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No...you take other scientists words for it lol. "This term is typically used when addressing education policy and curriculum choices in schools to improve competitiveness in science and technology development. It has implications for workforce development, national security concerns and immigration policy.[2] The science in STEM typically refers to two out of the three major branches of science: natural sciences, including biology, physics, and chemistry, and formal sciences, of which mathematics is an example, along with logic and statistics; the third major branch of science, social sciences, including psychology, sociology, and political science, are categorized separately from the other two branches of science, and are instead grouped together with humanities and arts to form another counterpart acronym named HASS - Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences." Where you at now smart ass ?

Yes I am aware of what a psychologist is. No, it isnt. if you have to split hairs between empirical and not then it isnt. Either it is one or it isnt. No, when you say psychology, you are referring to psychology. That is how the english language works. All these sub divisions you talked about that are crossed with an actual science, are things you didnt say, and your quote doesnt illustrate it either. If you want to specify those fields as empirical sciences fine, THEN FUCKING SAY IT. We are not your wife, and we dont infer what you mean. What about god, how is that for a higher purpose ?

And lets not pretend that STEM is a definitive guide for what is a science as really all STEM is, is a government program created to increase competition for government grants. Psychology by the definition you said you meant but didnt say is considered a natural science because of their derivations from a natural science. That said psychology is not a natural science, thus the academic world is still largely against considering it a science because it has results that can often not be reproduced, and they certainly cant be reproduced with the regularity consistent with legitimate sciences.

Loyalty- to what and whom? Service to country- Sure. As long as the country is morally sound. I don't subscribe to service to country merely because its my country. A higher purpose above yourself- Given that you've already stated you don't really care about other people besides your family, this strikes me as rather funny. Humility- lol. "I'm killing the game." You're the last person to be talking about being humble, bud. First lets get this out of the way. You said psychology is a science, it isnt. Glad you can admit that Second, you name all the subsets of it that are derived from actual sciences like I said, neuroscience, biology, and orthopedics. If not for those actual scientific fields, it would be bullshit. psychology on its own is not a science. nor has it ever been. However when you do cross training in something sciency....like neuro science then it gives it legitimacy. But you didnt say that did you? You said psychology. In your original post you said psychology. You did not mention the subsets that require extra schooling because they are actual sciences. A neuro-psychologist has to go to school for longer because psychology in it of itself is not going to give you some incredible insight into the mind. Psychologists are their to listen and push drugs. Only after I pressed you did you come up with these sections of psychology that are crossed with sciences which proves my point. No, you literally never laid it out like you just did. Im not lying and dont accuse me of it just because you are asshurt, bud. Just to reiterate. PSYCHOLOGY BY ITSELF IS NOT A SCIENCE. IT HAS TO BE CROSSED WITH AN ACTUAL SCIENCE BEFORE YOU GET TO CALL IT THAT. A higher purpose above myself, is my family. Just because I dont care about the rest of you does not mean I have no higher purpose. And with people like you, you cant be humble. You walk on people who are so humble they wont call you on your bullshit.

Haha no sweetie, you really just contradict yourself that often. I cant count how many times you have said your not a liberal, and love to tout your record of never having voted for a democrat. Then now all of the sudden you are a liberal. Quote me where I personally attacked you. You cant, because I didnt. The irony in you saying someone twisted words lol See ladies and gentleman this is what we call misdirection. He could not dsipute my facts of psychology not being a science with anything other than, "I said so." I call him out on it, and then he goes on a long tirade telling me to grow up and personally trying to attack me because he cant prove his point. Then I point out he has contributed nothing to substantiate his claim, and then he keeps on going not supporting it. Then he makes up an erroneous argument about him not putting a hyphen means he is not getting all hurt about this. Not buying it. You wouldnt be so quick to get personal if you didnt lol. Quote where I shit on trans people. You cant. Because I didnt. This is another classic Thanatos technique. Say something that isnt true, and try to claim the moral high ground even though it was something that never happened. This is Hillary 101, which is where he got it. I will probably be a Russian asset next. Yes things like family first, loyalty, service to country and a higher purpose above yourself, humility, all things that I hope dont run counter to you. If they do, its not to late to make a change. And for the record, no bullshit, I do like you. Ha no, its not valid nor has it ever been. I didnt say it was a science in that post at all. I said it had to be somewhat useful, and that it nailed you down perfectly, it did lol. Why dont you just admit you were wrong about psychology being a science and be done with it. You have danced around any which way but doing it, is being right that important to you lol ?

Although they "psychology" have to be somewhat useful because while researching this, I stumbled on an article that nailed you down perfectly. "Apologies, unlike admissions of wrongdoing, invariably involve the fact that there's an identifiable victim. It’s important to the victim, Lewicki and his collaborators point out, for transgressors to take ownership of the harmful action, even though it might make them seem incompetent or dishonest. This is yet another key reason to admit to wrongdoing — it shows that you respect the people who were affected by your actions. It can be the ultimate expression of egocentrism, or even narcissism, to focus only on your own self-image and how it is harmed by violation of competence or integrity expectations held by others toward you. Instead, by admitting the wrongdoing, you show that you value them as much — or more than — you value your own need to seem infallible." https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201703/the-mindset-makes-it-hard-admit-youre-wrong

Haha never said anything about shitting on trans people lol. This is hilarious at this point. You can't make a point or refute my original statement so you have to personally insult someone, because your points don't stand alone. This is pure Thanatos 101. You say I'M not good at debating, but you can't even fucking stick to the topic because your points are that flimsy. I'm glad other people are seeing this, you are killing your own mystique. Also, you have said before that this country has no liberals, but you just refer to yourself as one. So which is it? Do we or don't we? Or is it nuanced lol? As for killing the game referring to internet points alone, why do you look at things so black and white? Haha. This is great. Thanks for the latest episode of " A swing and a miss."

Hahahahahahahaha you telling me how the world works lol....hahahahahahaha. Yeah I'm kinda Killin the game, so I'm going to keep doing me. If where I'm at is not growing up, I'm good with it lol. It's going to be awesome when Negatron comes out to play lol

Ahhhh, more of you not making a point. Keep playing the game playa. For a guy who fancies himself the smartest guy in the room, you are predictable to the rest of us knave's lol Is it nuanced or do you just bend things you say to fit your current narrative, even though you contradict yourself lol. I told you, I have you figured out, you're not surprising anyone lol. Keep trying.

Yes it CANNOT be a science is my point. You made my point, thanks. And there is absolutely nothing in my statement that is false, and you know it. You cant point it out and back it up so you just say there is no point. I have long known you are incapable of admitting your wrong, so it becomes nuanced, or in this case, there is no point. Nothing wrong with your game playa, I just know what you're doing. I do it better. But hey continue doing you.

It's not the first time you've gotten something backwards I guess.

The ACTUAL science of the brain is called neurology. Psychology is pretty much the study of feelings.

This is not an agree or disagree as you say. You can't use the scientific method in psychology. The outcomes vary wildly and the results are not repeatable. One person gets seen by a psychologist and it helps, others won't. It is a guessing game. An educated guess to be sure, but there are no two people who react the exact same way to anything or any treatment. And the the outcomes can't be reproduced. This is the Crux of the scientific method. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/reproducibility-explainer/ The only people who think psychology is a science are people who are trying to win an argument using science, and psychologists. This is a debate that has raged forever and that's the beautiful part. If there is a debate that's how you know it isn't. NOBODY argues biology is not a science, because it clearly is. Psychology and philosophy are just people guessing at how we think, and often wrong.

Leave Blots out of this. And yeah. She is desperate, she is just saying crazy shit now to see what hits a cord. She is done, but she will never shut up because she is an entitled piece of shit

No...men don't use tampons lol.

Just as an interjection here, psychology is not a science, and there is no such thing as scientifically trans. "Unlike “sex”, gender does not have a basis in science, although it is affected by the biological and physiological characteristics we display as “males” and “females”. Instead, gender is based on the societal constructions and belief systems put in place that deal with masculinity and femininity. The gender identity that most people adhere to is usually unconscious, or forced upon us at an early age. We see the concepts of gender in the colors assigned to children (blue for boys, pink for girls), the common length of our hair (men-short, women-long), the toys we play with, the jobs we aspire to, and the behaviors and interests we are “supposed” to embrace." https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/what-is-the-difference-between-sex-and-gender.html Again trans people can do them thing is all well and good. However, let's be honest. All science says is that gender dysphoria is an illness of the mind. It does not scientifically support it as a valid biological state of being. Psychology is far from a A science. It is as much a science, and arguably as important as philosophy, so you don't get to claim your stance as scientific here.

Strongly disagree. As long as there is hope of upward mobility and possibly getting wealthy and elevating your offspring to a better starting platform than you had, so they can elevate their children, and you can retire in comfort with the ones you love, their is an American dream. I don't want to hear how it is dead. I've done it, so it can be done. And to me that's all I can really ask for. My kids are getting great educations, I am a successful business owner, and I have an amazing wife and kids. I have zero complaints.

It won't surprise anyone here I don't think but did you guys hear about Netflix. Trump and his faithful are so asshurt about jokes, Netflix will let you skip them lol. Is this the new censorship of comedy? God both parties are so fucking pathetic. They are both whiny, lazy, entitled, cry baby pussies. This country is going to the shitter unless we get some strong 3rd party peeps into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It isn't though. To me there is no argument. A vast majority of the time they are the same thing. Me and Razor most likely disagree on that but I would hardly say we are at each other's throats.

We agree We agree I kind of sort of disagree with them being different. Is it one hundred percent accurate, not usually. That said most men who identify that way share a lot of similar traits both physically and mentally. So yeah the 40's and 50's defined a lot of the roles, but a lot of it is true. That is why most mechanical fields are male dominated. And most nurturing professions are dominated by women. They are biological imperatives, that have exceptions and we try to paint those as the rule. They are not. See I can buy that thing about feminists. Either fight for the rights of all women or none, or shut the fuck up. But being a guy they aren't listening to you. As far as the pronouns, I'm fine with him/her/they for reasons you said. That said what is a Zim and how do you know you are like them. You don't, you just made it up. I don't buy that. We agree on the rest except why they committ suicide. I can't tell you why they do. What I can tell you is that one study says that a large portion of trans people that are young that are left alone without transitioning or conversion therapy turn out to just be gay men. So I don't know man, it's just odd and I'm tired of people pretending that this is just all Willy Nilly easy to answer and if it isn't you're a bigot or some nonsensical dumb shit.

So you're agreeing there are problems in dealing with the trans community and integrating them into everything ? As to calling them whatever they yeah sure. I'll call them him/her, their name, and so on. After that though if you come at me with some Zim/Zir shit I'll just ignore you and move on. I'm not participating in that dumb shit. We don't need to speak. And let's be real I'm 6'2" and in shape. The only place someone is "calling me out for being an asshole" is on the internet. People are waaaaaay to chicken shit to stand up for themselves much less other.

Well for starters let's talk sports. Is it fair a guy can roll off the couch and reset women's power lifting records? Is it fair that a lifelong dude can beat the fuck out of chicks. Is it fair that women's cycling is now being dominated by a man? Is it really intelligent to say there are no biological advantages kept by men after only 2 years on hormones? Are we going to pretend that gender fluidity is real? How far do we let this go? Ironically feminists are speaking out against trans people and calling for a trans exclusionary feminist movement. Are we going to pretend this Zim/Zer nonsense is a thing? I mean if you believe in any of this there is no point in a discussion. I am all for living your best life, but some shit is just horseshit and we are made to stay silent. Are we going to pretend 8 year olds can decide their genders? Are we really going to change the chemical compositions of their brains ? Are we going to pretend almost half of people who undergo sexual confirmation surgery regret it, and NEARLY ALL have suicidal ideation. If you don't think there's questions you're part of the problem.

We're certainly going to find out about the AFC tonight. The Ravens are damn near fully healthy and have two weeks to prepare, if they don't get it done tonight they can't.

Oh yeah, that I will agree with. But things like this always boil down to expectations. Are we expecting zero homophobia? I mean ideally that would be nice, but a lot has changed very quickly. I mean just look at this place. Not even 5 years ago "fegit", "faggot", "queer" were common soubriquet around here. I was on hiatus when you guys had the mean culpa on not saying it anymore, but the rule is there none the less. There is going to be bad things all the time. Being white in Harlem is not ideal, being blank in Mississippi is probably not ideal, bring straight in Seattle is not cool, being gay in Alabama could be a problem. I don't think this means that you can generalize the US has homophobia, or racist, or any of that other shit as easily as we like to these days.

It definitely does. I think homophobia is extremely over played. I think now trans people catch hell and some of them should. There is a lot of questionable things about trans people.