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Sorry I was actually Scarlett Johansson I was talking about, not Margot Robbie. By the way my point still stands.

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Gay people can be assholes too. I don't think pointing out how a gay person or group of gay people are being dicks makes you intolerant. I think this is kind of just the internet though. Remember what happened to that Asian broad who was in the new Star Wars? She had to get rid of all her personal social media accounts.

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Ngata isnt wrong. I have childhood friends on Facebook who are gay and they talk very openly about how awful and bullying the LGBTQ community is to each other especially if you dont have the right body type.

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Just like any group of people there's going to be some who are dicks. The internet is a brutal place. Nobody is safe. I would say most if not all internet public figures regardless of what they're all about get hate in their comments section. Some of them are trolls but some of them are serious. I think people need to take it less seriously and ignore it as much as possible tbh.

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Yeah those gay people that bullied her are jerks. No one is arguing that. It's clear that Ngata only gives a shit so he can do his usual "[oppressed minority group] are the real bigots" schtick. It's not clever or original.

 

Edit: also if we're doing the whole "gay friends" thing, I'd like to point out that the gay people I know are much more bothered by the fact that the political party in power wants to support discrimination against them. Much more than a few random jerks on twitter.

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Eh, I feel like Ngata is a good dude but he's basically public enemy number 1 in this country right now. He's a white dude with money. He's a good example of how we've been set against each other by propaganda. It's silly to act as though white dudes with money are oppressed though. They own the country but I do understand how somebody like him could feel like it's bullshit he's attacked. He doesn't make the rules. He wasn't born with money, he worked in the existing system for everything he has. I think the point he wants to make is that the path to equality shouldn't be by knocking someone else down. It's a valid point.

 

I harp on this all the time but there are propaganda efforts by the state and intelligence agencies to set people against each other. Blots, you're right too. People have also been convinced somehow that those with no money and no power are the problem. We're being diverted from our real enemy. Our rulers and I'm not talking about Senators and President's

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Whether or not he has money is completely irrelevant. He doesn't gay people, can't help but use slurs against them, and really couldn't care less about online bullying until it gave him an excuse to be homophobic. And then to justify his use of slurs with "well the brits say it" is asinine. He isn't British and is just saying it so he has an excuse to be an asshole. It's disingenuous and no gay person would appreciate an "ally" like that.

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They might not appreciate an ally like that but they damn sure could use one. We wouldn't have civil rights for anyone but white guys if there weren't white guys supporting those civil rights.

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Yeah those gay people that bullied her are jerks. No one is arguing that. It's clear that Ngata only gives a shit so he can do his usual "[oppressed minority group] are the real bigots" schtick. It's not clever or original.

Edit: also if we're doing the whole "gay friends" thing, I'd like to point out that the gay people I know are much more bothered by the fact that the political party in power wants to support discrimination against them. Much more than a few random jerks on twitter.

is this your stick where you make up the argument that I'm actually trying to argue, and then you argue that. You're the only one talking about bigots, cleaning people are bigots, because instead of actually arguing the point which you know you can do, you would rather call people tickets.

 

you never address any points, you just impute an argument to somebody, that usually involves you taking the moral High ground, and then you argue that. Nobody's ever said that all lgbtq people are assholes, what we are saying is that a lot of them are, maybe not by percentage but when you try to make it sound like only three or four or harassing these people, when in actuality it's thousands, you're the one who's trying to marginalize the suffering of someone else so that way you can still hold the LGBT community on a pedestal.

 

there are no different than anyone else, they have the propensity of great things, in the propensity to be an asshole just like everyone else. They're not some special group that has better morals, they're not some special group that has more rights to anything else, they're just people in the more people like you who treat them like they're a protected class is exactly why we have the division in this country that we do.

 

just because you're not in the shoutbox every waking moment, or you don't mirror my patterns when I'm in the shout box doesn't mean I haven't expressed anger over this happening before.

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Whether or not he has money is completely irrelevant. He doesn't gay people, can't help but use slurs against them, and really couldn't care less about online bullying until it gave him an excuse to be homophobic. And then to justify his use of slurs with "well the brits say it" is asinine. He isn't British and is just saying it so he has an excuse to be an asshole. It's disingenuous and no gay person would appreciate an "ally" like that.

No, I'm Irish. It's way better. Again how do you get to impute my argument to me. You say all of these things if you know theyre facts, but as I said in my previous post I have addressed these things and the shout box several times. The fact that you weren't here to see him doesn't mean it didn't happen. Actually think I've even dressed it a couple times in this thread.

 

you want to talk about who gay people don't need is an ally, it's people like you. people who defend them as though they can do no wrong, and that there aren't an equal percentage of assholes among that Community is there are any other community.

 

look around you blots, you, are always the one who starts mudslinging. You're the only one in this conversation who has to go to insults right off the bat. You insulted other posters, because you don't want to address the real issue. Not once have you addressed anything that was said. Instead you attack me, which is fine by me because your opinion means literally less than nothing to me. The fact that you can't ever have a civil debate with another human being means that there is no point in even agreeing to disagree.

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Eh, I feel like Ngata is a good dude but he's basically public enemy number 1 in this country right now. He's a white dude with money. He's a good example of how we've been set against each other by propaganda. It's silly to act as though white dudes with money are oppressed though. They own the country but I do understand how somebody like him could feel like it's bullshit he's attacked. He doesn't make the rules. He wasn't born with money, he worked in the existing system for everything he has. I think the point he wants to make is that the path to equality shouldn't be by knocking someone else down. It's a valid point.

I harp on this all the time but there are propaganda efforts by the state and intelligence agencies to set people against each other. Blots, you're right too. People have also been convinced somehow that those with no money and no power are the problem. We're being diverted from our real enemy. Our rulers and I'm not talking about Senators and President's

I got to admit man, there are some small Pleasures to it. People don't like hearing it, but when people come from nothing to achieve something people have to tear them down for that too. But it's funny, because they always like to say they're being held down, if you don't want to be denied, become undeniable.

 

I don't think poor people are the problem, I think there's plenty of people who work hard all the time, and some of them were poor not necessarily by choice but because they love their job, but it's not necessarily a trade that we hold in high regard. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

I have been about as poor as you can be, and to be honest if there's a group other than kids that I absolutely go out of my way to help, it's homeless people. They have some of the best damn stories you've ever heard, and it's not always the generic well I'm a drug user, so that's why I find myself here.

 

I really think you're onto something with blowing up the Democratic party, because everyone's gone so far left that they are literally repelling everyone else. The party is become repulsive and it's starting to cannibalize itself. That being said it's not like Republicans or anything to write home about either. I have to admit though I don't see you the one of those things changing, there's too much money and keeping his hating each other. Which is something I'm especially good at, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

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is this your stick where you make up the argument that I'm actually trying to argue, and then you argue that. You're the only one talking about bigots, cleaning people are bigots, because instead of actually arguing the point which you know you can do, you would rather call people tickets.

 

you never address any points, you just impute an argument to somebody, that usually involves you taking the moral High ground, and then you argue that. Nobody's ever said that all lgbtq people are assholes, what we are saying is that a lot of them are, maybe not by percentage but when you try to make it sound like only three or four or harassing these people, when in actuality it's thousands, you're the one who's trying to marginalize the suffering of someone else so that way you can still hold the LGBT community on a pedestal.

 

there are no different than anyone else, they have the propensity of great things, in the propensity to be an asshole just like everyone else. They're not some special group that has better morals, they're not some special group that has more rights to anything else, they're just people in the more people like you who treat them like they're a protected class is exactly why we have the division in this country that we do.

 

just because you're not in the shoutbox every waking moment, or you don't mirror my patterns when I'm in the shout box doesn't mean I haven't expressed anger over this happening before.

The lgbtq community is one of the most intolerant groups of people in this country.

Womp womp.

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Don't you say people are intolerant all the time

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I mean sure. You can say I'm bigoted against trump voters or whatever. You're being bigoted against LGBT people. You were denying it. I'm glad you're not anymore.

 

If you'd like to go into the difference between the two groups, we can do that as well.

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So you don't think there's any intolerance in that group? Have a question for you, earlier JD said that he had friends that even admitted that, and then you recounted that with the fact that you know people that don't think that at all. So then why is it the people you know, are more important than the people he knows? Are the gay people you know better than the gay people he knows? Really who's intolerant here? Isn't it the guy who says the people he knows are better than the people other people know.

 

You are, and always have been the most intolerant person on this board. So I think it's kind of funny that you're the one pointing the finger so often.

 

It's also funny how Sean said I am public enemy number one because I am white and rich, and you say money has nothing to do with it....interesting you didn't refute the other part.

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There is a large difference between "some gay people are intolerant jerks" and "The lgbtq community is one of the most intolerant groups of people in this country."

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One day I'll convince you all that I'm right and draft you into my coalition. Ha

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Oh and you can quantify the thousands of people who have been insulting these people for not being gay enough. Interesting power you have there. Again Favre knows people who say it is, but they don't count as much as your gay friends... Everyone else is intolerant.

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What if everyone who was against money in pitics and war said fuck it we all agree on this. We're not voting for anyone who takes corporate money or anyone that advocates for war and more defense spending? What would the country look like. I think those things are popular regardless of party. If we could put everything aside and just agree on those two things imagine the possibilities.

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More and more Dems are refusing to accept money from PACs and I think it's a great idea. Even from a practical standpoint, I think when all your funds come from private donations, it gets regular people more motivated to donate, meaning more money for you anyways.

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Yeah I love that idea but I'm skeptically watching the back door. It's certainly a step in the right direction and so is reducing super delegates (even though they shouldn't exist at all). Progressives have gained so much momentum the last 3 years. The establishment is trying their hardest to kill the movement but if they do they will also be killing the party and I think they're beginning to understand that. We can't stop fighting even if we win though. They certainly will never give up so neither can we. We need to be wary of wolves in sheep's clothing that will try to sabotage.

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Yeah those gay people that bullied her are jerks. No one is arguing that. It's clear that Ngata only gives a shit so he can do his usual "[oppressed minority group] are the real bigots" schtick. It's not clever or original.

 

Edit: also if we're doing the whole "gay friends" thing, I'd like to point out that the gay people I know are much more bothered by the fact that the political party in power wants to support discrimination against them. Much more than a few random jerks on twitter.

Me bringing up that I have gay friends on Facebook wasnt some kind of justification Nor was I using it as a way to somehow prove I know the gay community better than any of you all.

 

Just sharing the perspective of gay Iowans who have a lot of trouble and pain because hey dont fit in. They talk about it extensively and it sucks to read.

 

You can try to minimize and diminish what Ngata is saying but people relate to that. It is a problem. I see it.

 

If you wouldve rather me just blankly made a comment about the LGBTQ community in general I couldve.

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Homophobia is weird man. There are a lot of levels of homophobia. I'm more homophobic than some less than a lot I like to think. I try my best not to be but in reality I still am. I think a lot of people who are homophobic are for gay rights out of principal even if they don't like gay people or even if they think it's wrong which is weird. Kind of like struggling between what they know is right vs how they were brought up. I think there are people who hate gay people and don't care if they have rights buy how many people really hate gays vs. how many people just have never really been around openly gay people?

 

If I had to guess, Ngata is a little homophobic but I don't think he's the type of guy that hates gay people. I know a lot of people who came up the way he did, got into the same kind of field as him.

 

JD I would say is way less homophobic. I know he has extensive experience working in restaurants and has probably known a lot of gay people compared to a Marine construction worker turned business owner. Different life experiences. Neither of these guys are hateful. Cynical? Sure but I don't see hatred.

 

Most people who aren't homophobic at all have had life experiences or known family members or had friends etc. If you're only image of a group of people is their social media presence then of course you will think they're shit lol. I think overall people need to be less homphobic and we're making strides but understanding has to be there on both sides. If someone feels you're unwilling to listen to what they have to say they will never listen to you.

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Homophobia is weird man. There are a lot of levels of homophobia. I'm more homophobic than some less than a lot I like to think. I try my best not to be but in reality I still am. I think a lot of people who are homophobic are for gay rights out of principal even if they don't like gay people or even if they think it's wrong which is weird. Kind of like struggling between what they know is right vs how they were brought up. I think there are people who hate gay people and don't care if they have rights buy how many people really hate gays vs. how many people just have never really been around openly gay people?

If I had to guess, Ngata is a little homophobic but I don't think he's the type of guy that hates gay people. I know a lot of people who came up the way he did, got into the same kind of field as him.

JD I would say is way less homophobic. I know he has extensive experience working in restaurants and has probably known a lot of gay people compared to a Marine construction worker turned business owner. Different life experiences. Neither of these guys are hateful. Cynical? Sure but I don't see hatred.

Most people who aren't homophobic at all have had life experiences or known family members or had friends etc. If you're only image of a group of people is their social media presence then of course you will think they're shit lol. I think overall people need to be less homphobic and we're making strides but understanding has to be there on both sides. If someone feels you're unwilling to listen to what they have to say they will never listen to you.

It depends on your definition of homophobic. If two dudes are two chicks want to have sex, God bless them. I have nothing against that, I have nothing against that lifestyle. there's only one part of the lgbtq community that doesn't make any sense to me. That's transgender people, and I by no means think they should be deprived of Rights. What it is for me, is the children who believe they're transgender whose parents put them on puberty blockers. I think that is an absolutely draconian practice. I think it's horrible, because what if it is just a phase. To be fair, it could be permanent and it might help them, but could you imagine having your hormonal development completely screwed up because somebody put you on something that artificially mess with your hormones, for something that was a phase? Even though, that really doesn't affect me personally so they can do what they want.

 

what bothers me about the lgbtq thing on principle is the fact that you can't question anything about it. I view it much like the military. Most of the people in the military are outstanding people who are there to do something that they believe is a good thing. I believe the majority of the lgbtq community is the same way. However to deny that there are thousands of people in the military, and lgbtq Community for that matter, who are bad people is insane. the fact that were not allowed to question any of this is what really bothers me, as if there's some protected class that's above reproach. you can't even question the most basic of things, it's like we're told that they're all good people and that we can't question that. Any other cross-section of people, and we could talk about it openly, this one though, not hardly.

 

Just look at this conversation, bunch of cunts who bullied some lady, can't be called that because they belong to a community where you can't question it. What kind of sense does that make? We want to talk about equality but we can't point out flaws and another group of people? I mean sure we can sit here and allow the good things that they did all day, which I'm fine with. Elton John's the man, the guy who plays Sheldon Cooper's awesome, there's plenty of good examples of gay people littered throughout our society. That being said when there's a group of people that screw up, and they just so happen to believe in that Community, you can't say anything. Granted I don't believe Blots embodies Democrats by and large and is not their voice so this conversation could be a bad analogy to how DEMOCRATS converse.

 

it's just like the thing at Charlottesville, those group of racist assholes are not indicative of the entire white race, and nobody has an issue calling that group of people out for being a bunch of dick heads. God forbid you do that to another group of people though.

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I sure missed a good back-and-forth there

 

The debate between Ngata and blots covers a very important base--accountability for bullying behavior. The reaction, public shaming, etc. should be the same for any bully, regardless of their race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

 

There should not be any special groups that are considered exceptions to our expectations of individual and/or collective conduct.

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