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Implementing the legally required sanctions while ending the hostility to our usual allies in the EU/NATO would be a nice start.

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Any sanctions that we enact is just going to turn into a dick measuring contest by Pooty Poot and Trump. We do one thing, he's gonna do it bigger.. then Trump is gonna go bigger than that...

 

That doesn't seem productive...

 

And NATO is a shame, I don't see how bowing to them is a punishment for Russia.

 

It just seems like your proposed solutions would actually hurt / affect the US more than the Russian meddling hurt the US. Seems illogical to me.

 

Again, I am not against finding something to do... I just don't know exactly what that would look like.

 

Trumps very logical view on NATO :smug:

The United States is proud to bear its share of the defense of the Transatlantic Alliance. It is the cornerstone of our security. But we can’t do it alone. And we’re going to need to make sure that everybody who is a member of NATO has full membership. They expect full membership when it comes to their defense; then that means that they’ve also got to make a contribution that is commensurate with full membership

 

 

NATO is very reliant on U.S. capabilities but has not always invested in some joint capabilities that would be important as well. And it’s going to require every NATO member to step up. We have seen a decline steadily in European defense spending generally. There are exceptions -- like Poland, like Estonia -- but for the most part, we have seen a steady decline. That has to change.

 

 

Every NATO member has to do its fair share.

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In completely un-shocking news, Trump has no clue how NATO works. The US is not getting ripped off by other members and we're not subsidizing their lack of spending, as he constantly implies.

 

And anyone who is not alarmed that Trump just took the word of a at-the-very-least-unfriendly-nation's leader over every single one of our own intelligence agency's conclusions is silly. Seems even most of the GOP understands that what Trump just did was horrendously irresponsible to say the least.

 

Trump sucking up to Putin while dissing our intelligence and dodging questions about Russian interference in the US elections is extremely disappointing, though not unexpected.

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Its an alliance that says that if one member is attacked, all the other members will help with defense. It makes attacking any NATO member an incredibly risky proposition, which is why Putin is so eager to have it undermined by trump. Yeah the US pays a lot, but its basically the reason we haven't had a war between the European powers since World War 2.

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Is attacking the US not a risky proposition on it's own? When you hear about potential threats against the US, the rhetoric is almost never... Don't do it because of NATO.

 

I understand that there are no like... minimums NATO actually requires when it comes to spending... But as you can see by the quote of the President above, there was a steady pattern of decreased military spending in Europe.

 

I get it. Latvia isn't going to be pushing in as much cash as the US -- but that is why when you see NATO spending charts it's usually in a %. Germany, France, Italy, Canada... all Top 10 world economies.... Putting in absolute dick. lmao.

 

Again, per the President... Greece, going through an economic crisis can hit the 2% mark -- no reason these other Top 10 economies can't. No reason at all. When, as a collective group you put 2% as a target and only 4 or 5 of your almost 30 countries hit that mark on a yearly basis... Something is wrong.

 

Maybe that 2% is just unrealistic? Fair. Cut that as a goal then. Make the goal something more realistic for members.

 

Although.. Where I disagree with the President.. While those other countries could certainly bump spending. The US could definitely decrease spending. We're putting way too much into the pot of national defense (not just NATO).

 

Slash spending, get us in line with our allies.

 

EDIT: If we were to cut our spending to the 2% guideline -- we'd free up 314.5 billion dollars. A lot of good things we could do with 300 billion dollars. Roughly 70% of the American workforce makes less than 50k a year... take that extra defense spending away and make a real stimulus package.. 3k a year for everyone! Real stimulus! Obama should've put me in the administration. Somebody send Trump my resume.

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What do you guys think about the role of defense contractors in defense spending?

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What do you guys think about the role of defense contractors in defense spending?

The military-industrial complex is a completely seperate beast.

 

Oh and btw, the 2% number was an agreement for all countries to reach by 2024 so no one is actually even "breaking their promise" yet anyways.

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The military-industrial complex is a completely seperate beast.

 

Oh and btw, the 2% number was an agreement for all countries to reach by 2024 so no one is actually even "breaking their promise" yet anyways.

Oh and btw the inception of the 2% standard came to be BECAUSE too many countries werent pulling their weight financially

 

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And I will reiterate, I am not hung up on the 2% . If our allies really cant hit that number... Im fine dropping it and our spending with it. Im 100% fine with that I may even prefer it

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If NATO dissolves, Russia is gonna move in on Eastern Europe like a bitch.

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Hopefully.

Didn't you advocate a preemptive strike on North Korea?

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If NATO dissolves, Russia is gonna move in on Eastern Europe like a bitch.

No they wont.

 

Guess what would happen... wed still ally with Europe anyway because our country loves standing on the pulpit and being in war nonstop.

 

If Russia moves on anyone in a major way, I guarantee the US would still outspend every other country except MAYBE the defending nation depending on who it is.

 

You act like if NATO didnt exist we wouldnt go help or that the Europeans wouldnt accept our help in the scenario of a literal Russian invasion.

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Leaving NATO would be explicitly sending a message that we won't stick up for our European allies. Otherwise we wouldn't leave.

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Didn't you advocate a preemptive strike on North Korea?

That's our fight. They were not threatening Europe. They were threatening us directly. Honestly we shouldn't be Europe's bodyguard. Since they have quit threatening with nukes I am happy to let them be.

 

Trump was right about one thing. Without us NATO is a nothing organization that can't defend themselves. They have been relying on the US and our military forever now. If they are not willing to share the burden of having to pay for a military that is capable of defending them, then I don't see why it should fall to us to be the muscle.

 

We have enough shit to worry about without inheriting their problems.

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Leaving NATO would be explicitly sending a message that we won't stick up for our European allies. Otherwise we wouldn't leave.

 

I get what you're saying. It would send a bad message -- but you're dodging the point of my post. Leaving NATO would probably leave a bad taste in the mouths of our allies, for sure. But that doesn't mean we are going full isolationist. That doesn't mean that we would show up at the front lines with soldiers and they're going to tell us to go home because they're mad we left NATO. lol

 

Theoretically, the US removes itself from NATO. Theoretically, Russia begins an invasion of Europe.

 

The US WILL get involved. Europe / rest of NATO WILL accept our help.

 

 

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Hating Russia is so 1980's. The Cold War is over Blots.

 

 

(This is tongue in cheek, don't get emo on me)

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Leaving NATO would be explicitly sending a message that we won't stick up for our European allies. Otherwise we wouldn't leave.

This doesn't make sense to me for the same reason the United States bitching about the NATO countries not spending enough.

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I trust that given the release of the indictment against the 12 Russians, Sean can stop claiming that there was no Russian conspiracy to help Trump and hurt Clinton. It is there in black and white that there was and that members of Trump's campaign assisted in it. The only remaining question is whether Trump himself knew about it.

 

If he did- even if he didn't actually do anything, but merely had knowledge of it- he should and almost certainly will be impeached.

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I trust that given the release of the indictment against the 12 Russians, Sean can stop claiming that there was no Russian conspiracy to help Trump and hurt Clinton. It is there in black and white that there was and that members of Trump's campaign assisted in it. The only remaining question is whether Trump himself knew about it.

 

If he did- even if he didn't actually do anything, but merely had knowledge of it- he should and almost certainly will be impeached.

 

Wouldn't doubt it. After that we're in for some real trouble. FML at President Pence. Covnersion therapy centers at every HS in the country. Can't wait.

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If he did- even if he didn't actually do anything, but merely had knowledge of it- he should and almost certainly will be impeached.

When did the democrats take the house + 67 seats in the senate?

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When did the democrats take the house + 67 seats in the senate?

 

The GOP will save face by jettisoning Trump if its proven.

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Yeah, if it comes out that Trump did know about it I don't think there is much to save him. The GOP hit him so hard after his Putin meeting that he did one of his " I misspoke" walk backs. lol. I don't think they do a lot of hesitating if that kind of information is revealed.

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Trump has had numerous impeachable offenses since coming to office and it hasn't gotten the Republicans to do one iota. The DOJ report made it pretty clear that Russia's ties to the Republican party go far deeper than trump. The party taking action against him besides saying that they're sad seems incredibly unlikely. If they wanted, they could get his tax returns and pass a law protecting Mueller today. Every single Democrat would vote for it.

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