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I never said or implied that campaign reform should begin and end ONLY with Trump. I'm not sure what I said that gives off that vibe, but if it was something I wrote, then I apologize for misleading you. Let me be clear: corruption has no place in politics no matter where it cones from. I hope everyone agrees with that. I'm just saying that we should probably focus on the person benefitting most from that corruption RIGHT NOW and work our way out from there. Rome wasn't built in a day, fellas. That's all I'm saying.

So 6 more years of Trump then ?....Greeeeeeeeaaaatttt. if she did, and the DNC let her do it, that's pretty much an admission that they have no idea what's going on.

Plus, everyone for now is saying she is secretly planning a 2020 run. lol Maybe that changes as more candidates emerge and we see who the strongest players are, but that is the talk right now.

Trump is the President. It's probably a bit more important to focus on him than someone who will never hold another powerful position. Just sayin'. You guys want Hillary to become irrelevent... ok, I agree. Here's our chance. How about we stop bringing her up to deflect from Trump being the most corrupt and incompetent piece of shit ever to hold office.

Yes when you're trying to prove a negative, it's a problem. That's the problem of accusations with no proof. They can be argued to either point, if we're operating under the assumption that you have to have proof to be able to make a statement, and the overwhelming majority of political wrongdoing would not be discussed, because there's rarely any evidence. We are only finding out how crooked Nixon was, or at least to the extent of which, five and six decades later.

Prove that God DOESN'T exist. Oh you can't? Then your argument is invalid.

Hillary Clinton

Maybe not be cool with it, but you have to recognize it's part of the game. Bernie tried to play fair and he got screwed for it, he probably has enough information to bury Hillary, but he tried to take the high road and lost. Our elections are littered with people who try to play fair and get screwed for it, there is absolutely no incentive to do it whatsoever. As long as these people never go to jail, there's no deterent from doing it, so you either play the game, you sit at home and watch everybody else do it and win. I don't know why that's controversial.

Yeah I would imagine that most politicians would never think of doing anything like that. Completely beyond the pale. These people represent the United States of America. Their integrity should never be in question.

Yeah, people are so disturbingly obsessed with "getting Trump" that I think they lose sight of a lot of different aspects of this. If it comes out Trump knew about all this or whatever the end game is... Take him, idc, because that's what should happen. But as I mentioned earlier in this thread, even if that information comes out... I don't think Trump is going to jail. Striking deals with all the Cohens and Manaforts is in some ways a shame. Those are the guys definitely deserve more than they are going to get as far as punishment, they are the ones operating and steering this ship. In previous administrations (which also tie to this one in some regards).... The war criminals are still around and some still in power... John fucking Bolton for example. Dick fucking Cheney, who left fucking HALIBURTON to be VP... These people need to be taken down a notch... Swiped at the knees. Instead, we're obsessed with taking down Trump who at worst/best is going to resign or be forced to resign. At the end of this, Trump may not be President... But we will have mega douche Pence as President and alllllll the huge back room players are still going to be in action. Mind blowing.