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Wow dude, just wow. So you have to win SB's to be successful ? I said he would have been successful anywhere he went and if you look at every team he went to he turned them around and ALL made the playoffs under him when they were dog shit franchises. And I am appalled at how little homework you have done on the situation. Do you have nay guess who the defensive coordinator was for the Giants squad before it was turned over to Belichik ? Yup it was Parcells so that defense was dominant before BB got there and it was Parcells defense. So that said even if you go with the coordinator fabric rant it is still moot since it was the same defense that Parcells instilled in it. Your next paragraph is moot since I told you in the above that he was a successful defensive guy before BB even got there. SO yeah it was Bill Parcells who did it the onlyy one you could give credit to as far innovation was the OC which was not hard considering their RB. I am not calling you crazy I am telling you that either you had no idea of what I just told you and walked into this blind or you do not understand a coaching tree because nobody makes a statement like that from a lucid thought except for when they dont have all the info. Then you saying Bledsoe was benched, but uhhhh no he wasnt. Again you dont have all the facts or you just dont know how to make a debate worth it. He was injured and BB said he was going to stick with the hot hand, which is what he said in a press conference after the injury. Again I am disappointed in how little research you did and coming into a debate woefully unprepared. I didnt discredit BB I am just saying he was a beneficiary of Parcells and trying to argue that is ridiculous just ask the jets what they were willing to do to make sure Parcells was running the show even if BB had to be their front man.... Nice try though...... :grinno:

I am sure asking price may have had something to do with their feelings toward him. And I know not everyone does which is why I said the Overwhemling majority. And you think it is no correlation that when FA became a spectacle that teams did not notice what was going on ?

And I hope we tell him to hit the door if he truly wants AP money. And apparently you havent been keeping up with the RIce negotiations because he has bitched several times about this deal. Ray rice was a second round guy who produced, if he thinks he is irreplaceable that is fine, but he will be shown differently. Rice has been offered Arian Foster money and said no. If he thinks he is worth more than Arian Foster then let him take his big headed ass somewhere else. The NFL is starting to do running back by committee so only a few are that valuable, and the Ravens often rotate another back in there so it is not like he is racking up obscene carries like steven Jackson.

This is honestly kind of sad. We are watching a football game where loyalty is bought and no regards are given to the fans. I wonder how this kid is going to understand why he had to watch a hero leave for money. A lot of these players should be ashamed of themselves. And the common expression it is just a business is more true now than it ever has been and the love of the game and fans is over shadowed by love of money.

Who is the other guy that can get open ? I hope you are not tlaking about Alshon Jeffrey.

Which ever one quits being a bitch and signs a contract.

Yeah.....This year he out performs Gronk and is going to go to the highest bidder like the overwhelming majority of NFL players do.

If you can not get chemistry with Aaron Rodegers.....just quit because it is not going to happen for you.

Absolutely. They suck plain and simple and I think Mike Tice may be oblivious to the fact that Webb sucks ass. Is so it comes down to O line coach and O line.

do they have ot have been in the league since 2007 to now or just int he league in 2007 ? jim Harbaugh has not been in the league since then so I am assuming it is just as long as they have been from that point in time. If so. HC: Bill Parcells / (Mike McCarthy if not) OC: Gary Kubiak DC: Rex Ryan

Yeah that is all fine and good an all except that the Giants during that time had Bill Parcells who would have succeeded with or without Belichik and that really cant be argued considering he has done it everywhere he has gone. AS a HC honestly he sucked before he came to NE and we will never know if he could have turned the Browns around or not, but what we do know is the success he has had with Brady there. Not saying he needs him or vice versa but those are just the facts. On his own Belichik has not done much, but with Parcells and Brady he has been wildly successful. Not saying it has been because of Brady but as I mentioned he was probably successful because of Parcells because well everybody who worked with him was for the most part. The Brady Belichik thing we will never know because Brady wont play for another team. Now if he retires and BB struggles we have a pretty good idea what kind of HC he is.

Its hard to try and predict where they were drafted to the production they would have in a career. I mean as Cam Cameron has proved for years now that if you try to run a vertical offense with guys who dont fit then your offense will suck. Boldin was one of the top receivers in the game when he came to Baltimore and Cam sent him on deep routes and he has not been the same receiver he was in AZ when they had an OC who could use him well. This is was the case with welker, he just didn't fit and was buried on the depth chart. The Dolphins at that time were a run first offense and then deep to marty booker off of play action so he did not really fit the scheme as a third WR in the slot in that offense. He was perfect for the patriots. As to Colston if his college was not Hofstra he would have went before the seventh. Those two are still great receivers and in the right system would have been good anywhere.

His highlights are impressive but they dont show you how many times he had to try those to get them. I would rather a guy be able to hit a 15 yard out than throw a football into a trashcan.

I think he still would be just fine without him I have no problem with seeing him throwing for 4000 and 25 + TD's. And when you say without hiim what do you mean. If he is just dropped form the roster than of course his numbers would suffer because his receiving corps is now Nate Burleson and Titus Young as his two primary targets. There are not many QB's in the league who would be successful under those conditions. Would he be elite who knows ? I doubt it and even with him he si not elite there are only a handful of people who can lay claim to that title such as Brees, Brady, Ben, Rivers, Rodgers and when playing Manning. Now when looking at those guys they all have legit receivers and people who are going to help them with their numbers so if we are going to chastise Stafford who he has then why dont we do it to Brees for having Colston and Graham, or Brady for having Gronk and Welker, or Rodgers and Jennings, Nelson, and the like. And honestly stacking them up with Stafford he is probably at a disadvantage because Brady has two top tier targets, Rodgers has 3, Brees has two, Ben has three, Rivers has always had two or three. So that said what is better having one but him being the best or having 2 or 3 top tier guys. I would rather be in Rodgers situation where he has 3 guys who can all make plays on a consistent basis. So why is this not the question for them. Rodegers has Nelson, Jennings, and Finley. Who does Stafford got Megatron Burleson and Scheffler or Pettigrew. It think I will stick with Ridgers. He would not put up amazing numbers without Megatron but I guarantee you take away most QB's #1 they would suffer as well. Do you think it coincidence Brady put up his best numbers when moss way there? Now if you replaced MEagtron with Nicks, Wallace, Fitz, and so on he would put up similar numbers.

I think another legit one with first rounders is they buy into their own hype. They think they are going to go into the league and be contributors with their natural talent. Not enough of them report straight to team HQ and eat, sleep, and breathe team codes of conduct, playbooks, weight rooms, and chemistry with their respective groups. I am not sure of other teams players that do tihs like I do my own but I know torrey Smith the day he was drafted called Flacco for a work out in New Jersey since they could not get the playbooks. Then He called Boldin and started working on formations routes and more of the offense. his first three games were rough but he kept working and started improving very quickly. But the end of the year in the Texans game they put Jonathan Joseph on him instead of Boldin. That told me he had finally started garnering respect from the league through his play. More rookies need to have that attitude. Instead a lot of them show up out of shape with no knowledge of the system so then they are behind the 8 ball come time to play.

I think it is a good thing to pay your playmakers but this much at the TE spot can put you in a cap crunch if Tom Brady hangs it up in the next couple years and one of your Backups light it up, which in NE is a distinct possibility. this also makes me wonder is this a changing of the guard in NE and we do not know it. What I mean is for a while now NE is trying t get their defense better so that way TOm Brady does not have to carry them all the way to the SB because that has proven to be a flawed strategy. With that taken into account, if it pans out like the pats are hoping then in a couple years they are going to have some defensive playmakes they are going to have to pay like Chandler Jones, Donta Hightower, Ras I Dowling if he ever lives up to his potential, Devin McCourty. That is far more playmakers than they have on offense now. So is NE going to become a defensive team once Brady retires ? I mean they have Gronk and i think hernandez leaves because there is no way that if he has a good season that NE can afford to tie up that money in the TE spot. I dont see any premier LT's getting paid the kind of money they usually command. This could turn out to be an interesting couple of years for NE.

He should have been honest with everybody from jump street on how he got hurt. That said I think he was honest with everyone in the organization after both sides consulted a PR rep because of the timeline of how it unfolded. to his credit though I really think that Bisciotti is one of the best owners in the league, the players really want to work for this guy and he makes it a point to meet and get to know every single person on the roster. Their was an article not to long ago from Cary williams who spent two years on the practice squad and talking with Bisciotti at practice. Just a good dude.

Those are beautiful man, nice photography.

Vick had one good year with the Eagles and last year was a bum and yet people still tout him as elite. Is that what you are talking about because before the eagles he was a really fast QB nothing in the way of an elite or really average QB

It is good to see commitment to your craft from young players. That is the kind of culture winning franchises breed.

I have to go Rivers off of Razors and Zacks train of thought here.

Now that I think about it Yes. It does. Considering that using the past to predict the future constantly gets slapped down every time this game evolves. And also considering how much they improved I would definitely say yes. I think they have a sustainable offense as long as Megatron is on the payroll. And being serious why not ? Are teams not capable of turnaround. Also another thing to consider the guy they pinned the rest of their franchise on was injured causing a season that kind of skewed the actual potential of that team. Once they get a franchise guy back then they become a playoff caliber team....why is that hard to fathom? What happens when the bears have to play caleb Hanie? And then Cutler comes back and they improve right ? Same thing here.

No you think you know. I remember Reggie White doing that stuff, that is just how they were taught to play ball back then. I remember several players doing things like that and back then it was just called playing ball which is why you didnt really hear about this until Goodell got here. Greene for the Steelers did it, Bruce Smith did it, Charles Haley did it, and the list goes on and on, just because you dont remember it does not mean it did not happen. I feel bad for a lot of cats because this is the football you know.

In what capacity ? Does stafford need Megatron to be successful? No. Does he need him to put up gaudy numbers ??? Probably.

I dont know about the rest of you but I am getting tired of all this well white people are still racist shit. Really ? Fist Zimmerman is not white. Second I dont have a racist bone in my body and it irritates the shit out of me when any particular race blames another for an isolated incident. This neighborhood Batman probably would have done the same to a white kid because if he had his hoody up how was he ablt to identify color from following him ? Listen up black people, white people, asian folks, Jews, Christians, Athiests, Man, Women and children. Get the fuck out of the 50's. The only reason that shit still happens is because people start shit where there is none. All the friends I talk to that are black said if this was a suburban white kid nobody would give a shit, it would just be another wrong place wrong time tragedy. I cant believe people actually think this was racially motivated.