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  1. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Guns causing suicides to be more frequent is not an agree to disagree thing. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/ It's simply a fact. Also wrong is the idea that most people who want to commit suicide, will. There are 45 attempted suicides for everyone one that succeeds. I admit I was wrong on the funding thing, I was looking at what funds science, and not medicine in particular, article was lumping them together. I thin, however, we're just going around in circles here. You're stuck on not taxing rich guys more, you'd rather have poor people not have insurance, when it comes down to it, though you'd really prefer a system that does neither, which frankly, IMO, is a pipe dream. You still don't explain why everyone has to pay for firefighters and police but not for medical care, as in what the difference in logic is. Doctors and nurses are already overworked because the hospitals, in their infinite wisdom, decide that they need to do 12-16 hour rotations so the patients deal with the same people? I'm not sure on the logic here, that's what I've been told is the logic. Insurances and hospitals already literally make up prices for shit, so yeah I'm okay with not paying the hospital $10 for a single tylenol pill. I'm not arguing that medicare isn't ass, all insurance is ass. I deal with the fuckers every single work-day. They are all a bunch of money-grubbing, corner-cutting, how can I fuck the patient over to save my company money, scumbags. All of them. To argue that since the current medicare is ass and therefore medicare for all will be ass is just not really an argument. They're two entirely different entities. I really don't get where you're talking about your insurance getting worse. It would be taken out of your taxes, the vast majority of people that pay for health insurance would pay less. If we want to have like a ranking system or something where you can pay more for more service or something, that's fine. I really don't think its a tough sell at all if you have empathy for your fellow humans. I never said you owed society something, I said you had a responsibility to it. That's pretty different to me. Everyone in this country has a responsibility to others. It's great that you've created 83 jobs for people. If you're unwilling to wait a little longer for a cold to get some antibiotics, in order so that other people can see the doctor at all, that's just something that yes, is hard for me to grasp. We would rather have a society where people who are unsure about whether or not something is worth going in for just sits on it and hopes its not life-threatening? Really? The current status quo is insane. We have people rationing insulin and dying because they don't get enough. But god fucking forbid the government "steals" more money from people who can afford it to literally save other people's lives. I deal with this shit every day, as I said. It makes me upset that people lack empathy so much that they dont want to pay a bit more so that other people can afford the medicine they need to be healthy.
  2. If you pick the "it's more nuanced" option, please expound further in your comment. I feel like we attribute to each other the rhetoric we hear from the extremes of each side. Let's see where TGP actually stands on the issue. I bet you we have a lot more in agreement than we think. And to follow my own rule- Question 2: Essentially, high capacity magazines are not needed by your average private citizen and thus should be banned from general purchase. But I completely understand the plight of farmers and others that have to deal with dangerous or simply irritating animals on a daily basis. The hog meme that took twitter by storm is based on a real problem. Sure, the dude was exaggerating a bit, but feral hogs are a major problem in the South. Having HCMs need a special permit to be applied for on, say, a bi-yearly basis, with justification for why you need it would be an acceptable solution to me. But the average citizen absolutely does not need HCMs. Shooting ranges having them is not an issue to me, either, so long as they are kept on the range. I could see the same compromise being acceptable for assault rifles. Again, the average citizen shouldn't own it, but a stricter background check and a justification for use to get a permit for an assault weapon could be a possible compromise. Question 4: I am wary of allowing family members the ability to do this. I could see this being used by an abuser to remove the ability of the abused to potentially defend themselves. I would be more comfortable if it was just law enforcement that had this ability.
  3. Thanatos

    Gun Control Poll

    So when I say violent media, I am not talking about the press. That's probably on me, since we use that word to refer to them. I'm talking about video games, movies, etc. That would probably need to be a separate question. I certainly don't think it is responsible for the shooting in the first place, but I am a big fan of basically erasing the shooter from public memory- i.e. we don't name them, we don't say anything about them. The experts can know on a need-to-know basis to try to research and see if something was a problem. Otherwise, we focus on the victims. And yeah, the Maryland law is just further proof why we need a federal law on this thing, otherwise you can just hop states and get them to give you one if they are laxer on their gun laws. Having mandatory training and mandatory background checks prior to purchasing a gun makes sense to me.
  4. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    This is a gross oversimplification of a complex issue that makes it seem like a person who can't have children, or someone who doesn't want children is somehow never going to be happy. You don't need any of that. You do need friends- relationships. But they don't have to be romantic ones and they certainly don't have to have children. Also not sure what culture is saying the single life is this great happy life, we push the opposite a lot harder in this culture.
  5. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    I think he absolutely is wrong. Children is not something we need to act like one has to have in order to have a family or a committed purpose in life.
  6. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    The minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation, much less progress. It should be much higher than it is, and the idea that raising it is going to cause some huge collapse of small business is just not true. Why do you think businesses that can't afford to pay their workers a living wage should stay in business? They are just exploiting their own workers. The freedom dividend is a great measure, but we also need a higher minimum wage. In other news, Yang is leading the straw poll in Florida and its not even close. He's at 35%. Warren is next at 20%.
  7. Thanatos

    Happy Birthday OSU

    Happy birthday, bud!
  8. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Why have we not seen this when we've raised the minimum wage then? If your business cannot survive while paying their workers a livable wage, then you deserve to go under. I agree its not $15/hr across the country. I don't need $15/hr in Kentucky and I probably need more than that in SF and NY. But a livable wage, assuming 40-hour work week? Absolutely, yes.
  9. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    I appreciate the detailed response. I still don't get it, and I will lay out why. But first: Guns kill quite a bit more than 10,000 people in the United States per year. Mass shootings, sure, they are less than 500, though the trend is growing upwards. But gun violence kills a lot of people. About 40,000 people died from gunshot wounds in the US in 2017. And again, its trending upwards, that was more than any year since 1968. Medicare sucks is a huge generalization. There are plenty of people who would not be able to afford their medication at all except for medicare. Are there problems? Of course there are, but the issues are less with medicare and more with the ridiculous prices hospitals charge and insurances charge as a whole. (I am aware Medicare is an insurance, just saying its not solely an issue of theirs.) So then to address the point. You are against medicare for all because you don't want it to come at you and yours expense. On what grounds, then, should I pay taxes to the city to support my fire department? My local police? Infrastructure for highways that I never use? Why should we not privatize all of that and just have people buy crime insurance, highway insurance- or tolls, everything tolls- and firefighter insurance? And if you don't have it and you're being robbed the police don't come. If you're on a road you shouldn't be, you're idk, arrested. And if your house is on fire, it just burns down and the firefighters don't come. Plenty of times those things are not your fault, (minus not being on the road, everyone has a GPS at this point). Why should I pay for someone else's misfortune of having their house on fire and needing firefighters? Why should my taxes go to paying the police when I haven't needed them? Obviously, because society is better off that way. Just like it would be better off if people didn't have to grin and bear it if they have something wrong and hope its not too serious. Because what the GOP doesn't want people to know is that we still end up footing the bill. Someone shows up at the hospital, they aren't going to turn them away if they are dying. And many of those problems can be stopped for far less money if they are caught earlier, but people without insurance won't go until they are forced to. People are far happier in countries with some form of socialized healthcare, but in the US we're too busy diving under the covers at the mention of the word socialism to even consider what it would actually mean, and the fact that we already have socialist system that run just fine. This even wraps all the way back around to gun control again. You guys, according to our poll, seem to think mental illness is a major factor in mass shootings. You know one of the biggest problems for people who have mental issues? They don't have insurance that will cover it, so they can't get treatment. The right's biggest lie is to tell the middle class that the poor person is the problem- You shouldn't have to subsidize the poor people. All the while the top 1% just keep taking more and more of the pot.
  10. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    So why can't we have a permit specifically for assault weapons then? I find myself so completely unable to understand how the right can argue for owning assault weapons as being a right, and yet healthcare is not. Honestly here, not trying to belittle the belief, I just cannot wrap my head around how someone can believe it. Most of the time, I like to at least be able to think how the other side can possibly be viewing a thing a certain way. Abortion, for example, I understand both sides. But I cannot get my head around how people can be so pro-gun and so anti-healthcare for all. Let me try to at least get there. Can you try to explain why you think owning assault weapons is a right? And do you think its a moral right, or just one that we have because of the second amendment?
  11. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Apparently my sarcasm went right over your head, even though I explicitly said "tongue-in-cheek aside." "Attacking their rights" by saying that the average private citizen shouldn't have assault rifles. Okay. Owning an assault weapon is not a right. If you think the government has no business telling people how to live their lives, what's your argument against me purchasing an ICBM. Or a tank. Or a bazooka. Take your pick. There are regulations, common sense regulations, we can use here. Plus your analogy is simply a bad analogy, sorry friendo. I can choose whether to purchase an assault rifle. I can't choose if I'm mentally ill.
  12. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    I wasn't aware 99.9% of gun owners have assault weapons. Tongue-in-cheek aside, go do this:
  13. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Here. Let's see what common ground we have before we keep just going after each other for positions that no one holds:
  14. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Yeah I think we agree on a lot more than we think we do. Imma make a poll with a bunch of these questions. For the record, I think a civilian has no business owning an assault rifle or like, grenades. I don't think we should just flat out ban all guns.
  15. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    There is a difference between owning an inanimate object and having something wrong with YOU. And the continual strawman in this topic is really wearing on me. Who in here is advocating what you guys keep crying about- banning guns? No one that I'm aware of. I laid out solutions, how about engaging with that instead of constantly bringing up arguments that aren't being used by anyone except the extreme left?
  16. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    It creates a stigma that people who are mentally ill are more likely to be mass shooters than people who are not. A stigma that is not borne out in reality.
  17. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    The first article I cited merely to tell you where I found the link to the study, it cites it about half-way down. I don't necessarily agree with it myself. It was just hard to find the damn study again, because all the links I found to it were from places that wanted me to remove my adblocker. Fuck that.
  18. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Your second statement is actually false. (I think it is, if what you're saying here is "more people who own all rifles and dont kill people, than people who are on antidepressants and don't.") A person with a gun is three times more likely to commit a violent act than someone who is on mental health medication- this is not a good comparison though, because there are a ton more people that own guns than are on anti-depressants. But the idea that mental health patients are more violent is not generally true. Many of them become overly docile, even more so than the average person. Here's the article I found it in: https://time.com/5644147/mass-shootings-mental-health/ And here's the study. According to it, less than 1% of all mass shootings are committed by people with serious mental illness in their background. https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099 People, such as Wayne La Pierre of the NRA, are suggesting things like a mental illness registry. It is highly unlikely that any attempt to profile mentally ill people will lead to any sort of actual reduction of mass shootings. It's simply too complicated an issue to argue that we could somehow prevent it by having a profile on mentally ill people. I get it. We want to believe that in order to do something like this, someone's brain has to be fundamentally broken- different than yours or mine, because we'd never ever consider doing something this evil. It's the same philosophy that makes us want to believe people like Hitler and Stalin were mentally ill. Humans don't need to have something mentally wrong in order to do these kinds of terrible acts. What is the driving force behind mass shootings? There's no silver bullet, like I said. But one thing they do all have in common is guns. And guns with high capacity magazines are much more likely to result in more deaths and injuries. There are, according to one of the more exhaustive studies done on mass shootings, four factors that seem to contribute to mass shootings. 1) 1/3 of mass shooters were prohibited from owning guns, and the vast majority of these still bought them legally due to a failure of background checks. 2) 51% of mass shooters were convicted or involved in a domestic violence dispute, or other violent attacks or crimes. 3) Family and domestic violence is a driving force in creating a mass shooter. 54% of mass shootings involved the death of a family member or close friend of the shooter, who was either confirmed to be their target, or likely to be so. 4) Mass shootings that involve high capacity magazines result in more injury and death than those that do not. (A high capacity magazine was defined by Everytown as being one that could fire 10+ bullets without reloading.) Thus, they propose the following four solutions: 1) Background checks on all firearm sales, and punishment for those that do not use them or fail to use them. 2) Red flag laws, that allow a family member and law enforcement to seek the temporary removal of firearms from those who have exhibited violent behavior. 3) Strong domestic violence laws that keep guns out of the hands of abusers. 4) Restrictions on the purchase, possession, and manufacture of high capacity magazines that thus limit the amount of rounds of ammunition a shooter can fire without reloading. I would concur without a blink on 1, 3 and 4. It is the 2nd proposal that is obviously the most controversial. I'm not sure I would include family in those that have the ability to seek it, but it depends exactly how it would be enforced. Law enforcement should be able to- with a court order of course- temporarily remove a firearm from someone deemed a threat, I don't really have an issue with that.
  19. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    There's a lot of people on pysch drugs who don't go shooting the place up. And there was a big study done on it, most mass shooters had no history of mental illness.
  20. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    I'm not really sure where you got the idea that I don't think doctors or manufacturers don't take shortcuts from my post. I don't want to take all guns away, just assault weapons. There is a line, my dude. Should everyone have access to tanks? Missiles? Body armor? And Tyson's point doesn't work, because we actively try to prevent the other types of problems, whereas guns we have done next to nothing on this entire time. @Omerta: Site's being funky so I can't quote you here. I'm not saying we are those countries, I'm saying the right claims gun control won't work when whenever we see it implemented, it does work, and they offer no explanation as to why it won't work here when it's worked elsewhere. As far as the 2A, there are two possibilities for it. Or possibly both. 1) We wanted to have a free people that could resist the government if it became tyrannical. This is for sure an intended usage of the 2A when it was created. This usage is obsolete. If the US army came after its citizens you ain't gonna stop them, assault rifles or no. The tech difference is simply too great. So unless you're also advocating letting private citizens buy tanks and body armor... 2) Self-defense. This is more in-line with a modern usage of the 2A, and you don't need an assault rifle for self-defense.
  21. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    You absolutely do not have the constitutional right to an assault weapon or a 100-bullet magazine. Honestly never even heard that argument tried before. As far as Tyson goes, that analogy is god-awful as was stated in the first reply to him on that thread. Medical errors get sued, we developed flu vaccines for the flu, we build cars as safely as possible with strict regulations on being able to own and operate them, suicide is definitely something we need to do better on addressing. Point being, we address these as problems in need of a solution. And also if 40 people died in one day from the same doctor from a medical error, you bet your ass we'd have investigations all over the place. Guns? Nope, can't touch them. I find them fun, so we're not even allowed to try to regulate them, despite the fact that kids are being killed at their schools, and if we point out that other countries have tried regulating them and have all-but-eliminated the issue, apparently that is them being arrogant instead of trying to help. The right wing in this country is fucking insane on this issue. They won't even admit the *possibility* that having gun control works, despite all the evidence that it does. I'm not saying its a silver bullet and will solve all the issues immediately- its a nuanced issue with multiple things that need to happen, gun control being one of them- but making assault weapons harder to acquire should be a common sense, non-partisan issue.
  22. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    You really think France, Germany, and Canada look down on us because we won our independence like men? You sound as crazy, my dude. You do not need a 100 bullet magazine assault rifle. Sorry, not sorry.
  23. Thanatos

    2020 Democratic Primary Race

    Because clearly assault weapons are a problem. Other countries have gun control and the sky hasn't fallen there yet.
  24. Thanatos

    Trump Regime thread.

    I agree with you here. The DNC definitely did not want Sanders in 2016- I mean, he's not a Democrat. My point was simply that Sanders is not enough of a threat in 2020 to have the DNC pull something like what Sean was claiming.
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