Nfl supports Seahawks final TD

[BenGone 35]

I had the day off so I thought I'd enjoy a nice day of ESPN, NFLN, and just watching some general TV. I had the TV on all day while cleaning house, watching some porn on the computer, doing laundry, smoking a couple bowls, the usual.

 

The only person I heard all f'ing day who thought GT made a legit catch was...

 

...Pete Carrol.

 

Seriously, I watched this shit all day and not 1 person argued in the Seahawks favor. No one.

 

 

 

And how about GT after the game:

Reporter: "Did you push off?"

GT: "I don't know what you're talking about."

 

LMFAO! What a joke this game has turned out to be.

 

At least we're not talking about kneel-downs anymore.

Edited September 26, 2012 by BenGone

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

I had the day off so I thought I'd enjoy a nice day of ESPN, NFLN, and just watching some general TV. I had the TV on all day while cleaning house, watching some porn on the computer, doing laundry, smoking a couple bowls, the usual.

 

The only person I heard all f'ing day who thought GT made a legit catch was...

 

...Pete Carrol.

 

Seriously, I watched this shit all day and not 1 person argued in the Seahawks favor. No one.

 

 

 

And how about GT after the game:

Reporter: "Did you push off?"

GT: "I don't know what you're talking about."

 

LMFAO! What a joke this game has turned out to be.

 

At least we're not talking about kneel-downs anymore.

 

I smoke and I watch porn. Am I cool, too?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm joking, but did find it funny that you mentioned it, lol.

[BenGone 35]

I smoke and I watch porn. Am I cool, too?!

 

I'm joking, but did find it funny that you mentioned it, lol.

HAHA!

 

Only if you can watch porn while still being the master of your domain. That takes talent.

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

HAHA!

 

Only if you can watch porn while still being the master of your domain. That takes talent.

 

I decided to test myself after watching that episode once. I lasted two months and I was 15. Nothing can break my will!

 

Not even JD and company making fun of me can sway my stance on the TD from last night.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

You have to admit that it's KIND OF funny that the only people I have seen argue that call is correct... NBB, Zack, and Dmac.

 

All of which have two things in common.

 

1) They're wrong.

2) They absolutely despise the Packers.

 

 

 

Oh ya... I just posted an Anne Murray music video. Shit is gettin REAL up in hur.

 

That just happened.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Favre4Ever

[funnygunny 521]

I don't understand all the rules in the NFL, especially when it comes to this, so I have no idea who actually maintained possession. But I will say this.

 

If you are on the Packers side, this thread should be directed towards flaming the NFL for standing by the ref's decision, not the actual refs.

 

If you're on the Hawks side, you shouldn't really give a shit because they won the game.

 

Regardless, my point is, as much as I hate the replacement refs, this ONE CALL is legitimately excusable on their part. They weren't able to review the replay fucking 800 times before putting their hands up to signal 6 points. This is a play that even the regular officials can make a incorrect (assuming it is incorrect) ruling on. Possession isn't reviewable, they had to go with what they saw with their own eyes, and to be honest, that was a pretty fucking difficult decision to make without having the luxury of instant replay like we do after they review the score.

 

Give the refs a break on this play.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Possession IS reviewable. That was stated incorrectly by the announcers. By the rules, since the play occurred in the endzone, possession as was determined on the field can be overturned. (Also, that's a dumbass rule, possession should be reviewable regardless of where it occurs.)

 

So, that's pretty much your entire argument thrown out the window.

 

If they couldn't see that it was a TD from watching 60s of replay, then they don't deserve to be refs at any level, much less at the highest level.

 

This is the best shot I've seen so far.

 

 

Forgive my poor attempt at paint here. I have circled what I believe to be Golden Tate's left hand. You can clearly see that only the tips of his fingers are on the ball, and his thumb is clearly off the ball. The other hands on the ball all belong to Green Bay. There is no way on earth that this is Tate's catch.

 

Here's a link to the original picture without my paint edit: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/561467_112725455547229_1065055692_n.jpg

Edited September 26, 2012 by Thanatos19

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

The official wasn't even in the review booth for 60 seconds I don't think...

 

He NEEDED to get down to the endzone and talk with those two guys that called two completely different things. Instead, the play happens, and he runs over to the replay assistant almost immediately... Spends 15 seconds in there, and comes back.

 

Just completely mishandled from top to bottom.

[BwareDWare94 723]

I hate to be Johnny RuleBook but it doesn't matter what it was to any of you. By the rules of the catch, that is a simultaneous catch. It was called correctly.

[Thanatos 2,847]

I hate to be Johnny RuleBook but it doesn't matter what it was to any of you. By the rules of the catch, that is a simultaneous catch. It was called correctly.

 

You're wrong.

 

It's not. Maybe you should go back and read the rule again.

 

Jennings establishes possession first, clearly. Just because Tate may or may not have gotten possession as well, (hint, he never does), is irrelevant. Tate does not catch the ball.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Thanatos19

[Mathias 394]

I hate to be Johnny RuleBook but it doesn't matter what it was to any of you. By the rules of the catch, that is a simultaneous catch. It was called correctly.

 

You clearly don't know the simultaneous possession rule.

 

If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control

 

Where does Golden Tate gain control of the ball first? Don't act like you know the rules and we don't because you clearly do not.

 

Your Vikes looked good, btw.

[BwareDWare94 723]

You clearly don't know the simultaneous possession rule.

 

 

 

Where does Golden Tate gain control of the ball first? Don't act like you know the rules and we don't because you clearly do not.

 

Your Vikes looked good, btw.

 

The video replay shows no definitive control or lack of control with his left hand, is what I'm saying.

 

The Vikings will pick up some surprise wins because Ponder is the real deal. I just don't know if their defense can hold up every week. I'd love to see them drop Detroit to 1-3, though.

[Bucman 891]

This is why you bat the ball down.

[Mathias 394]

The video replay shows no definitive control or lack of control with his left hand, is what I'm saying.

 

The Vikings will pick up some surprise wins because Ponder is the real deal. I just don't know if their defense can hold up every week. I'd love to see them drop Detroit to 1-3, though.

 

So you don't know the rule is what you're saying.

 

 

That is not simultaneous possession.

[Sacks98 28]

 

What if Tate does get one hand on the football? It looks like it from this video that he does but i don't know if you need to get 2 on the ball or not.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Sacks98

[Phins4life 271]

Having 2 hands on the ball doesn't make it a catch. Going up and coming down with it in your possession makes it a catch,

 

Precisely, which is what Jennings did, on top of having BOTH hands on the ball the entire process to go along with clutching it to his chest, whereas Tate only had one, and then subsequently tried to grab with his other hand to make it look simultaneous once they were on the ground scrumming for the ball.

 

 

0:20-0:30 offer what I believe is the best angle to show that Jennings had the upper hand in the possession battle the entire time. He gets both hands on it right away, clutches it to his chest, and keeps both hands on it through the fall to the ground.

 

The screencap Mathias offered up reinforces this.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

You have to admit that it's KIND OF funny that the only people I have seen argue that call is correct... NBB, Zack, and Dmac.

 

All of which have two things in common.

 

1) They're wrong.

2) They absolutely despise the Packers.

 

 

Lawl, it was only a matter of time before you pulled that one out. It has nothing to do with the team I was rooting for. I've said a lot of things on this thread, the pass not being intercepted isn't one of them.

 

The video replay shows no definitive control or lack of control with his left hand, is what I'm saying.

 

The Vikings will pick up some surprise wins because Ponder is the real deal. I just don't know if their defense can hold up every week. I'd love to see them drop Detroit to 1-3, though.

 

This x100 . People can use as many pictures they want, but that's showing one image out of how many? Anybody can take an image of a bang bang play and use it as a reasoning for why they see what they want to see.

 

But there is absolutely no way from looking at any clip that you can say that Tate without a doubt had no possession of that football when the ball hits his hand. Especially since it hits both hands at the same time.

 

So you don't know the rule is what you're saying.

 

 

That is not simultaneous possession.

 

And of all the pictures you could use to prove a point, this could be the most laughable one. It tells absolutely nothing as far as the call is concerned.

 

How long were they rolling on the field after the refs came in? A long time. So hey! Let's take one pic of them when they are rolling around, from one angle, and use that to prove a point. Makes a lot of sense.

[Mathias 394]

Except, they're not rolling on the ground as you claim. As this .gif shows.

 

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

lol. Regardless of whether they are spinning around or not, they are both shuffling for the ball when they are on the ground for a pretty long time. Trying to pick out one image frame, from angle when they they've been down their for God knows how long doesn't prove anything.

[Sacks98 28]

http://www.q13fox.com/sports/football/seahawks/kcpq-seahawks-capitalize-on-lastsecond-hail-mary-pass-beat-packers-1412-20120924,0,5401209.story

 

Here is another angle of the pass play if anyone is interested in looking at it this one is from behind.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Sacks98

[Mathias 394]

lol. Regardless of whether they are spinning around or not, they are both shuffling for the ball when they are on the ground for a pretty long time. Trying to pick out one image frame, from angle when they they've been down their for God knows how long doesn't prove anything.

 

What support do you have that it was simultaneous possession?

 

You haven't brought out any evidence.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

 

And of all the pictures you could use to prove a point, this could be the most laughable one. It tells absolutely nothing as far as the call is concerned.

 

How long were they rolling on the field after the refs came in? A long time. So hey! Let's take one pic of them when they are rolling around, from one angle, and use that to prove a point. Makes a lot of sense.

 

I used the .gif that you gave to me to prove just how wrong you were. Although I did find it comical that you gave the best evidence to support the claim you were arguing against.

 

I am stealing some of the next part from Dan Patrick and it isn't in response to any one member here...

 

As Packer fans, we just have to bite the bullet on this entire situation. We went into Seattle, beat them, and still got a mark in the loss column. We don't like it, everyone in the league... From coaches, to players, to fans knows the truth. And in the long run, it might have been the best thing that could have happened.... The other teams, the players, the fans will all be better off because as of right now the NFLRA and NFL are coming dangerously close to a deal. We could see the real refs THIS week, or so I have been reading. Maybe next week at the latest.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

What support do you have that it was simultaneous possession?

 

You haven't brought out any evidence.

 

I don't need evidence. lol.

 

All I've been saying is that there is no way to prove that Tate had no control of the ball with 100% certainty. That's all I said, and so far all you guys keep doing is explaining what you think happened between Jennings getting that ball and coming down with it.

 

Regardless of what you think happened there are still some obvious facts that leave the door open for the possibility of it being a dual possession.

 

Fact #1. Tate got at least his fingertips on the ball at the same time, if not before Jennings.

 

Fact #2. Tate kept that same hand on the ball from the time he first touched it to the point they both went down, that hand never leaves the ball. At least from every single replay I've seen.

 

As long as those two facts are out there and remain consistent, unless if you have proof of Tate's left hand leaving the ball at any point between going up for the catch and coming down with it. There is no justifiable reason, outside of what you believe or may think happened, to rule out the possibility that he had some control of the ball. And if there is any case he had any control of that ball the entire process, then how can you rule out the possibility of a simultaneous possession?

Edited September 26, 2012 by DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F

[Dutch 874]

I don't need evidence. lol.

 

All I've been saying is that there is no way to prove that Tate had no control of the ball with 100% certainty. That's all I said, and so far all you guys keep doing is explaining what you think happened between Jennings getting that ball and coming down with it.

 

Regardless of what you think happened there are still some obvious facts that leave the door open for the possibility of it being a dual possession.

 

Fact #1. Tate got at least his fingertips on the ball at the same time, if not before Jennings.

 

Fact #2. Tate kept that same hand on the ball from the time he first touched it to the point they both went down, that hand never leaves the ball. At least from every single replay I've seen.

 

As long as those two facts are out there and remain consistent, unless if you have proof of Tate's left hand leaving the ball at any point between going up for the catch and coming down with it. There is no justifiable reason, outside of what you believe or may think happened, to rule out the possibility that he had some control of the ball. And if there is any case he had any control of that ball the entire process, then how can you rule out the possibility of a simultaneous possession?

 

 

This just occurred to me... You're TROLLING!! Nice, you had us for a while there.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

This just occurred to me... You're TROLLING!! Nice, you had us for a while there.

 

I'm known for a lot of things on this site... Trolling probably isn't one of them... lol...