

Falcons LB Sean Weatherspoon With Lofton gone Weatherspoon has stepped up as a leader and he will be looking to lead by example. Mark Ingram RB Saints I think really think if he can stay healthy that he might be able to top 1,000 yards this season even with the RB by committee the Saints have going on. Sam Bradford QB Rams Like others have said it really is his make or break year. Martez Wilson LB/DE Saints Spags has him practiing at DE and looks to him to be his Matthias Kiawanuka (sp?) for the Saints this year.

80's hair band days Eric Carr (my personal favorite) Alex Van Halen Tommy Lee Rick Allen (man had one arm and still found a way to play drums) Charlie Watts (not really 80's drummer but he was the Rolling Stones drummer) Most of the others I would mention have already been mentioned.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/08/saints-hire-former-fbi-director-to-take-top-to-bottom-look-at-organization/ Will be interesting to see what he turns up.

So I got the SSD Zack linked. It was down to $114 so I thought I better get it while it was on sale. This is the memory I got. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445 I only got one set at this time. I might order another set when I figure out which HDD I am going to get. And since it comes with a free SDCH Flash card I might look into a reader for one of those. Then all I have left is OS and video cards. Build is going over my budget of $600 to $700 but that was budgeted to getting it all at once. SO since I am buying it piece by piece I can afford to go over budget on this. Also, all the stuff I ordered on Tuesday was on my doorstep when I got home from work Wednsday night. I was shocked, I wasn't expecting it until today. Luckily for me it didn't rain and noone came snooping around my door that night.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82969c38/article/miami-dolphins-will-be-on-hbos-hard-knocks?module=HP11_headline_stack Yep

Well first off, I believe Brees franchise number is actually up to over 16.5 million a year or somewhere around there. Last I heard he and the Saints were about 2 million apart on a long term deal. And he can't sign with anyone else this year because we gave him the exclusive rights franchise tag. All he can do is work out a longterm deal,sign his franchise tender, or sit out the season.

So I just ordered the 300 case Zack linked Motherboard Zack linked Powersupply I linked DVD burner Zack linked Processer both Zack and I liked but I ordered it from newegg instead of ebay. By the time I had the balls to pull the trigger on it the CPU on ebay was gone (ended June2) but with a promotional code from newegg the same one was only $4 more so I basically got it all from newegg. Next will be a HDD,memory and SSD and probably OS if I can save up for all of it together. So now I have questions about those items. What is a good HDD, I have read reviews on some of them and it seems people love or hate all of them. As far as size 1TB would be more than enough espcially if I get a 120GSSD and probably 500GB HDD would be more to my budget and be enough to hold everything else (including mods) And also which OS should I use? Windows 7 home premium or PRO? Ultimate? I already have several choices on memory thanks to Zack and also know what I am looking for with also thanks to Zack. After those 4 items I will concentrate on video cards and extra fans and heatsinks. I did think of getting a lower SSD like a 60GB but if I put my games on the SSD then I have to think about most games nowadays use alot of GBs to install them so I think the 120 would be better for that. I did almost change the case to a Rosewill Challenger, but it didn't have a USB 3 port and since my motherboard comes with one I went ahead with the Antec 300 since it did have a USB3 port.

Vilma is sueing for defamation. Not for the appeals of his suspension. It's actually two different things. His defamation lawsuit is most likely a ploy to get some hard evidence that the NFL claims it has out in the open to prove he did this, thus if their is real hard evidence that he did then his defamation suit is likely to go away. If their isn't then it can possibly open up a whole new can of worms for the NFL and the power Roger Goodell has in office. Their was Vilmas defamation lawsuit NFLPA's grievance of who should have disciplined NFLPA's grievance of if the players can even be disciplined for actions before the new CBA NFLPA's grievance in the collusion case of the uncapped year. (Dallas and the Redskins getting railroaded) And finally the several concussion lawsuits about to hit the NFL. There is alot going on right now its hard to keep track of what arbitrator is attached to what.

A prime example would be the Kurt Warner INT and the legal hit McCray laid on him resulting in a "cart-off" or helped off the field. I would presume a "whack" is just a hard hit that the player got up from and resumed playing. But I would agree to pay more for someone being taken out of the game as opposed to just laying a good lick on them being cheaper does sound wrong. Maybe if the payments were the same the NFL wouldn't be so highstrung about it.

For the Saints I would Marques Colston and Darren Sproles. You never hear a peep out of these guys they just go out there and do their jobs. And for what its worth I completely agree with what Zack said about Tebow. He's just looking for the spotlight to spread his "message"

But is Matt Ryan under more pressure than HC Mike Smith? I mean Smith replaced his OC and DC this year and if they continue to dissappear come playoff time it might be Smith gone before Ryan.

The McKenzie hit, was first injured on a fumble recovery by the Saints http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8137ded8/Shanle-11-yd-fumble-return McKenzie is #67, he goes down right about when the fumble happens and several players from both sides basically run over him trying to get the ball. It does like Harpers knee may have clipped him in the back of the leg as he was going after Eli. On the second injury, espn says it was in the 3rd quarter http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=291018018&period=3 However I can't find video online anywhere of it but I do have it on DVD from NFL quick hits and I don't see a #67 on the line during that play. Jayrus, just playing devils advocate here but regarding cart offs and helping off, can you honestly say no Seahawks player has ever tried to take an opposing QB out of a game by hitting him hard even tho legally? Edit: Vilmas lawyer's statement about the ledger http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/02/full-text-of-statement-from-jonathan-vilmas-lawyer-regarding-bounty-ledger/

I think the Bears got better with the subtraction of Mike Martz. I think without his style of offense the Bears O-line will improve dramatically and Cutler should play better. I still think the Packers will win the division tho.

I will honestly state for the record that I was one of those people's

I hadn't planned on doing too much else to it for awhile after I got it built. I can more afford the 2 cheaper GPU's as to the one and then saving to get another one. Only problem is by the time I do save to get another one they might already be out of stock. GPU's will probably be the last thing I get anyways so I have time to think on this.

Here is the actual Yahoo article http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--sources--new-orleans-saints-kept-a--ledger--detailing-weekly-earnings-in-bounty-scandal.html;_ylt=AnUcd680MJWxA4bBtZowhfs5nYcB . Let the bolded statement show that a "cart-off" doesn't necessarily mean actually carted off the field, just helped off. Anyone from the Giants who can tell me who got "carted off"? Only injury I remembered was to Guard Kareem Mckenzie and he had a groin pull. Did the Saints cause that? Thanatos, I know you can help me with this one cause the only injury I remember from that game was Thomas Davis's ACL where he went down with noone around him. You might be able to remember who else got injured in that game. Yet another unnamed source and he/she can't even remember which game he/she is even talking about. I don't deny the Saints had a pay for performance system in place, I just don't believe it was a pay to deliberatly injure system like the NFL is claiming. Jayrus I agree that $1000 is alot to some of these players espcially as it was tax free and under the table. Every little but helps as they say. I won't deny that.

what exactly is bottlenecking your system? I have heard this term alot in looking at things. I didn't know if a higher end GPU would work with an older processor or not which is why I chose the cheaper one. I had read somewhere where the Phenom II quad core was actually better for gaming than the Athlon II six core series and the FX 4100 quad core series which is why I chose that one. I had actually picked out seperate RAM that was 4x4GB or 2x4GB and I think the timing was 8-8-8-24. I noticed the ebay one that came with the Ram and thought I would see what others think. I may go back and find the other RAM I had picked out. It was like 59.97 for 2x4GB and I think it was G-Skill. Got a free SDCH card with it even tho I didn't plan on buying a reader for it.

Okay that ebay computer am not getting, didn't notice the reserve price and he bumped up his overall buy now price. I am looking at this on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-AMD-Phenom-II-x4-965-Black-EdItion-ASUS-M5A97-Corsair-Vengeance-8gb-/360460426089?pt=US_Motherboard_CPU_Combos&hash=item53ed1d9b69 When I compared to newegg prices its fairly similar but the newegg motherboard is openboxed. I am strongly considering the 300 case that Zach refered me too as well as the DVD burner but it seem somepeole say it won't run with windows 7 so I am hoping some of you can confirm this or deny this for me. I was looking at this power supply as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182072 and this video card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908 I know I am bumping this but let me know what you guys think

Where did I put my credit card?!?!?!?!?!?! Actually the guy said it was a gimmick to hopefully get them talking. He said he knows Brees isn't going to accept the money so it goes to the Brees foundation charity whatever they come up with. I read it the other day and was just like yeh thats gonna work. It is a good cause for charity tho.

To compare the 2000 Ravens defense to a 2012 Jaguars defense that hasn't even played a game is whats laughable.

This is true, I don't think he can actually convince a court that Goodell was intentionally malicious. This is just one way for evidence to potentially be brought forth. @Jaysus, I'm sorry us Saints fans are idiots for not believing that Pay for Performance is also Pay to Injure. This what Goodell says. He says he has proof that we were paying to injure. Well he must have a ledger or something written down with dates and proof of payments to individuals performing these acts because he sure as hell doesn't have any video evidence of it. Yes Gregg Williams speech was bad, but as has been said before in the game after said speech nothing untoward was done to 49'er players. Saints committed no penalties in that game. Plus the new CBA states players can't be punished for acts happening before the current CBA. Yet Goodell is doing just that by mentioning the playoff games in 2009 as proof of program. In fact those are the only acts he are mentioning. He has nothing for the 2011 season which is the only season he can uses against us according to the new CBA. NFL has shown little evidence and what evidence that has been shown has been shredded to pieces by public media (not just in New Orleans).

If he would have made the XP we would have gone to OT with a playoff spot on the line.

Kim's calling Reggie right now. "So, um, what are you doing for the next few months? Want to get back together?"