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    10 minutes ago, seanbrock said:

    One thing that gets lost in the shuffle here is how corrupt Biden is lol. It's congress's job to investigate stuff like this whether you believe Trump is guilty or you believe the evidence is there or not but It's amazing to me how Biden isn't being hit over the head with this. It goes back to the same thing as the hacking of Clinton's private server. Trump takes heat and is investigated but nobody ever bothers to mention that the information that was leaked on Hillary was tucking true lol.

    I still don't buy for one second that Joe Biden is the leading candidate. His campaign HQ is in Philly and I haven't seen one sign in a lawn or one bumper sticker, haven't met one person who even likes Biden at all. I drive to job sites all over the area too. The polls are lying to us all. 

    I don't know if it's lost in the shuffle, but that is something I have absolutely been wondering about more than anything else. Trump tapes the heat for trying to find out if Biden is corrupt. it would be one thing if he suggested planting evidence, to make the situation look like something it wasn't. But even if you believe the whistleblower, and it's kind of hard to at this juncture, then there is still something that we need to know about Joe Biden.

    you mentioned Hillary is well, and I'm glad that somebody else is making this connection. She also had a vast amount of dirt on her, and we are worried about how Trump talks in a locker room.

    I think that that guy is so low that you couldn't have him walk under a snake and it would not knock off his toupee. That said, I think it's interesting how Donald Trump is trying to find out the truth, albeit about a political opponent, and he's not doing it for altruistic purposes. That being said does nobody else want to know if Biden did anything wrong?

    I mean if we want to find out what every single politician in this country is done, I'm all for it start with Trump and work your way down. That being said, don't just stop at Trump. Don't stop at your own party. don't you want to know all of the bad things that the people who say they represent you or doing? I mean in a weird way turning a blind eye to your own party makes you culpable. I just don't understand what is happening right now. We are more worried about Trump investigating Biden, then if Biden actually did anything.

     

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    Until the text or the anonymous whistleblower back up there statements with more than, "trust me" it isn't proof, it's a conspiracy.

    That is no different than any politician saying that they should check out the wrongdoings of their political opponents, especially when it involves other countries.

    I'm not saying he didn't, I'm saying there's no definitive proof. Right now there's a whole bunch of he said she said and then nothing. At the very least there's nothing that would hold up in a court of law.

  4. Posted

    I think that's where it gets bollocks'd up.  Trump is a piece of shit. Much live almost every president of my lifetime or anyone who even ran for it. 

    But this impeachment shit is old. It has been Mueller, Stormy Daniels, his Mental Health, The Charlottesville bullshit, and so much other bullshit they want to impeach him for but never can for 2 reasons. There is never definitive proof and their weak.

    They should just say we have shit candidates and want a gimme next election because we can't beat anybody. They will look as weak as they are but at least it's honest.

    Then the Republicans can say we would back Satan if he hated the right people. It would make them look as immoral as they are, but it would be honest.

     

  5. Posted · Edited by Omerta

    14 hours ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

    idk where the heck these articles are getting 51 then

     


    Polls like this don't really help either:
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    They're right though...That's the problem. We are deeply divided as a nation. And it's among Republicans AND Democrats and the rest of us are collateral damage.

  8. Posted

    37 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

    Outrage culture? Really? You can't ask a foreign government for help in US elections. Period. That is not outrage culture. He should be impeached over this. 

    As Yang said, the political calculus shouldn't even enter into it at this point. We're a nation of laws. Trump has broken said laws. Therefore he should be impeached, no matter what the political gain or cost.

    For the record, the country is sharply turning towards impeachment. On Tuesday it was 55% in favor if Trump pressured Zelenskyy. Let's see what the next few say after this bombshell of a whistleblower complaint.

    I'm also not sure after this that Pence would win if Trump was removed. He'd be tainted by association.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't be outraged over this. That's not what I meant, I was more speaking to the way they go about winning the election. It seems as though we're always trying to accent things that divide us instead of talking about things that unite us. I don't mean this as a campaign slogan or anything like that, I'm just pointing out the way that Democrats have gone about winning the election.

    Just as an example reading Cortez Green New deal  is a bunch of generalities that are behind a good principle. I don't think anybody is going to argue that if the climate changed dramatically, that we would be in for something nasty. What we're debating about is the timetable, and I am all for taking the conservative estimate here. As somebody who owns an electrical contracting business, I would love to see a huge push in green energy from a money standpoint. I would also love to see it from an environmental standpoint, so if we want to make radical changes to the way we power our nation I'm all for it.

    That said, there are two different strategies in the political sphere for how we deal with this. if you're a Democrat they talk about getting away from fossil fuels, lowering our carbon footprint, and moving towards renewable energy sources. All of that's a good thing. And then we have to taint it by getting drawn into a fight with Republicans because we like to point out the fact that oil money is a primary motivator as to why we have not gotten away from non-renewable energy sources. it is true that many Republicans benefit from the oil industry, but it's not like they're alone. There are a lot of Democrats who make oil money to. it is at this juncture that the conversation starts to devolve, and as a consequence diverges from what we really need.

    So in the green New deal, it hardly lays out anything in specificity about achieving green energy about , instead it's about the traditionally impoverished and people of color. this really has little to do with the environment, but it's a way to rally a base behind what you're saying. This is when we start to diverge from things that are actually important.

    we would rather talk about the pronouns that we used to address less than 5% of 1% of this country. We are so constantly worried about checking each other's privileges, that we very rarely see what we have in common.

    Your pole was a great example of this. You and I have been going round and round about banning assault rifles. outside of people who know me, even in an internet setting, people would assume that I'm a far-right whack job. That being said the problem is when we say terms like common sense. That means that if I don't agree with you that I am lacking in common sense, instead of just a minor disagreement over an issue. I am all for background checks, I am all for different laws that will keep guns out of the hands of people we know to be dangerous. Are we going to stop them all? No, of course we're not. Do I think that we should be able to keep all of the rights that are in the Constitution? Absolutely, and I don't think they should be bent using the logic that while most of us agree we should ban them. That's why they're there. That being said we pick one issue and divide ourselves into camps.

    The entire Democratic strategy for winning the election for the last 10 years or so has been catering to our differences, instead of establishing what we have in common, and then taking one issue at a time. Everybody on this site was able to find middle ground on the gun issue. But when you don't approach the topic from a holistic standpoint, it quickly devolves into your in your camp, and I'm in my camp and we're going to fight to the death for it.

    Foreign policy is another one. people like Sean absolutely hate Israel, and there's going to be no middle ground on it. We are all for an isolationist viewpoint when it comes to war in another country, until we see things like Syria, or even the Russian interference in the election, some people are wanting to go to war behind that.

    maybe it's because I have a personality that doesn't really see a lot of gray area, at least from a moral standpoint. But that is the biggest draw to Tulsi gabbard for me. She leaves no room for interpretation on what she thinks of these regime-change wars. We're going to stay out of them, this really isn't a debate for her. whether she's arguing with her party or the Republican party, she sticks to her guns on that, and that's something I can absolutely appreciate.

    as to Trump being impeached, if I'm being 100% honest, I could not care less either way. That is what I was referring to when I was talking about the Democratic party being maddening. At this point in time in our country, the Democrats have some things that they need to work out, and they say a lot of stupid things. That being said on most issues they find their selves in the enviable position of having facts supporting your argument. And yet there's all these appeals to emotion. I think they would be much better served to get out of the mud slinging competition with a pig. Trump is absolutely counting on this in the next election, he wants the next Democratic candidate to sling mud with him, because he likes it, and because he's good at it. That is his only path to victory. What is maddening to me, is that Democrats won't use things to their advantage. Right now all of the climate change data supports their hypothesis, and yet they want to use it to sling mud. Rise above it, stay calm, and present your case. It works.

    sure you're not going to have those reaction videos about you dunking on someone, but it is far more effective. Yet again, looking at Tulsi gabbard, what she did to Harris was a thing of beauty. Harris was running a campaign to strictly appeal to the black and impoverished people, and she was using that issue to champion them. She had no real facts to back up her argument, but it didn't seem to matter. Until somebody stayed calm, used fact as ammunition, an open fired in a way that left absolutely no room for retreat, only surrender. Every since Tulsi dropped that bomb on her she went from a top-three candidate to now she's actually pulling lower then the top five candidates. This is how it campaign should be run. Tulsi attacked her in a way that was calm, articulate, in laden with facts. After that debate people are scouring Google to check the veracity of her claims, they found out she was correct, and Harris no longer has a path to victory. I just don't understand why Democrats are going to refuse to use this, they would rather deliver fiery speeches about taking down the man, or wiping out racism, and using a set of unrealistic ideals and goals to pander to a base that is more prone to use emotion as a decision maker instead of logic.

    I actually don't want Trump to get impeached. I would rather see him beaten at The ballot box. If we were able to get somebody like gavotte in, with a whole nation behind her I think that set her up for success. Or any candidate for that matter. If you impeach Trump you're going to do two things immediately. You're going to make him a martyr to a very very powerful ease who has a lot of money, and you're going to make him a martyr to a base that votes. The second thing you're going to do is cheapeb a Democrat win. people are going to say that you could not have won an election straight up, and they very well could be right. So it's going to immediately undermine The credibility of the democratic nominee.

    Should he absolutely. if it turns out that the whistleblower is an impeccable source, and they are not lying, and it can be corroborated, then absolutely impeach him. It's going to be a tough road to hoe though, mainly because of the Mueller investigation. People are going to conflate the two as the same thing. they're going to use the logic that how come it's okay that Democrats do it, but when a republican does it it's a problem. The answer is obvious, but as we've already established the truth doesn't really matter does it?

    Something else this does is take Joe Biden completely out of the race because if Trump was searching for something, then he probably had a lead. Out of all the countries in the world you picked the Ukraine? Biden did something dirty, so he's no longer in the race in my opinion. if he is it would be a colossal strategic error. that leaves us with Warren to fight the Republican candidate, and if it's Trump she's going to get absolutely lambasted. So then who's next? That leaves Bernie Sanders, but he is already been kept out by his own party once. this leaves a path to the presidency for people like Yang and gabbard, although it's a small one. The Democrats have ran themselves out of options by backing terrible people that's far, now the elections next year and they have plenty of time to put money and resources behind it decent candidate, or at this point I would even settle for a decent human being. They have time to turn it around, but as of right now if Trump can escape this inquiry oh, it's going to be very hard times for the Democrats.

    that is all I was saying, I was trying to keep it brief, because as you can see when I explain my full point oh, it gets windy.

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  9. Posted

    I still think it has to be Yang or Gabbard. I really think Warren fucked herself with the native thing, and basically just co-opting Bernie. If you dig a little into her you can uncover things that make her look more dishonest, or dumb.

    Bernie will NEVER get it imo. 

    I don't think this will hurt Trump much. I actually see this backfiring on Democrats in earnest. Even if the Democrats pull it off there are only two people worse than Trump. Pence and Hillary. Ones not running and the other would be defacto president. The guy who believes you can electrocute the far out of people...nah dog.... Not my kind of guy.

    That is what is so maddening about Trump and the Democrats relationship. If Democrats weren't so intent on relying on the outrage culture and just played moderate ball, they would destroy Trump. Yet they for some reason refuse.

  10. Posted

    1 hour ago, Thanatos said:

    I wasn't even trying to blame the Republicans entirely, each President is his own individual. But it was Obama who got us out of it.

    Oh, when you said "Bush ruined the economy" I just assumed you meant all him.

    It seems like not more than ever there is a difference if individuals and party, although people are desperately trying to keep people in the club.

  11. Posted · Edited by Omerta

    Could they beat him? Probably. It's for naught though, we have seen how they treat Gabbard, and Yang is a man. This isn't going to happen. It won't be Trump that stops them, it will be the DNC.

    we are getting Warren or Sanders. They are going to lose.

    Either way he is polling well, not that polls are the be all end all as Sean points out. The polls are deeply flawed 

    Bidens dementia will prevent him from winning.

    And Clinton had just as much to do with ruining the economy. In fact he probably had the most to do with it thanks to his repealing glass steagall and the higher education amendments that ballooned student debt. He did more for banks than Bush ever did.

    Not to say Bush's war did us good, just saying you can't just blame the Republican here when the problem has Democrat roots.

  12. Posted

    Yeah I saw he has a higher appeal eating in his first term up to this point than Obama. And Obama was reelected against tighter opposition in my opinion.

    I see him beating the hell out of anyone in the election. Before Gabbard torpedoed Harris, I would have said she probably could have gotten the minority and female vote and energized the base. Now that people know she is one of the worst things to happen to black people in California she is radioactive.

    Warren, Biden, Sanders, Harris, Gabbard, or Yang. I don't see how they win honestly.

  13. Posted

    28 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

    Yeah reading the transcripts, I just feel like there is more holes than there isn't. Some verbiage is off and I don't like it (ie Trumping using the word "favor"). You don't want the POTUS directing the Ukranian government getting in touch with the AG directly either. Makes it seem directive. But I don't see a direct quid pro quo (do this or else), like was alleged by Democrats. The Ukrainian President came out today and said he wasn't pressured into doing anything. And that is exactly what Biden was doing... Biden, by his own words... threatened a billion dollars worth of aid if the Ukrainians didn't remove their head prosecutor. There are also documents showing head democrats writing to the Ukrainians to investigate Trump... lol. 

    As I said before, none of this lessens what Trump did. I'm fine with the investigation and I would like to hear from the whistle blower directly, but it seems at this point to be really overblown. 

    Also, Sean is right. Trump is going to blow Biden away. I don't want to dismiss the polls completely... But I think you would see a shift in those numbers if it were to get to 1v1 / trump on biden. Biden isn't mentally fit to run for President and Trump will bully him into submission. I don't think it matters much though as I think the heralded champion from the DNC will be Warren.

    ...So were looking at 4 more years of Trump in your opinion?

  14. Posted

    I hope they realize this is only going to help him. If they impeach him his popularity is going to soar because it looks like an actual witch Hunt when they are making the claims far greater than what they are. 

    Is he a piece of shit? Yep. A liar? Compulsively so. Dumb? Not really, at least not more than the democrats because they can't catch him. Or he really isn't doing anything, neither would shock me.

  16. Posted

    54 minutes ago, seanbrock said:

    Whether you like him/agree or not. People want healthcare, people want a raise and people want out of debt. He's offering people something other than a return to the normalcy that got Trump into the white house.

    It's no secret I think he is pretty batshit, but I have no real problem with the guy. It's pretty obvious the DNC does not want a white male candidate. It is not representative of what their constituents want. They screwed him last time for a white woman, they will again.

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, seanbrock said:

    You're out of mind more than Biden is if you think Trump is losing to Biden lol . Once Biden isn't running against 20 people he will be exposed. The Republicans won't take it easy on him like the Democrats have outside of Castro at the last debate. They will be absolutely ruthless lol. All the dirty laundry will come out. They'll harp on his OBVIOUS dimentia and Trump will fucking LANDSLIDE him. The only Democrats that can beat Trump are Sanders, Tulsi and Yang. Some milquetoast Democrat will never beat Trump. It would have to be somebody who excites the voting base, not someone who Democrats and left leaning independents have to hold their nose and vote for. Biden is against literally every issue that the left is passionate about. Literally every single one Biden is there to tell us how it can't happen yet or how millennials need to stfu. Lol guess what Joe, if you want to be president you need Millennials to SHOW the fuck up because we're the biggest voting block in the country right now.

    I don't think Sanders can win either tbh.

  19. Posted

    Yes and the public overwhelmingly hates the media. Let's scrap the first one too. This is why the bill of rights is so important, to keep the mob from trampling people's rights.

    We have done well being civil but if you are going to put words in my mouth the cordial attitude ends here. I have said MANY times I support background checks. Don't do the bullshit where you make up my argument for me and argue that.

    Now I'm a climate change denier..? Is this really how you want to play this?

    Did you read the report? It tells you in there.

  20. Posted

    17 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

    I really don't see how you get so up in arms over a simple statement like automation is going to take retail jobs. It's a fact that it is, not because its in the future, but because it is currently happening right now. You don't need people to take other's orders anymore, for example. Sure they're still there, but I bet they won't be in 20+ years. You can order at a kiosk. 

    Elon Musk endorsed Yang for precisely this reason. 

    And sure, tech also creates more jobs- but not at the same level. It's the baseline retail jobs that get kicked in the teeth the hardest by automation.

    We're halfway to self-driving cars. The idea that trucks will follow seems completely logical. AI is better than a human 99% of the time driving, the only real issue is if AI driver can't predict what a human driver will do. If everything is automated that ceases to be a problem.

    He's still pro-2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment simply doesn't cover military grade assault rifles. The NRA's fearmongering on the issue has done wonders to the extreme right, anyone who proposes any restrictions is suddenly labeled anti-2nd amendment. 

    The idea that Yang caters to the outrage culture crowd is just so absolutely not true I don't even know where to start with that lol. Favre already laid out why that claim is pure bullshit. You've clearly made up your mind on him, but a dude that pulls 10%+ of Trump voters is not some far left hack who just wants PC culture.

    Because it's not true. At least not yet.  The EXACT same logic is used by the right. Have some illegals taken jobs that white people could do? Sure. Is it some widespread pandemic, no. It's usually lazy people who don't want to work who get their jobs taken. Now are there some industries where it is prominent, yes. Is it causal for the 08 collapse? No. Is it something to beat your cheat about? No.

    Technology is the same. Has it taken some jobs, sure. There are kiosks at Applebee's but really there is the same amount of employees because I'm not getting my own drinks, food, or what have you. They still need those people even with kiosks. 

    All the projections are doing is causing people to panic and live in fear when there is no actual evidence that it is going to take a massive percentage of jobs. And MOST projections say it will create more jobs. The trucker Things gets brought up all the time but there is a study that is about a year old saying it is not going to be a profound shift.

    People would rather cause panic and prey on people's fears of making a living by saying the big tech Boogeyman is going to take all the jobs, when that isn't any more true than the immigrant theories. When people do that I think it is reprehensible.

    Elon Musk I am not impressed with so he doesn't away me one way or the other. He is a business owner, nothing more really.

    And you keep saying that the 2nd amendment has all these restrictions. It's bullshit. It doesnt. You made that up as have other people and say we agreed to it as a society. We obviously didn't or it would not be hotly contested. The only thing it says really is a well regulated militia ( nothing to do with regulating guns, I can source you no less than six books that this was speaking to funding the militia, even the federalist papers point this out), and shall not infringe. When it was written the citizenry had military grade weaponry. So you saying it restricts them is not factually correct.

    I was with Yang until he bent to a mob. I think people who do that are weak and will do it again. Now for me, Gabbard is the only one who I think has any balls. She has had mobs at the door and she owned it and said the course. That is all the PC Mafia and outrage machine have. A weak but vocal mob imo.

  22. Posted · Edited by Omerta

    He had a hard change of mind about the 2nd amendment when he had those big crocodile tears and him walking back his position which just coincided with when the outrage SJW's growled at the door.  

    I won't vote for anyone who I feel is that way. He may not be the raging outrage peddler Bernie and Warren are, but he is susceptible to their bullshit. He has no sack is my point.

  23. Posted · Edited by Omerta

    12 minutes ago, DalaiLama4Ever said:

    I don’t know if you’re referring to Yang, which is what thanatos was getting at but fear mongering really isn’t his thing. 

    He tells you like it is. His campaign thus far has been meeting people displaced by AI. It’s already happening (to a smaller degree).

    There’s a million truck drivers in this country... mostly male... mostly with nothing more than a GED / diploma.  Automated vehicles obliterates that job field (just one example).

    Its similar to Yangs policies on climate change. He’s the only Democrat up there that while he does advocate for change... he lays it out like it is... We’re beyond fucked. We’ve fucked up the planet beyond a point of reversal.

    There is doom and gloom there but he attacks it from a very logical angle... with facts. 

    The landscape of work IS changing. Will we survive? Sure. Are there ways to enable humans to make that jump easier and smoother. Damn right. 

     

    First the Department of Labor is saying the effect on truckers is vastly overstated.

    https://www.fleetowner.com/autonomous-vehicles/fewer-drivers-risk-losing-jobs-over-truck-automation-study-says

    And we are a loooooong way from that if it happens anytime soon. 

    I don't buy we are beyond fucked. If the Democrats would ease up on using nuclear energy we would beat AOCs green new deal like a drum, but alas they won't. He isn't talking about that.

    Yang is weak, not somebody I want. He has no balls, he caves to the clamoring of the outrage culture crowd. And his policies are ass imo. UBI, anti- 2nd amendment and so on, dumb energy plan that is a kickback to his base using 400,000,000 in vouchers. 

    He is garbage imo. More tolerable than Bernie or Warren but not a great option imo.

  24. Posted

    Most people blame technology like it's the lefts mexican.

    There's no way it will be a living wage. If you want to bankrupt the economy, make that happen.

    I could definitely seeing it hurt children though. Right now we have so many programs to help kids specifically, I would hate to give free will to a shitty parent who doesn't spend it on their kids. If their not shitty then the current programs work fine for the kids imo.

  25. Posted · Edited by Omerta

    2 hours ago, Thanatos said:

    Your solution to the fact that technology is going to keep taking jobs away from workers?

    This right here is why the left is as bad as the right. You talk about the right fear-mongering, this is the lefts big bullshit lie.

    There are not many studies that say technology is going to hurt this country more than help, as opposed to the MASSIVE amounts of studies who say it will take jobs but create more. The most outrageous is a celebrity "futurist" Thomas Frey who provides no mathematical basis or forecasting for his inflammatory billion job number he pulled out of his ass in an off the cuff comment at a speaking engagement.

    So what would I do? Stop scaring the shit out of people over shit that most likely will not happen according to almost all of the economic forecasting models and study banks that have no political bias lol. 

     

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/29/automation-could-kill-73-million-u-s-jobs-2030/899878001/

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610005/every-study-we-could-find-on-what-automation-will-do-to-jobs-in-one-chart/

    Those are some of the most recent one the floor and doin ones are from 2013 and 2015. Now that we see what technology is doing the only people left scared are on the left.

     

    Of course we can't wait and see. We have to say a BOOMING economy is going to shit and everyone is going to lose their jobs. The left is disgusting, just as much as the right as far as far mongering. The right tells you Mexicans are bad, and the left says technology. Fuck them both.

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