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  1. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    83. Daunte Culpepper (Minnesota Vikings 1999-2005, Miami Dolphins 2006, Oakland Raiders 2007, Detroit Lions 2008-2009) 8th Place Vikings QB Career Record 42-58-0 (42.00%) 92nd out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 29-11-0 (72.50%) 70th out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 13-47-0 (21.67%) 88th out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 40/100 (40.00%) 91st out of 102 (+8) Wins above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.282) Who remembers Daunte Culpepper? Dude was going to be the next big thing in Minnesota, he and Randy Moss were going to live the dream and be the next Montana and Rice and that... never happened. Randy Moss still had a hell of a career, but Culpepper's career took a big nosedive post 2004. The Vikings made it to the NFC Championship in his first year starting in 2000, but the team could not repeat that success as Culpepper struggled in 2001 and 2002. He got it together in 2003 and 2004, throwing all over the field, using his legs to extend plays and make plays of his own and nearly had a MVP season in 2004 throwing for 39 TDs, 11 INTs and nearly 5000 yards. If his career continued on that track, he would have been a Vikings legend. Sadly things weren't meant to be. Moss was traded at the end of the 04 season because Joe Buck was disgusted by his mooning celebration, and Culpepper had to operate without the best WR in football. He was interception prone and sack prone in 2005, and halfway through the season he got his knee shredded on a nasty hit, and never was the same dual threat ever again after that hit. The whole love boat scandal happened not soon after, and Culpepper was gone from the Vikings. He ended up becoming a Dolphin, struggling there, getting hurt and getting benched. Then he joined the Raiders after Moss had just left, to be JaMarcus Russell's backup, but once again struggled with injuries and inconsistent play. He joined the Lions after a brief retirement, but just happened to be one of the guys who helped contribute to the Lions 0-16 campaign before getting hurt once again. Daunte's tale is one of two different careers, and it's so interesting to see just a dramatic divide between what could have been an all time great, and what ended up being a washed up Qb looking for his last semblance of glory. He's the first QB on this list so far to overachieve compared to his defensive ranking, but his record in either situation with his defense was not impressive and thanks to his prolonged career post 2004, he burned his chance of being considered an above average starter for his career.
  2. RazorStar

    Patriots Get Happy Ending

    Can't wait for the Patriots to 'overcome this adversity' and win another Super Bowl.
  3. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    Josh Rosen was also in that draft class, so I mean... small mercies. They did wait 20 years to make the make postseason only to put up 3 points against the jags so that's pretty rough.
  4. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    84. Steve Bartkowski (Atlanta Falcons 1975-1985, Los Angeles Rams 1986) 5th Place Falcons QB Career Record 59-67-0 (46.83%) 82nd out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 45-18-0 (71.43%) 75th out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 14-49-0 (22.22%) 82nd out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 63/126 (50.00%) 64th (T) out of 102 (-20) Wins above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.413) The man, the myth, the legend. Steve Bartkowski was certainly 1 of these things for Falcons fans in the 70's and 80's. Another first overall pick, which is a common trend at this point, QB is the position most likely to be taken at that spot after all, he was drafted ahead of hall of famers like Randy White and Walter Payton. Expected to be the saviour of the franchise early on he was.... not to say the least. He suffered a knee injury in his second season (something of a common trend in his long career), and was benched in his third while the Gritz Blitz was doing its thing. It took until his 6th season in 1980 to finally throw for more touchdowns than interceptions, and he actually gave the Falcons a fair shot to win the NFC that year, but when it mattered the most, his defense let him down in his playoff attempt. The Falcons never really had another opportunity to make the postseason, (sneaking into the 16 team race in 1982 at 5-4 but being quickly dispatched by the Vikings), as Bartkowski wasted most of his defense's good years being hurt, or terrible, or out partying. He did get his career together in the second half, but by that time his defense had folded. He had very efficient seasons in his last two years in Atlanta, but went 3-13 in those seasons, ended up being released, and finished his career with the Rams as part of a QB battery with the rookie Jim Everett and the bridge QB Steve Dils (Yes, that's his name). His defenses were exactly average for his career, but as you can see by this list, he skews below average for long term starters overall. What that means is that typically QB's who have long careers have strong defenses to thank for that. Although that doesn't necessarily mean there is a correlation, but it's something to consider at least. If Bartowski had found his groove earlier in his career, perhaps he would have been a threat for the top 50 on this list, but his skills took a long time to polish and that puts him strictly in the average / below average category he finds himself in now.
  5. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    85. Aaron Brooks (Green Bay Packers 1999, New Orleans Saints 2000-2005, Oakland Raiders 2006) 5th Place Saints QB Career Record 39-53-0 (42.39%) 91st out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 24-15-0 (61.54%) 99th(T) out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 15-38-0 (28.30%) 49th out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 39/92 (42.39%) 85th out of 102 (0) Wins Above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.414) Aaron Brooks had a very weird trajectory for his career, and he's basically just Saints trivia at this point. His career was a very short 7 seasons, but he was the first QB to ever win a post season game for the Saints. While the Saints had made the postseason several times in the Dome Patrol era, they were bounced in the wild card each of the 4 times they showed up. Aaron Brooks led the Saints to the postseason in his rookie year, and outscored the Greatest Show on Turf in 2000 before folding to the Vikings in the divisional round. Brooks never tasted the playoffs again after that, but his play in his rookie season brought a lot of hope to Saints fans. However, the saints were plagued with poor defense for most of the 2000's, and Brooks could only keep the team around .500 before having a major collapse in 2005 that got him benched, got his coach Jim Haslett fired, and Sean Payton brought in. Drew Brees became a free agent, and Brooks' time in New Orleans was done in a rather ignominious fashion. He joined the Raiders the next season, but played musical chairs at the position with Andrew Walter and could never recover the magic he displayed early in his career. Brooks was released at the end of the season, and decided to hang them up at age 30. Brooks was a remarkably inconsistent player, his record when his defenses showed up to play was among the worst of all players in this study, and yet he had a knack for the dramatic, always seeming to match the offenses he faced, and playing a lot of games tight until the 4th quarter. However, he took a serious decline at 29, and it may have had something to do with being unable to adjust to losing his speed as he got older, and his teams lost 18 of his last 21 starts as a result.
  6. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    And we're onto the last player in the Journeyman Rank. The guys from here on qualify as average. Behold, mediocrity! 86. Joe Ferguson (Buffalo Bills 1973-1984, Detroit Lions 1985-1987, Tampa Bay Bucs 1988-1989, Indianapolis Colts 1990) 3rd Place Bills QB Career Record 80-90-0 (47.06%) 80th out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 59-28-0 (67.82%) 86th out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 21-62-0 (25.30%) 66th out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 87/170 (51.18%) 57th out of 102 (-29) Wins Above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.507) Joe Ferguson, aka the guy who handed the ball off to OJ Simpson had a long... very long career for the Bills. During his first 3 seasons in the league, he barely had to throw the ball more than 20 times a games, letting Juice do all the work. His fortunes changed around 1977 when he needed to become the centrepiece of the offense and sling it down field a lot more. Of course, the Bills got much worse as a result, toiling in mediocrity for most of the early live ball era. The Bills drafted Jim Kelly in 1983, but he went to go play in the USFL, so Ferguson got to start for a couple more seasons, but after an abysmal 1-10 showing in 1984, the Bills finally decided to move on. He bounced around as a backup in Detroit, Tampa and Indianapolis before finally hanging up the cleats in 1990. Ferguson's raw numbers for the era weren't very impressive but he stayed healthy, kept his TD:INT ratio around 1, and his completion percentage a shade above 50% for most of his prime, and he managed to have a long career, especially for the era he played in. Nobody will talk about Ferguson as one of the all time greats, but he was just a solid game managerwho was occasionally prone to a real stinker of a game from time to time. He was fortunate to play with OJ Simpson for most of the dead ball era which probably contributed to his long career, the game is a lot easier when you only have to throw 20 times a game. The Bills made the playoffs three times in his career, losing in the Divisional Round each time.
  7. RazorStar

    Who trades for Antonio Brown?

    70's Steelers won on the back of one of the greatest defenses of all time, Swann and Stallworth were average compared to the other receivers of the era. The 49ers had two great QB's in their dynasty and an incredibly underrated scoring defense. Rice was a great piece, but the 49ers would have won all of those super bowls without him. The only super bowl the Colts won was the one where the defense decided to show up for the post season and Peyton decided not to choke against the Patriots that year. Harrison was notorious for going quiet in big playoff games, and Wayne wasn't much better in that regard. You need a team effort to win a super bowl and WR's simply contribute less than all of the other positions on the field barring special teamers by nature of their position. They don't see action unless the other guys are doing their job properly.
  8. RazorStar

    Biggest Douchewad in the NFL?

    Dan Snyder, ya fuckstick.
  9. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    87. Steve Beuerlein (Oakland Raiders 1987-1990, Dallas Cowboys 1991-1992, Arizona Cardinals 1993-1994, Jacksonville Jaguars 1995, Carolina Panthers 1996-2000, Denver Broncos 2001-2003) 7th Place Cardinals QB and 3rd Place Panthers QB Career Record 49-57-0 (46.23%) 85th out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 38-17-0 (69.09%) 81st out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 11-40 (21.47%) 88th out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 55/106 (51.89%) 52nd out of 102 (-35) Wins Above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.530) Beuerlein is probably better known as an announcer, but as it turns out he did have a fairly lengthy career in the NFL, even if it took a long time for him to finally get a starting job. As a 4th round pick for the Raiders he mostly played backup to their revolving door of QB's but he was solid in relief so the Cowboys took him on when his first contract was up. He was a warm enough body to win with that stacked Dallas team in 91, and won a super bowl as a backup in 92 before finally getting a chance to start for real in Arizona. The Cardinals were alright under him, but they couldn't retain him when the expansion draft came around, and he ended being a backup for both the Jags and Panthers in a span of 2 years. Once Kerry Collin's alcoholism hit his team, he finally had a chance to lead the Panthers. While he never got a team past .500 as a starter, he was always a commendable backup and a fair starter when he needed to be. If you're judging him as a starter, he never really broke into that echelon save for his 99' and 00' season, he was just a capable backup who played long enough and got enough chances to just barely break the 90 starts needed for this list. And hell, the fact that he did better on this list than a lot of high draft picks is a testament to his grit.
  10. Hahaha Ok but seriously, I'll take the New York Jeffs.
  11. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    88. Lynn Dickey (Houston Oilers 1971-1975, Green Bay Packers 1976-1985) 3rd Place Packers QB Career Record 47-61-3 (43.69%) 90th out of 102 Record in Games with Good Defense 32-15-3 (67.00%) 92nd out of 102 Record in Games with Bad Defense 15-46-0 (24.59%) 69th out of 102 Percentage of Games with Good Defense 50/111 (45.05%) 78th out of 102 (-10) Wins Above Average Starter in a 16 Game Season (-0.533) There were some dark days in Green Bay, from Vince Lombardi's retirement to the advent of Mike Holmgren. For that near quarter century, the Packers struggled to find that legacy that brought them so many championships. Lynn Dickey represents the best of that dark era for the Packers, at a time where they couldn't find playmakers and had a real difficult time of drawing players to the frozen tundra. Dickey was a backup in Houston, never able to supplant Dan Pastorini for the job in the early 70's, and very turnover prone in relief, throwing 8 TD's and 28 INT's during his 5 year stint for the Oilers. He had a rough start as a Packer after being traded in 76, throwing just 12 TDs to 28 picks before breaking his leg in 77, missing the rest of that season, all of 78' and most of 79'. If his career had ended there it would have been a sad state of affairs, but after recovering from his injury he hit his stride in his 30's, putting up a lot of yards, a lot of points... and a lot of interceptions. Dude gave the ball away like a philanthropic leper gives away everything. He did however set the Packers record for yardage and points in a season in 1983 with 4458 yards, and 429 points, but those marks have since been broken by Aaron Rodgers. The Packers made the playoffs once in his tenure during the strike shortened season of 1982, but they were eliminated by the Cowboys in the second round thanks in large part for his propensity to throw picks. Dickey could sling it with the best of them, but he made so many crucial mistakes that he often gave up losses in games where his defense actually did decide to show up. And as you can see he is only 1 of 3 Packer QB's on this list. Favre and Rodgers will be making appearances later, but Bart Starr did not qualify for starts in the super bowl era.
  12. RazorStar

    Historical QB Rankings

    50 years technically, but yeah, most of the guys early on were pretty abysmal. Think how this would look if my sample size was smaller than ~5.5 seasons worth of starts.
  13. RazorStar

    Alliance Of American Football

    I'd switch the Hotshots and the Commanders right now, but those power ranking look pretty good. I'm thinking of buying a Ross Hotshots Jersey
  14. oh, if butta is coming back he can have the Bears. I'll take the Rams instead.
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