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Times change, but BC doesn't. Once a cunt, always a cunt. (love you tho lmao)

We are asking for you guys to nominate and decide which players you want to see on your teams skin. Please try to pick cornerstone-esquee pieces to your team. Otherwise, guys you can actually envision being with the team for the long term. So try to find guys with some contract security. Maybe stay away from the super religious types. The attention whores aren't exactly the safest bet. And diva types aren't well recommended either as who knows when the team will want to cut ties. In other words, I am sorry Eagle fans but you are not getting Tim Tebow. As well as posting 2 players for your own team, please nominate 2 players for the main banner (not just from your own team but league-wide). We will collectively figure out the teams who don't have fans represented here at a later time. Thanks. Player Selections Main - Aaron Rodgers & JJ Watt Patriots Jets Bills -- Fred Jackson and Sammy Watkins Dolphinks Bengals -- AJ Green and Reggie Nelson Steelers -- Big Ben & Troy Polamalu Ravens Browns Colts Titans -- Air McNair and Keith Bullock Jaguars -- Fred Taylor and Jimmy Smith Texans -- JJ Watt and DeAndre Hopkins Broncos -- DT and Von Miller Chiefs Chargers Raiders -- Bo Jackson?? and Charles Woodson Eagles Cowboys -- Romo and Dez Giants -- The Gap Tooth and Osi Redskins -- Ryan Kerrigan and Trent Williams Packers -- Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb Bears -- Walter Payton ??? and Brian Urlacher Vikings -- Xavier Rhodes and Anthony Barr Lions Panthers -- Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly Saints Bucs -- Warren Sapp and Mike Evans Falcons Seahawks Cardinals Rams 49ers - NaVarro Bowman and Eric Reid

If you are reading this, you are on the current version of TGP with our new host! Starting with the "bad" news. We did lose roughly 50 posts or so, just because our most recent database upload was from roughly 3 PM yesterday. Unfortunately, those posts are gone and are never to be retrieved as they are stored on databases with our previous host. With that said, this hosting swap came with probably the least amount of trouble that we have ever had up to this point with changing hosts -- especially from the members perspective. We had virtually 0 downtime like we thought could happen originally, which is fantastic. And of course, the shoutbox is back! We may still work through a few things here and there, so please remain patient. Big shout out to Vin for being awesome and working the databases like a based god. Somebody (or everybody) buy him an alcoholic beverage.

The White House is now pressuring Senate Republicans to include a check to Americans in the stimulus bill. Probably smaller than 1200 but it's something.

Supposedly Yang is gauging interest of voters in New York if he were to run to replace Bill DeBlasio in NY. He's been testing (with voters) running as either a Democrat or an Independent. Daddy Yang is my only hope.

LMAO Nancy Pelosi is supporting and trying to push through a 900 B dollar stimulus that has no checks going out to Americans after denying the REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSES offer of 1.8 TRILLION . Holy fucking shit. This has to be a joke lmao

Biden picks a Wall Street insider to lead the department of management and budget... Biden looking at Abby Finkenauer for Secretary of Labor. Abby was a one term congresswoman here in Iowa. She won, literally went on a year long media tour talking about how awesome she was. Did nothing the entire time but worship the ground Pelosi walked on...Did the congressional debate against her republican challenger and was made to look like a FOOL. She had very little to no grasp on actual issues or policy. If you didn't know she was a member of congress, you would have never guessed she was. Baffling that she is even being looked at. This could be one of the words cabinets in modern Presidential history.

Also.. Biden is looking at a lot of fossil fuel guys for climate change positions... for whatever reason. Rep. Cedric Richmond who is expected to fill multiple roles, including liason on climate issues -- This guy is a representative in LA's district known as "cancer alley" for how polluted it is and he's done nothing. It's literally the most polluted congressional district in America... Gas and oil are huge donors of his. John Kerry as Envoy on Climate -- He's at least worked with climate change 'stuff" in the last few years but ... he's very right leaning on a lot of issues. Supports fracking, pollution trading schemes and loopholes, etc. Very old school and dated view on climate change. I guess the US is going to rejoin the climate accord and just give the impression they are going to care about the climate? Ernest Moniz as Secretary of Energy -- he held the same position under Obama IIRC. He isn't officially been placed yet but is on the "very short list". Yet another fossil fuel guy... Dude sits on the board of oil companies, has constantly sided with them on climate legislation and given them loopholes to do as they please with the false appearance of helping the climate. This guy is like 70 years old and his ENTIRE CAREER is built on the fossil fuel industry. His company literally wrote a paper telling California that the best way to reach their energy goals was to continue using fossil fuels lmao. This guy isn't a lock yet, but if he is... Why? Purely based on the people he is surrounding himself with: Biden on Climate: HORRIBLE Biden on Foreign Policy: HORRIBLE Biden on Stabalizing the Economy during Pandemic: HORRIBLE This fucking blows so far. I better get osme Andrew Yang because I can't tell if trump is even leaving office with the names Biden is putting out there.

Change his rhetoric more. Wish he would've gone after the establishment candidates more than he did. He had a really good ad against Biden but I think they really only ran it once, or like.. one run through of it because the establishment and establishment voters HATED HIM for attacking Biden on his shit record. Then at the debates he was always so friendly.. " My good friend Joe Biden" . Uh no. It's bizarre how you push a certain tone and rhetoric at your rallies then when it comes to the debates and facing the people directly responsible for the issues you want to fix... Call them your friend and talk about how great they are. He has no killer instinct. He talks a big game but doesn't act on it. EDIT: And that's just one more recent example. He literally bent the knee to Hillary in 2016 right. Fine. He lost, probably had it stolen from him.. whatever. But not only does he go around campaigning for her, but then he allows her to talk shit about him for like 4 years. He and his supporters were blamed for Hillary's poor showing, that they didn't do enough, that he wasn't part of the team, etc He says nothing about it. She comes back at him in 2020 says she can't get on board with Bernie very publicly 00 literally trying to ruin his campaign . She coincidentally decided to speak up RIGHT BEFORE voting started during the primaries. He again just let her talk. He's a jelly fish. Spineless except when he isn't up against any visible threat. It's disheartening, unfortunate. Sad. So what could've he done? A lot.

Forbes: Biden Privately Pushing for Smaller Stimulus Bill *sigh*

Also, the nations biggest fears have mostly come true... at least early on. Biden's national security team has been appointed and is indeed led by some of the country's most dangerous war criminals in our history. People like Blinken and Michele Flournoy have been involved in every conflict the US has jumped into since around Clinton's administration. As well as been huge cogs in legislation that argue America must be able to constantly fight countless endless wars. It's naive to think they will all of a sudden change, but we can only hope. Hindsight is 20/20, but Trump may just have been better.

No it wasn't. His other option was him leading the revolution he promised. lol. Why is that not even remotely considered. This wasn't just a Biden v Trump campaign for years. Biden has only been the nominee since like.. April? Bernie's had 8 years to do something...He's been preaching about this for 8 years... lol. He's a coward, and not a leader. It doesn't just all boil down to the most recent 6 months that you selectively want to look at.

It's also subverting democracy when you bend the knee to the establishment. Instead of leading the revolution you promise, you lure your followers into the kiln for slaughter. He's not wrong, but I can't take him seriously on anything. He's a phony. Anyway...

Good: Biden apparently is looking at Yang for Commerce Secretary or a new technology Secretary Role. Bad: Bernie threw his own name into consideration for Labor Secretary (kind of sad and pathetic after Biden's team said multiple times they don't want him lmao) Ugly: Hillary being considered for Ambassador to the UN.

Pfizer says their vaccine is showing 90% efficiency and could be made available before the end of the year.

The problem with Democrats winning the Senate by a small number (or 50/50 with a Harris tie) was always that they were going to need to coax Manchin on every. single. vote. Not a great start for Democrats.

Ya, that’s what I’m worried about. Depression is up, suicides are up, domestic abuse is up, child abuse is up... how far we are going to go to “ get rid of the virus “ is going to be interesting. Especially when we’ve gotten so much better at testing and treating coronavirus . During the first spike, the US had 2000 deaths a day. During this last spike we were at 800 a day. The new team won’t need to implement a plan until late January though so who knows what we’re looking at by then EDIT: And let me clarify. I am not saying do nothing different / extra. I would assume a nationwide mask mandate is going to be heavily considered / put in place. Only thing with that is, I think it would be mostly for show. I know Iowa is a small state, but we've been ravaged by the virus... We don't have a mask mandate, but I'd say a good 85-90% of people wear masks anyway pretty much everywhere. I am interested to see what the plan is beyond that though. The CDC has said that the two biggest places for transmission are work and small gatherings of friends & family. What are are gonna do? National lockdown? Tell neighbors and others to go full stasi and report people to the police? Not saying that's gonna happen,. just reiterating that I would like to know what logically comes after nationwide mask mandate.

Bware, you may just your way with extremist muslims. Biden's rumored cabinet front runners are very pro war/conflict. Biden has been a lot more... firm? on engaging the enemy, regardless of who it may be. Doesn't mean anything will happen per se. I hope he's learned from backing stupid wars like going into Iraq.... But only time will tell. In other news. Biden is supposed to announce his COVID team tomorrow, which... will say a lot. Supposedly Obama's surgeon general (Vivek Murphy) will be co-chairing the committee. He's promised economic recovery as one of his four pillars / priorities (with COVID response, racial disparity, and climate change). I am interested to hear how he/his team of scientists propose we both get stronger on the virus and the economy.

Both sides have seen increases to their popular vote %, Biden over Clinton by roughly 2.5 I think and Trump by 1.5%. Gap between Trump/Hillary was 2% in Hillary's favor. Biden is ahead by 3%. 3rd Party presidential support very very low compared to 2016 also which is worth noting. So I guess I see what you're saying. I would still contend though that overall I think it will be easier for republicans to retains some of those votes compared to the democratic party. But we will see, loooong way to go. and like you, I am pretty sick and tired of polls. lol.

I think it's a huge sign of something. Both sides were extremely motivated to vote. And I do think it's going to be easier for the GOP to maintain some of that motivation going into 2024. I could totally be wrong, I mean... we're 4 years out, a lot can happen Ha. But people came out in droves to vote against Trump. I don't totally understand what you are asking about the GOP %, but they did have massive registration surges going into the election (as did Democrats). I'm glad progressives could take a back seat to get rid of Trump, but at some point they need to fight back against the Biden's of the party. As mentioned previously, I do think Trump has moved Republicans considerably towards the middle of the political spectrum. Voter wise, I am talking. Obviously there are still super deep conservatives out there and super right politicians as well. There is a huge political shift / realignment happening from a voter level in my eyes across the board. AOC just did an interview with the NY Times and was not exactly optimistic about how progressives are seen within government, so again.. I say edge Republicans until they prove they are indeed moving further right again. “The last two years have been pretty hostile. Externally, we’ve been winning. Externally, there’s been a ton of support, but internally, it’s been extremely hostile to anything that even smells progressive.” How both parties go into 2024 is going to be very interesting to me. I don't think democrats can rely on this corporatist, almost Republican, model they beat Trump with. And if progressives ever find their spines, there will be a reckoning. The GOP on the other hand has to pick if they follow this Trumpian centrist / populist type or revert back to super hardcore right. Hardcore right is obviously the wrong choice. Politico has a list of Biden cabinet "frontrunners" and I am not going to lie... it scares me seeing some of those names. Lots of them LOVE war. Doesn't mean anything is going to happen, but... I am not confident. Only positive I take out of this moment is that I think Biden brings the overall fever of the country down... back into it's sanity (which is ironic, considering he is losing his). It will be nice to have a more "presidential" President. I also expect a big 100 days, but again... I don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

Regardless of what anyone wants to say , Trump realigned the Republican Party and probably (in the long run) it’s for the better. Trump was hardly conservative on most issues. Way more populist / moderate on most things except COVId which definitely sunk his campaign. im just afraid Democrats view beating Trump as some huge win and thus stop fighting for real change. If they go into 2024 with the same strategy , they will lose. It wasn’t a huge gain, but Trump / GOP had 5 million more votes than last time and siphoned more of the votes from people of color. Not great signs for Democrats. Especially considering there was no real blue wave like predicted. This was basically 2016 all over again just with role reversal. Anti Hillary voters got Trump elected, anti Trump voters got Biden elected. Data is preliminary naturally, but I think this is supported by polling showing that roughly 2/3 of all Biden voters are saying that “ he isn’t Trump “ is their #1 reason for voting for him. You’ll get some of that just voting down party line but roughly 25% voted for Trump just because he isn’t Joe Biden. That’s a massive difference. Americans are still searching for somebody who will change the game.

Holding the American people hostage because you don't get every single thing you wan't is not an excuse. I am not saying the Mnuchin 1.8T is perfect, I am not saying it's a magic wand. But people NEED THAT RELIEF. Why give a check to the American people without money for the post office? Fuck youuuuuu. lmao. If this doesn't get done, which it likely won't... Trump isn't gonna do shit during lame duck because he's a loser and going to be busy whining and crying... People aren't getting relief until FEBRUARY maybe. Fuck that evil witch. She's a disgusting pig. Also, she was on CNN today and went after Wolf Blitzer for asking her the tough question. She was calling him a GOP stooge lmao. What. A. Cunt.