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#1 BwareDWare94

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:22 AM

There is no greater threat to the everyday rights of American citizens right now than the convoluted ideology of Leftism, and perhaps the most unfortunate part of this whole debacle is that many conservatives are conflating Democrats with Leftists. They are not the same thing. Democrats generally believe in expanded government and regulatory practices, along with installing taxpayer-funded programs to help the less fortunate. Leftists believe the government can compel its citizens to adhere to a preferred ideology, and that Capitalism is some sort of evil system because the majority of successful people in a capitalist economic system either worked harder–or were generally more intelligent–than their peers.

 

Democrats still believe in the idea that hard work and smart decision-making can lead to individual or collective success. Leftists believe every single successful person or group must have wronged 100 people for every single step of the way. And that those successful people should open their pockets to everybody.

 

Democrats believe that nobody should have their rights infringed upon due to uncontrollable circumstances such as race, sexual orientation, gender, etc. Leftists believe that everyone must get in line with the nonsensical extensions of this rights movement such as made up pronouns, ignoring biological traits and innate tendencies while raising children and pushing said kids to “choose” a gender before they’re old enough to understand what the fuck biological sex is, and even that heterosexuals who wouldn’t date trans people (i.e. biological males who believe they are women, and biological females who believe that they are men) are trans-phobic.

 

Essentially, the dichotomy between leftism and other forms of political ideologies resides in general human reason. Leftists are slanderers and fascists. Leftists are actively pursuing an end to American Free Speech, and most certainly would prefer a socialist economic system as opposed to capitalism, which provides the opportunity of greatness for those who can achieve it. Leftists want a dystopian America where we are forced to think and believe the same things.

 

So how do we address this issue?


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:37 AM

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I view those people on the left much the same as I view the religious fundamentalist conservatives. Just an extremely vocal minority of people that has been given a big platform by the design of our corporate media to try and divide people. I'm not sure about the jargon or lingo or label to put on it but that's what it is. The fact is that most people agree that they don't want war. Most people agree that people should be able to go to the doctor. Most people agree on a lot of major issues so there is a concerted effort to divide people.

 

The government should try and set the rules to the game to force people or groups of people to act ethically but once you start trying to force your own brand of morality on people I think it crosses into the realm of authoritarianism which is obviously a bad thing. 


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:37 PM

I view those people on the left much the same as I view the religious fundamentalist conservatives. Just an extremely vocal minority of people that has been given a big platform by the design of our corporate media to try and divide people. I'm not sure about the jargon or lingo or label to put on it but that's what it is. The fact is that most people agree that they don't want war. Most people agree that people should be able to go to the doctor. Most people agree on a lot of major issues so there is a concerted effort to divide people.

 

The government should try and set the rules to the game to force people or groups of people to act ethically but once you start trying to force your own brand of morality on people I think it crosses into the realm of authoritarianism which is obviously a bad thing. 

 

The division is the same as it always will be in these instances. How much socialism is a good thing, and how much is too much? We dont want governments to be able to go to war without consent of the people, but we want the government to be the sole medical provider and the one who sets the market, in which case they can do things without the consent of the people.

 

You nailed it with the regulation/deregulation. If you try to force morality you become authoritarian, like actual nazis. Not the kind leftists call people when they are disagreed with. So what do you do.

 

I don't think it is any secret on these boards that I loathe the far left, and even most of the moderate left lol. To be fair I hate the far right as well, but I find their middle of the road people more tolerable by a small margin. I find the people in the center to usually be the more intelligent people. I was talking to my uber left brother the other day about transgender "controversies" ad it got onto biological sex/gender not being a thing. Which is utterly stupid mo, but we started talking about Fallon Fox, who is a dude who is beating the shit out of women in MMA, and is a "hero". I do not understand why we let this thing happen, but he swears it is awesome, and that because I have money I am an evil prick lol. Spoiled bitch.

 

I also believe there is a concerted effort to divide us, but I don't think it is to the extent people talk about anyway. I think there are certainly agendas and I think they try to draw our eye line to make the policy they want, just like when the Dems split their own fucking party and cost themselves the election lol. That said I don't need the government to hate people, I don't need the government to think that uber lefty are stupid, I don't need the government to think there are too many young people who just want free shit instead of having to put in the sweat equity to get it. I don't need the government to tell me the student loan system is a joke, or that forcing people to abide by moral derivatives of religious text is a bad thing. I think these are all pretty self evident to me. Truthfully the best argument against a democracy is talking to an average voter.  The only two type's that are worse are socialism and communism (same thing really).

 

If there were more Democrats like Kennedy that I would be a democrat, If there were more Republicans like Ike or Ford I would be a Republican. the fact is the whole thing is broken and it is because the American people are. The government is just another scapegoat for the average American's problems. If there life is not going right it is definitely the government lol. That is the real division.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:30 PM

I hear you man and I think you are right, there are some people who blame the government for their problems but we agree that the government is supposed to set the rules for the game. There has been a period of several decades in which through lobbying and legislation, the rules that were in place to even the playing field economically have been eroded (no such thing as a free market folks. Somebody is setting the rules. Personally I would rather it be people that are elected). The separation of power and checks and balances that preserve a certain level of democracy have been eroded. That's real and that's a problem and people that point that out aren't all lazy mooches just looking to blame the government.

 

Also, the dogmatic tribalism two party system creates which frames perspective far too much, the drawing of districts, the manipulation of elections. The legalized bribery that occurs. There are a lot of forces out there to make our government as undemocratic as possible. Why do you think congressional and presidential approval ratings are always so low? Why do you think election turn out is so low? These things are connected and they're a big reason why we've found ourselves in this position. 


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:51 PM

Yes but there are lazy mooches, and I would not say that they're few and far between.

We all know somebody or 10 somebodies who play the unemployment system. We all know 10 somebodies who call in sick regularly when they're hungover. The epidemic is not necessarily unfairness. Lack of accountability and work ethic is just as widespread.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:53 PM

Yes but there are lazy mooches, and I would not say that they're few and far between.

We all know somebody or 10 somebodies who play the unemployment system. We all know 10 somebodies who call in sick regularly when they're hungover. The epidemic is not necessarily unfairness. Lack of accountability and work ethic is just as widespread.

 

I don't know anyone like this. Nobody can afford to call off with a hangover. I think most people actually do want to work... but wages are shit. Nothing motivates more than money. I don't blame people for not wanting to bust their asses for 7.15 an hour. That is a slave wage with modern cost of living, I don't care what anyone says. You can't make the argument that raising minimum wage would cause inflation to get out of control either. Inflation goes up whether the wages do or not. People are drowning and they don't see a way out. 


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:07 PM

I don't believe you as far not knowing anyone who calls in sick to work regularly is concerned.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:10 PM

Believe what you want. I have no reason to lie when I say the vast majority of people work hard but are only barely getting by.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:24 PM

I've been living in the Pacific Northwest for the last three years, which is so liberal, the southern part of Oregon doesn't even consider itself to be the same state ("State of Jefferson") as northern Oregon.  And I 100% agree with sb.  

 

There are so much more moderate people then a "far right" and a "far left".   Sensible people who won't burn you for not trying to call everyone by their "proper pronoun" or not being "politically correct".  It's just the people on the far ends have the loudest voices and make for the best media, which creates red herrings.

 

Now as a college student I do know a fair amount of "lazy" people who have been born with a silver spoon and are just in school because, whatever, but I also know a ton of people who have had to overcome everything to get to where they are and need help.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:25 PM

In my experience a working group has 2-3 exceptional people and 8-10 just showing up for a paycheck. Simply showing up to work doesn't qualify as working hard.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:58 PM

My experience has been the exact opposite.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:05 PM

I hear you man and I think you are right, there are some people who blame the government for their problems but we agree that the government is supposed to set the rules for the game. There has been a period of several decades in which through lobbying and legislation, the rules that were in place to even the playing field economically have been eroded (no such thing as a free market folks. Somebody is setting the rules. Personally I would rather it be people that are elected). The separation of power and checks and balances that preserve a certain level of democracy have been eroded. That's real and that's a problem and people that point that out aren't all lazy mooches just looking to blame the government.

 

Also, the dogmatic tribalism two party system creates which frames perspective far too much, the drawing of districts, the manipulation of elections. The legalized bribery that occurs. There are a lot of forces out there to make our government as undemocratic as possible. Why do you think congressional and presidential approval ratings are always so low? Why do you think election turn out is so low? These things are connected and they're a big reason why we've found ourselves in this position. 

 

I am not sure how we should set "the rules of the game." I dont ascribe to this idea of taxing the fucking dog shit out of the rich because they make more money and other people deserve it. Now obviously there are cases of excess that need to be dealt with, but on average taxing the shit out of business owners is exactly why they leave in droves or set up their LLC in Nevada because of the low corporate tax rates.

 

I know as a small business owner myself we had a gross income of several million dollars, and the government wants to tax the shit out of me and so does Washington. So what do I do? I do what every other corporate slimeball does and I spend a small fortune on an accountant and CPA to find ways to LEGALLY hide money, and write off business expenses. And you know what? It works. If the governemtn were not trying to pay for everyone out of my wages maybe that would not be a necessary part of the game. I dont see why the owner of the company should not make a substantial bit more than those he employs. There are some electrical contractors who make less than their GF's.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:36 PM

Depends on who you work with, what the bosses are like, etc. I've had some jobs where literally just showing up was worth exactly the same as busting your ass, so it was stupid to ever give more than a minimum effort. And of course I've had jobs where busting your ass was worth literally nothing because you aren't busting enough ass.


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