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And likelihood of false accusations has no effect on whether or not a false accusation should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

She said is not enough evidence of wrongdoing

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What has Trump done that's actually threatened LGBWTF rights? Nothing. He just doesn't entertain stupid laws, irrational rhetoric, and PC nonsense. It's refreshing.

Also, stop pretending you aren't homophobic.

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Everything Trump has done or can do is reversable. At least people are fighting Trump. I wish it wasn't mostly from the right screaming about how he should be more hawkish towards a nuclear power. Liberals have to unite under a grass roots movement. As long as they're run by corporate money this country is headed in the wrong direction. If Hillary won we'd be looking at a lot of liberals defending and supporting the TPP. Now we have people out in the streets, running campaigns getting active to fight Trump and the GOP.

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Also, stop pretending you aren't homophobic.

You don't get to assign labels without evidence. Just because I don't support vague overreach laws doesn't mean I don't support gay rights.

 

Also, stop pretending you're a reasonable, intelligent human being if you aren't going to be more open to opposing ideas and less willing to demonstrably use hyperbole and libel as a defense mechanism against conservative viewpoints you can't refute and/or prove to be wrong. You've done nothing but insult Ngata with your responses. It's a shame. And fruitless.

 

Pretty soon you're going to need the fire department to get you down from your high horse.

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You don't get to assign labels without evidence.

LGBWTF

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I'll be honest, blots and than have moved me somewhat on the trans issue. I made the same point as BWare about it being a mental illness because I read something some doctor smarter than me said but I think Than showed me another smart doctor saying that it wasn't a mental illness because some people who go through a transition have gone on to live happy and successful lives. It's something that truthfully I don't understand.

 

Out of curiosity BWare, how much personal experience do you have in dealing with the lgbtq community?

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That's the thing with trans diagnosise is that some say it is and some say it isn't. I PERSONALLY think it is. That said, it's not a big deal. We have stigmatized mental health issues for so long, that we don't understand that a lot of these people can go on to live happy, successful, and meaningful life. It is much like the Asperger's syndrome, and how people of stigmatized it to mean that they are socially awkward, and then they blow up for no reason. In some cases, sure, it can definitely happen. And a lot of others, it's something that is treatable and they can go on about their lives just as any other person who can.

 

the only thing that bothers me about the trans community in an of itself, is the puberty blockers. I think those things are terrible, especially when you have people trying to put 6 year old kids on them. When it comes to people that transition after their brain is developed, good luck, I hope it goes well for you. I hope you don't end up another statistic of suicide. i really hope they do find happiness. I just can't in good conscience condone something like puberty blockers.

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If someone is on puberty blockers and changes their mind, they go off of them and go through puberty normally, just at an older age (because of the puberty blockers).

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see I read a bunch of Articles, from doctors from esteemed colleges like Washington State, John Hopkins University, and Arizona State who say that they're actually bad for youth when you use them early. Then again, you can't really discount the plethora of evidence from other doctor saying that they are effective. So again we're left in the quandary of who to believe. I certainly don't have the background to be able to make an informed opinion for myself from knowledge, so I have to default to people who are experts. But what happens when the scientific Community doesn't agree? And these people are outliers, there are several leading universities, and chairs of medicine at those universities who say it's bad practice. So I really don't know what to do with that information.

 

Then from the standpoint of going through puberty later. I think puberty happens at about the right age. the reason I say this is because if I have a 19 or 20 year old on a job site is going through puberty and he's hormonal, and temperamental I really don't need that. Sure there's a certain degree of both of those in the workplace anyway, but your body goes through a flood of hormones through puberty, much more so than you would find in the typical adult. I could see putting them in stressful situations where they need to make ends meet with a family, I know they have hormones raging through their body, and a hard day at work, I just see that being a recipe for disaster.

 

and if you're going to tell me that your 6 year old is transgender, and they're so sure of that that they want to be on puberty blockers, I wonder how they got that idea. It seems to me like a parent's probably pushing that. For me this conversation becomes viable when they're about 15 16 or 17, but even then I would be hesitant of puberty blockers. I know myself, for my own children, I would try to dissuade them from using them, now if they were to get their own job, their own insurance, there really isn't much I could do about it. That being said if they want to do in their early twenties, I would pay for it if that's what they wanted. I just don't think using puberty blockers on children is safe, or good practice.

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If someone is on puberty blockers and changes their mind, they go off of them and go through puberty normally, just at an older age (because of the puberty blockers).

...that's not how it works

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I'll be honest, blots and than have moved me somewhat on the trans issue. I made the same point as BWare about it being a mental illness because I read something some doctor smarter than me said but I think Than showed me another smart doctor saying that it wasn't a mental illness because some people who go through a transition have gone on to live happy and successful lives. It's something that truthfully I don't understand.

 

Out of curiosity BWare, how much personal experience do you have in dealing with the lgbtq community?

College and some people I've kept in touch with since then.

 

I don't take issue with them--i take issue with the ridiculous elements of the LGBWTF discussion right now.

 

Also, the WTF is for all the stupid non-existent sexualities and absurd identities like non-binary and gender fluid and especially the really, really stupid ones like animal kin.

 

I don't think trans itself is a mental illness but I do think there's a mental illness aspect, evidenced by the high rates of depression and anxiety that come with the condition.

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Ignoring the usual garbage there...

 

Trump said that it should be illegal for someone to flip in court. So basically he is done pretending that he isn't a criminal and just wants to attack the means by which he could face consequences for said crimes.

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Not garbage, just a different perspective that's equally viable.

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Ignoring the usual garbage there...

 

Trump said that it should be illegal for someone to flip in court. So basically he is done pretending that he isn't a criminal and just wants to attack the means by which he could face consequences for said crimes.

Hes not really gonna face many consequences though is he? At most he will resign, dont you think? I cant imagine a world where they actually lock him up, for example.

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I'm with you, I don't think there's any way he goes to jail. Not that I wouldn't love to see it, mind you. On one hand, I think he's do independently wealthy. On the other he is definitely committed crimes, so you would figure that he would be punished accordingly. That being said there's not really a precedent of a president going to jail, at best they resign Ala Nixon. Best case scenario they try to make an example of him, on how this country is going to deal with crooked politicians going forward. That being said, I just don't think it's in the cards.

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Hes not really gonna face many consequences though is he? At most he will resign, dont you think? I cant imagine a world where they actually lock him up, for example.

 

The current New York State AD democratic primary is just a competition between who can say "I'm gonna go after trump the hardest." Pence couldn't pardon those either.

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In an ideal world, Pence will be sitting on the train or police escort out of DC right next to him.

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In an ideal world, Pence will be sitting on the train or police escort out of DC right next to him.

 

I mean, yes but donald trump is the president so I think we can toss that "ideal world" part out the window.

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And likelihood of false accusations has no effect on whether or not a false accusation should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

She said is not enough evidence of wrongdoing

 

If it was, they would be in jail as soon as she said it.

 

Look, its a problem, the issue is this has become a flashpoint issue for the "men's rights" crowd as if its a problem equal to rape, which it is not, and rolling back protections on campuses for sexual assaults based on a infinitesimally small number of them being false accusations is complete bullshit.

 

You asked to provide something that was going after women's rights, and I did. This is not even touching the abortion issue.

 

Incidentally the "six year olds on puberty blockers" is in the same boat. There was one case that got national attention because some parents are complete idiots. No six year old child should take puberty blockers, I agree with you there, but this isn't some widespread thing, that is not at all something that is going on. It's merely another fearmongering campaign by the right to try to go after people different from themselves with the "think of the kids!" angle. They do this all the time, but especially for sexuality- trans people in bathrooms, gay people adopting, etc.

 

It's an appeal to the hardline religious right and its despicable, not to mention incredibly misleading.

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If it was, they would be in jail as soon as she said it.

 

Look, its a problem, the issue is this has become a flashpoint issue for the "men's rights" crowd as if its a problem equal to rape, which it is not, and rolling back protections on campuses for sexual assaults based on a infinitesimally small number of them being false accusations is complete bullshit.

 

You asked to provide something that was going after women's rights, and I did. This is not even touching the abortion issue.

 

Incidentally the "six year olds on puberty blockers" is in the same boat. There was one case that got national attention because some parents are complete idiots. No six year old child should take puberty blockers, I agree with you there, but this isn't some widespread thing, that is not at all something that is going on. It's merely another fearmongering campaign by the right to try to go after people different from themselves with the "think of the kids!" angle. They do this all the time, but especially for sexuality- trans people in bathrooms, gay people adopting, etc.

 

It's an appeal to the hardline religious right and its despicable, not to mention incredibly misleading.

 

The issue is that under those protections the male students weren't even allowed due process in some cases. Colleges can't be dismissing students and affecting their futures without any real evidence. And while heinous crimes like rape sort of top the "worst of the worst" category, having your life altered over a false accusation isn't warranted or justified. It's easy to say "but it's rare" but what happens when it happens to you or someone you know?

 

There needs to be real evidence. That should be the case. With the protections that were in place, individuals overseeing the cases were acting with bias and not doing sufficient investigating.

 

And I repeat that there's nothing morally wrong or oppressive about opposing the practice of abortion. The right to snuff out a developing life is not some sort of inalienable human right.

 

As for puberty blockers, in my opinion it's too dangerous for developing minds, especially when most youth trans cases turn out to be nothing more than a phase. It's sort of the other side of the false accusation likelihood...if the potential risk is much greater than the potential benefit, why would a sane person allow their child to go through it?

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/08/23/it-turns-out-russia-isnt-the-only-country-turning-facebook-and-twitter-against-us/

 

We cannot allow a private company to control the flow of information. There's a reason you can go to a state funded please blic library and check out Mean Kampf or The Communist Manifesto. This is dangerous.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/08/23/it-turns-out-russia-isnt-the-only-country-turning-facebook-and-twitter-against-us/

 

We cannot allow a private company to control the flow of information. There's a reason you can go to a state funded please blic library and check out Mean Kampf or The Communist Manifesto. This is dangerous.

> Claims to be leftist

> Cited the communist manifesto as a bad thing

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Lol I can see how you would think I was saying that because I didn't word it well but what I was trying to do was give examples of controversial books and ideas but we don't ban them. You shouldn't be afraid of ideas or different points of view. People have the ability and the constitutional right to decide for themselves what to believe. The best way to fight a Nazi or Alex Jones is just to tell the truth. To hold your shape. If you ban Mein Kampf then maybe The Manifesto is next. Feel me?

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No you said it right. Communism is bad. It has never worked, nor will it lol. You can't ban books, that is what ACTUAL fascists do. Not the fascist (lol) white every man.

 

And did we literally just make being communist a leftist requirement? No wonder they lose.

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Communism is a theory. It's never existed...at least not Marxism. It's a different perspective and Marx makes valid points. I think in essence being a liberal is kind of built around the thought that the government has a responsibility to the "general welfare" of the country. That means stuff like health care should be a right. Education and training should be a right. That means we shouldn't allow plutocrats to extract wealth from the people. I think you can do that stuff and still be capitalist. Marxism is the awakening of the laborer. Is it 100% right? I'm honestly not smart enough to say but I think it has validity and relavence.

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