Weekly Discussion Topic: May 18-24 (Dirty Police Tactics)

[BwareDWare94 723]

With the recent Alternative Press Interview where Tim Lambesis explains how he was entrapped (while also accepting guilt for his actions) and that there's really no court case against entrapment in California, I felt like discussing this.

 

It's long, but if you want to read it:

http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/tim_lambesis_world_exclusive_interview_as_i_lay_dying_singer_breaks_silence/P5

 

I feel like it's more common when enforcing highway laws, though, so share your of your family/friends' experiences on the topic.

Edited May 19, 2014 by BwareDWare94

[RazorStar 4,025]

I feel like the last answer of your poll is just a little bit biased.

 

Just a little bit though.

 

Anyway, I don't fuck with the cops. One of them shat on me in 7th grade because I was kicking dirt off my shoes and apparently I can't do that shit near a bus stop. After that I just decided fuck tha police, they aren't even people.

[BwareDWare94 723]

Oh yeah, just a little biased. I thought it'd be fun to add that option to make people think of the times they've overlooked tactics.

[blotsfan 2,112]

I answered all of the options that its obvious you don't want.

[BwareDWare94 723]

I answered all of the options that its obvious you don't want.

 

Congratulations, that aids the discussion.

[GA_Eagle 595]

I don't doubt it happens but I think you're a bit effed up about it. Don't do illegal shit and you have nothing to worry about. Your read on the Lambesis story is pretty one-sided, it seems. I read this article but where was he entrapped? Did the police put the guy up to planting the seed in homeboy's head? No proof about that, from what I can tell just a guy that admittedly attempted to hire a hitman to kill his wife saying the guy did that? Why would you side with that guy? What are you, an idiot? A thug? Let me just reiterate: the guy tried to KILL HIS WIFE.

[GA_Eagle 595]

 

Congratulations, that aids the discussion.

 

Obviously biased options don't particularly help, either.

[BwareDWare94 723]

I don't doubt it happens but I think you're a bit effed up about it. Don't do illegal shit and you have nothing to worry about. Your read on the Lambesis story is pretty one-sided, it seems. I read this article but where was he entrapped? Did the police put the guy up to planting the seed in homeboy's head? No proof about that, from what I can tell just a guy that admittedly attempted to hire a hitman to kill his wife saying the guy did that? Why would you side with that guy? What are you, an idiot? A thug? Let me just reiterate: the guy tried to KILL HIS WIFE.

 

Without the police informant named "Brett" planting the seed and then harassing Tim into talking about it, Tim never would have considered the option in the first place.

 

I don't think the options are that biased. I didn't mean them to be that way, anyone. I assume anyone who's paranoid when they see a cop car would be pissed off about it. I would assume that anyone who's been victimized by dirty tactics would be angry about it and stand against it.

 

We should turn blind eyes to the actions of law enforcement. That's my perspective, and I feel like the people who look the other way are willing to give them too much authority.

[GA_Eagle 595]

He was not entrapped unless the witness was put up to it by the police. Was he? As far as I can tell the only people saying that are Lambesis' people. They certainly didn't think they could use it as a defense in court, but it doesn't doesn't change that he tried to hire someon to kill his wife for him. It's not out of the realm of possibility but to claim it as truth because Lambesis and his lawyer say it is, is showing obvious bias. I think it's completely possible but I tend to side with people that didn't attempt to hire a hit man to kill their wife, ie the prosecution and police.

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

I don't understand the reasoning behind all of this crying about bad cops. There's bad people in every profession. It's life. Get over it.

 

The people who bring up the bad stories claiming that's all cops are might even be worse than the bad cops. Lets bring up the 5 bad cases and ignore the 500 good ones, because no one can cry foul over those.

 

Pretty pathetic. I always lol cause you know if those people are ever in trouble and need the police they're gonna be crying for them to come rescue them.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Well bad people with authority are much more dangerous than bad people without it. Doesn't mean being paranoid about cops is a bad thing.

[Bucman 891]

I should be allowed to drink and drive at night. Fucking cops terrorizing with their stalking techniques.

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

 

Pretty fitting for this thread.

Edited May 20, 2014 by .AirMcNair.

[BwareDWare94 723]

Well let's try to re-direct, then. Honestly, I thought we could have a good discussion of a very real issue, anyway.

 

Is this not an issue any of you concerns yourselves with? Do you not agree that the more and more we let our law enforcement get away with, the more and more our rights start to shrink?

 

I haven't been victimized in the charges-on-record sense, but two times I've been pulled over in my life were done so under dirty circumstances. The first time, the cop tailgated me with his brights on until I sped up to get away from him. I had no idea it was a cop, obviously, but why is that tolerable? The same tactic put my kid brother in the ditch this past winter during a storm. How on earth does that not result in a cop losing his badge? A potentially dangerous situation, my brother hits the ditch (the cop drove off, if you'd believe it. The people behind the cop stopped to help my brother and told us about it). If it'd happened to him in a more desolate area, with no one around, he could have been in serious danger.

 

The second time I got pulled over was on the 3rd of July as I was driving home, sober. The cop said I was "speeding" even though I've tested my speedometer multiple times and it's actually slow. As soon as he realized I was sober, he let me go, but why should that be an acceptable tactic? I'm all for catching DUIs but you can't just stop people randomly. Set up a check point, if you want to do that.

 

My experiences are very minor and yet they're still unacceptable, in my opinion. Do these tactics and even worse tactics not bother you people?

[GA_Eagle 595]

Did either you or your brother file a complaint? Go to the local paper? Those tactics DO work and can affect change. If your police department has people abusing their station then do something about it. Go to their bosses, or the city/ county they work for.

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

Did either you or your brother file a complaint? Go to the local paper? Those tactics DO work and can affect change. If your police department has people abusing their station then do something about it. Go to their bosses, or the city/ county they work for.

 

Exactly.

 

Bring notice to your problem and work to get it fixed.

 

Do not turn it in to some kind of situation where you blame cops all over the country for the problem. It's shit like that they makes everyone call cops pigs and the like because all they see are those complaints, and no one ever reports the police officers who are called to go in to someone's home because they think someone has broke in to their home and they're too scared to check themselves(I realize that sounds like I'm blaming the person for calling the cops, and I'm not, that's exactly what you should do, just pointing out the cops do the things the average person is terrified to do), the cops who escort elderly people to the bank at night, the cops who pull people out of burning buildings and cars despite having none of the equipment that fire fighters do(and none of the protection), the cops who have to go in to domestic violence calls and calm not only the husband/wife/whoever down, but often times the kids as well, or the cops who, on every single routine traffic stop they make, have to worry about that person being a wanted fugitive, or that person having a gun or whatever else in the car, ready to kill them over what could very well just be a warning or at worst, a ticket. All those cops who do those things and many more for a disgustingly low salary in most places.

 

I'm sick of seeing nothing reported but the couple of asshole cops, cause they're outnumbered(by a gigantic margin) by good cops. Even when we get the very rare good cop report, it's thrown far down the list on news websites or just mentioned as a side note on the news. The bad cops though? They get 24 hour coverage of their story. It's pathetic.

[BwareDWare94 723]

I'm not equating "Dirty Police Tactics" to all cops. We have some very good cops in our county. I thought it'd be understood that this was a minority of police officers.

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

I'm not equating "Dirty Police Tactics" to all cops. We have some very good cops in our county. I thought it'd be understood that this was a minority of police officers.

 

Don't play stupid. This is the same as all of those articles and reports. Bringing all the attention on the few bad cops and giving none to the good police officers.

 

It's not even a topic of "what is your opinion of police officers". It's straight up "dirty cops this, dirty cops that". The most positive thing you said about police in this thread was your poll options of "some dirty tactics work". Shit like this is a problem. It's all the majority of this stupid country even thinks about anymore in regards to police, including you(obviously, given this topic).