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  1. 11 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

    As the most anti-war candidate in the race, the Clintons and their goons would be taking losses in the tens of millions with a Gabbard presidency. Which is probably why Hillary feels the need to attack her right now. It's good for business. 

    Shouldn't be long before Gabbard dies of "suicide".

    If she did that Hillary would die. She had too many military followers who are devoted to her. She would get got.


  2. Haha ok man. He was a racist, or he just like blaming white people for his problems. He does one thing and that makes him not racist.  He had all black cabinets and mayor's, and police chiefs in Baltimore,  and his district still sucked. And it was because of white people. The fuck outta here with that nonsense.

    You will miss him. I won't.

    And you found a way to turn this into trump. Is that like a weird whataboutism?


  3. DeCosta hit it out of the park here. I loved Ozzie, but he was faaaaaar to conservative but God damn could he draft. 

    DeCosta hit pretty well in the draft and this is the kind of move we were hoping for as fans. Now if he can fleece another team for a solid pass rusher we are set.


  4. 5 minutes ago, BwareDWare94 said:

    One side being clearly better than the other used to be the truth. Now the left just has better promises. Problem is, there's no budgetary feasibility that comes with those promises that doesn't involve taxing the shit out of the middle class. The right says, "hang on a minute, we can't possibly afford that" and then they all get thrown in the same bowl as someone like Mitch McConnell, who I consider the worst of the worst hard right. 

    He doesn't have as much pull, but Allen West is a scary motherfucker.


  5. 21 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

    I'm really not hard left. Nowadays in the US if you believe in climate change being a real threat, people being equal under the law, and everyone having a right to healthcare, you're labeled as such. The US has far right and center parties compared to the rest of the world. And their far right party is led by a criminal who admitted to a crime on national TV and people still find a way to handwave it away. The GOP's utter capitulation and defense of Trump, no matter what he does, is going to destroy them.

    You are definitely hard left. That's ok man, just own it. 

    And why do people care what other countries do. Thank God were not them.


  6. 3 hours ago, Thanatos said:

    Issues are not purely black and white, Ngata, cmon. I know you know better than this. "Our troops need to go home" does not mean we should drop everything we are doing right now and get everyone home immediately. We need to be working towards that end, preparing for that end. That's my main issue with our foreign policy. We have no end-game.

    Not even Trump is pure black and white. I have supported what he has done in the past- such as getting us out of the TPP- so this immediately puts the lie to your statement that if he passed universal healthcare I'd be against it. 

    Whataboutism is a liberal buzzword? It has nothing to do with liberal/conservative. It's been around long before now, since back in the 1970s. Whataboutism is simply the common name for the tu quoque fallacy- you are being hypocritical because x person did the same thing or something of similar nature. Now Trump supporters have been using this fallacy for quite a long time now, "But her emails!" is a classic example. So yeah, right now the left uses it more, but that's because the right is led by a fucking liar and a lunatic who uses it himself and causes all the little cultists who support him to use it as well. 

    Sucks when the right has to use "alternative facts" because reality is not on their side, but that's what has been going on ever since Trump won.

    If we have no end game why not call the boys home until we have a competent foreign policy? So we have no end game right now so we should keep perpetuating the dumb shit until we get one? That makes no sense to me.

    Not all issues are black and white. Most are. That is the beauty of right and wrong. We shouldnt be over there by any reasonable standard and continuing to do so just because people are going to die doesn't mean we have to keep fucking up. Where is the outrage for Eritrea, Uganda, and all the other shit hole places we are in where people die everyday because of Muslim extremists? There isn't because the truth is most people don't give a shit. More people die per day in countries like Africa because of extremism and warlords, even after the US has tried to prop up the opposition. We just can't anymore. Whether it's Africa or Syria we can't keep solving Europe's problems at our expense.

    Yes The you also fallacy has been a political staple for years, BUT, the left has been using it at a prolific pace. They talk about corruption like it's exclusive to the Republican party, and when the Republicans defend themselves it's whataboutism, and vice versa. 

    All politics and both sides use alternate facts. But I guess that's whataboutism too. Look no further than the hit piece the new york times put out on Gabbard calling her supporters white supremacists and neo Nazis

     


  7. 9 hours ago, Thanatos said:

    I'm not walking back any statements, I know you have more intelligence than this. A 5 year old could understand there is nuance in the statement "I want our troops to come home." That does not literally mean everyone should instantly pack up their bags and come home, that's simply not a feasible way to operate in this world. Quit playing dumb.

    It's textbook whataboutism. "How come Trump did this crazy thing?" "How come Obama/Clinton did it?" It doesn't answer the question, it simply avoids it. Favre answers the question and adds to it. I would argue he's still not quite seeing it like I am- Trump has escalated this way beyond anything Obama did, IMO- but he at least acknowledges the issue.

    At some point you leave, sure. And apparently that point is right after telling our allies to get rid of their defenses so they're vulnerable to Turkey's invasion. Completely lying to our allies and leaving them to die is totally what we always do. Totally makes sense. Cmon, dude. You're just being silly at this point because you refuse to admit you're wrong here.

    Tell me, truthfully. The following scenario: The Kurds have defensive fortifications up to stall any Turkish attack. The US tells them, "We are trying to negotiate with Turkey. As part of negotiations, they want you guys to tear down the defenses because that way it doesn't look like you're preparing for war." And then over the past two months, they do just that. We also gave Turkey information about the airspace surrounding the region and intel on the cities. And then, the President of the US meets with the dictator of Turkey and the US troops fall back leaving the Kurds wide open to a Turkish invasion. An invasion where soldiers are being executed in the street, where political leaders are being ambushed and killed by Turkish military forces.

    This is scenario A. This is what happened. Versus scenario B. The US informs the Kurds they will be leaving so they need to be ready for a Turkish attack. They give them ample warning so they can rebuild the defenses they tore down as per our instructions. Perhaps we help them do so. Then we leave. 

    And you are seriously arguing for A?

    I agree they need to be able to fight on their own, but we didn't give them half a chance. We sold them out to Trump's buddy. In neither scenario are US troops in grave danger. You keep talking like they were actively in harm's way. I suppose by virtue of simply being over there they are more likely than us to get hurt, but there wasn't an active invasion going on until we fell back. 

    You also keep bringing up the soldiers that were there. Every news organization I have read about this disaster-in-progress has said the military officers and special forces that are currently there have said they are "extremely upset" "dismayed" and other similar quotes.

    Yes you walked it back. You do this ALL THE TIME. You will make a blanket statement, it happens and you don't like it, so you do the Thanatos special. It's, "nuanced" , cut the shit. If someone else did it you would sing from the mountain tops, but since it's Trump it's always going to be bad. He himself could implement universal healthcare, and you would hate it. Then it would become " nuanced" lol. 

    First let's call whataboutism what it is. A liberal buzzword anytime someone brings up historical context. Here is where it gets real stupid. People will bring up something historical or say something is unprecedented and when you try to show them it isn't, boom whataboutism. Such a stupid argument used by morons. Then the dumbest part. To shame the inadequacies of their own arguments, they just fucking make up words.

    Of course it's an issue. I am well aware, but if anyone thinks shady middle eastern deals started with Trump, or that he is even the worst, they're a fucking moron who lacks any knowledge of what's gone in there.

    Your assuming option B is an option. Militarily the Kurds are terrible. They have the Peshmerga and that's it. Their defenses would have fallen within a couple days regardless. That is what is being lost here with no American help they fall 72 hours regardless.  Was it shitty what he did? Yeah. Do I give a shit if it gets us out of the middle East? Nope not a bit. Now if only we could exit Yemen and get the fuck out if the shit hole known as the middle East. If it were not for oil they would be the most ass backwards place on the planet.

    51 Americans have died for absolutely nothing while spending a ridiculous amount. The military budget is something you also rail against, for the record. That is more than enough for me just so Europe can feel safe again.

    You said it yourself, we need to leave. We're leaving. Trump says You're welcome. You can quabble about how it happens but since this started there is no scenario the Kurds don't get slaughtered without American help. What's happening now would have happened next week if we took your made up option B. 

    Let's talk about option B. Let's say we tell them we're leaving and they say you can't leave. We look like dicks anyway. Unless they can turn into a functioning military in a month. They can't. Not one that can beast the almost equality inept turkey. We were going to look bad no matter what, so we might as well cut it losses and get the fuck out.

    Not a lot of contrast between MSNBC and CNN I guess. A lot of them don't like it, that's fine. There's plenty who do. If they want military help they can probably contact American civilian military groups for help so the soldiers have to be payed well, and are their on more than orders.


  8. 34 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

    I’ve said this before but I think that is one of the few good things of Trumps presidency. People are paying attention to a lot of the corruption of the office unlike they ever did before. Only problem with that though is they’re acting like the corruption just started — which makes me less hopeful that people will hold future presidents to the same high standard. 
     

    People on Twitter raging over sending troops to SA (rightfully so), but for whatever reason ignoring the fact that the US has backed SA for decades and it’s only gotten stronger since Baby Bush — which includes Obama bending the knee. 
     

    Trump is a problem.  But this isn’t a Trump problem. 
     

    These issues run so much deeper than most want to discuss. It’s far too easy to simply deflect everything to Trump (even when it’s fair). In the current climate that is where the discussion ends. We’re not going to get to the root of these issues or come up with real solutions if we just blame Trump and move on. 

    Oh look, someone who gets it.

    That's is whataboutism though. Such retarded bullshit.


  9. It's not whataboutism. How come you always bring that up when your points are nuts.

    I bring it up because that is how business is generally done. At some point you leave. This is not exclusive to Trump. The precedent is there and people still want to get in bed with us. Quit acting like this is life altering new thing just because you hate the guy.

    We were going to leave at some point, now is as good as time as any. Let them figure out their own problems. It's still not or fight. ISIS is dead, mission complete. 

    The fact you walk back your own statements irks you, but you are a victim of your own nuance. It's easy to advocate a war you will/have never bear/borne the cost of.


  10. Dude are you serious right now? If we should have never gone it hit know that we're committed, why did you say we should take them out not even 2 years ago? 

    And don't act like Trump is the first to do it. Jesus Christ he is not the first evil guy on the fucking planet. Obama was buddies with Erdogan. We backed Hussein only to leave him alone and kill him later. Osama same shit. Every president in this countrys history has backed shit leaders.

    God damn. It's fucking stupid. You wanted to pull out before you went full blown anti Trump, now that he takes them out of combat theatre you hate it.

    Whatever dude, I'm done with this bullshit. Make up your fucking mind. Is it good or is it bad. And if you don't like troops taken out of combat your kind of a dick since you're not paying the price.

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  11. 11 hours ago, Thanatos said:

    We werent, though? That was the point. They were there as a deterrent. Turkey would never attack and risk the wrath of the US while our soldiers were there. They cut a deal with Trump and he pulled our guys out so now they can attack the Kurds. The big thing to me is asking them to dismantle their defenses for the past two months and then leaving. They'll never trust us again, nor should any other ally, at least as long as Trump is in charge.

    The Kurds can beat ISIS. They can't beat Turkey.

    IT'S NOT OUR FIGHT. We have been paying and equipping them for years. 

    Here's what I don't get. For years people said get out of these wars, you yourself said it, and now that we are doing just that it's bad because... TRUMP!!!!!! 

    We have been doing Europe and the toilet of the world a solid for years, it's time they deal with their own mess.

    And where were all these pussy ass kurd defenders who were protesting the Iraq war, TWICE, when they were being slaughtered by Sadam? That's right, no where. Now that Trump did it, it's a problem. The fuck outta here.

    If you support the troops, bring them back to their families.

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  12. That's one way to look at it. Again, I would hardly call 18 a developing problem, Unless it was 1 last year, in which case, I realllllly don't give a shit.

    Here how I see it. One of three scenarios is true.

    They all suck at math and can't do percentages.

    They can do math, and their calling attention to a "crisis" for something that isn't a crisis, they just lack perspective on what real problems are.

    They can do math but are to self centered to let anyone else have the spotlight.

     

    I don't buy the, " it's preemptive" because if doubled every year for the next 5 years ( we have never seen from go up 1/50th of that over 5 years) it would still be less than 600 people out of 10 million. 

    I really think the ones at the protest were just some do nothing bitches wanting attention, and it worked. 

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