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[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

That was the most amazing cinematic experience of my lifetime.

[blotsfan 2,112]

I'm 100% going to see this again, to think about it more. But in general I loved it. Better than TFA and WAY better than Rogue One.

 

 

To get my issues out of the way (mostly nerd nitpicks):
It felt like they kinda forgot about Finn. I didn't have a huge problem with Rose, but their subplot really felt like they just needed to give them something to do. The heavy-handedness about how terrible the rich people are was pretty lame.

I feel like Hux needs to be more intimidating. They've been setting up this power struggle between Kylo and Hux and it worked when Snoke was alive, but in order for that to be effective, we need to show what strengths Hux has over Kylo. I figure there will be some kind of Hux-lead coup against Kylo in IX, but I would've done more to set up his strengths here. Maybe just showing general anger by the troops in the first order over letting the resistance get away so Kylo Ren can settle a personal grudge.

I wish C3PO was in this one. That new protocol droid filled a bit of the void, but without the red arm, it was just too different. (though seriously, what happened to his red arm?)

There were so many great chances for Leia to die, and she lived through the entire movie. Obviously they couldn't predict that they'd need to write her out, but that was unfortunate for them, and I suspect will weaken IX a bit.

This Rose bitch better back off of Finn. He belongs with Poe and I will hear nothing to the contrary.

Also, it felt like they were trying to set up Rey being romantically interested in Finn? I like both characters, but there has been nothing that has shown them to be anything more than friends.

So Phasma's armor can stop simple blasters? Why don't all stormtroopers have that armor?

Admiral Akbar deserved better.



Now the good:
Rey and Ren were great. Every scene they were in together was compelling and interesting. They have great chemistry.

I loved how they handled Snoke. We don't need a rehash of the emperor. Its not Snoke's story. Having Kylo try (and probably fail) to wield the same authority is way more interesting than another Palpatine.

I love Poe and his entire subplot felt like a better take on "more realistic military in Star wars" than rogue one. I love that it probably could've all been avoided if Hodo just told Poe her plan, but she just didn't feel like she had to justify herself.

That scene when she does hyperspace into the Star Destroyer and it just goes silent...amazing. I was floored.

Yoda felt much more like OT Yoda. When he first came back I groaned a bit, but they used him well and I liked to see him.

Mark Hamill did a great job. Him trying to kill Ben was a real moment that I would never have thought they'd do anything like.

I was dreading the porgs, but they weren't overused to the point of being annoying, like I feared.

There were a few moments the quippyness was a bit much but in general I thought it was fine and added some nice humor.

After two years of saying that its better if Rey isn't related to anyone important, that scene where Kylo tells her that was cathartic.

I fanboy-squealed with the two suns when luke died. I suspect he'll be a ghost in IX though. Maybe to both Kylo and Rey at the same time.

 

Edited December 15, 2017 by blotsfan

[Sparty 110]

About to watch it now. ???

[Thanatos 2,847]

That was the most amazing cinematic experience of my lifetime.

 

Good to hear, been hearing some bad reviews of it.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

It wasn't perfect by any means. Some of the things Blots mentioned also were a problem with me, but again like Blots, they were minor in the grand scheme of things.

The character payoffs between the "old crew" and the new guns, the story developments and payoffs, just the entire thing was exactly that, an experience.

I got literal chills / goosebumps multiple times. Last time that even happened once in a theater was seeing Avatar (for me.. Obviously other people feel and react differently in the moment, so take that for what its worth).

I will get more in depth once more people see it. But I am also definitely going again. I don't know when, but I feel I have to. I am not sure Star Wars has ever been in better hands than in those of Rian Johnson.

[OSUViking 505]

LOVED Kylo's arc.

 

 

Maybe it's just me, I didn't feel any tension with Rey. I strongly suspected that she'd end up good, and in fact think it'd have been forced as hell if she ended up with Kylo. I did not feel like there was any doubt with her, whereas there was a lot of conflict with Kylo for me. If her parents really were nobody, then I actually like that more than her parents being significant characters.

 

I want to know more about Like and Ben's relationship prior to that incident.

 

EDIT: I've thought back on it and I can appreciate the struggle Rey went through.

Her struggle and then rejection of Kylo sent him into a blind rage, because I realized they both connected. For some reason, I thought Kylo had manipulated her and then snapped when Snoke taunted him. Makes more sense this way. 100% will be one I see several times, though getting through the first part of the Luke arc and the casino bit might be difficult. Excited to learn more about the kid at the end. Hindsight and realizing I misinterpreted Kylo/Rey's interactions bumps this up to a solid 9/10 for me.

 

 

There were some slow and some dumb parts. Kylo's development was enough for me to give this somewhere between an 8.5-9/10.

Edited December 16, 2017 by OSUViking

[OSUViking 505]

I want to see it too but I saw the last one and the new villain is hilariously not threatening. Just your whiney Jewish neighbor down the street.

Must not enjoy emotional complexity and moral ambiguity in your characters. Have never heard a convincing argument for why Kylo isn't a very well executed character.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

I firmly believe Kylo Ren s one of the best charracters in all of Star Wars and in the current era of all film.

 

Im a little biased because I love Jacen Solo from a few of the novels and there are some easy parallels to make.

 

Such a powerful and compelling story / character though. The sheer amount of interns conflict he struggles with is just so fascinating. And makes for a great movie

Edited December 16, 2017 by Olenna4Ever

[OSUViking 505]

I firmly believe Kylo Ren s one of the best charracters in all of Star Wars and in the current era of all film.

 

Im a little biased because I love Jacen Solo from a few of the novels and there are some easy parallels to make.

 

Such a powerful and compelling story / character though. The sheer amount of interns conflict he struggles with is just so fascinating. And makes for a great movie

I was discussing with a friend who agrees with us on this. They argued Kylo's story has already surpassed the complexity of Anakin's in two movies, and I agree.

[SteVo+ 3,702]

Phew, that was an overwhelming cinematic experience. There was so much to take in. Like the rest of you, I will definitely be seeing it a second and possibly third time before it leaves theaters. However, those of you who loved this movie, beware, I had some serious problems with it...

 

 

 

Overall, I did NOT like the style of humor. It felt more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars movie. And it started in the first scene, with Poe: "Still holding for General Hux."

 

Holding? Does the Star Wars universe have phones? Do people get put on hold? That joke took me completely out of the movie. And while that was just a dumb joke, there were worse offenders.

 

1) R2D2 playing Leia's "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi" message for Luke was awesome...and then Luke says, "Cheap move."

2) Luke sees Leia for the first time, brother and sister reunited...and Leia makes a joke about her hair.

 

Those were two immensely emotional moments robbed by unnecessary, low-class humor. I realize that comic relief is a part of Star Wars, but I thought The Force Awakens struck the perfect note with humor (with the exception of Poe's "You talk first? I talk first?") and The Last Jedi did not.

 

 

As others have pointed out, I wasn't a fan of Finn and Rose's trip to the gambling planet. It reminded me of the overlong trip to Tattooine in The Phantom Menace and prolonged the middle of the movie (more on that shortly). I think the movie would have been better served with Finn and Rose sneaking onto the star destroyer immediately, with a long covert operation similar to A New Hope. And I agree with blots that the rich-people-are-bad sentiment was heavy-handed.

 

 

Another problem with the middle of the movie for me: the star destroyer slowly chasing the resistance ship while it runs out of fuel. How can the star destroyer not catch up?

 

 

I'm sorry, but Leia's Force-float through space was terrible.

 

Speaking of Leia, I know many will criticize this film for not killing her off appropriately, but I think Carrie Fisher's death put the filmmakers in an impossible position, and I can't blame them for doing (or not doing) what they did.

 

 

I was unimpressed with the Rey/Luke scenes in the first act. Maybe this was because it ended up different from what I expected. Mainly I expected Luke to be training Rey for longer than 2 minutes and a longer explanation of why Luke went into exile and why the Jedi needed to end.

 

 

General Phasma = huge disappointment. By the time we see her for the first time, Snoke is already dead, so I was thinking, "Ooh, maybe Phasma emerges as the key villain in Episode IX." Nope, she goes out after a 3-second fight sequence. Boo.

 

 

I know Rian Johnson wanted to be bold and take Star Wars in new directions, but some of his choices didn't feel right to me. The flashbacks to Luke and Ben felt out of place. The scene with the infinite Rey's felt like Inception. The scenes with Rey and Kylo communicating through the Force reminded me of Harry/Voldemort.

 

 

And I know you can be nitpicky about almost any movie, but I didn't feel the need to do this with The Force Awakens. Everything felt natural. About the first half of The Last Jedi, I had this creeping sense that something was wrong...similar to watching The Phantom Menace.

 

 

 

I should suffix all of this by saying I liked the movie overall. I thought the final hour or so was fantastic. I appreciate that it was not safe and took risks and was extremely surprising. I will not be shocked if my opinion of it skyrockets on repeat viewings.

 

And there were many little moments I really enjoyed, especially Luke's line to Kylo ending with, "...the war is just beginning, and I will not be the last Jedi," cut to Rey lifting rocks. AWESOME! One of my favorite movies of all eight Star Wars films.

 

Some other miscellaneous, positive thoughts:

 

Kylo Ren is now easily the strength of this new trilogy, and quite possibly my favorite Star Wars character of all-time.

 

Yoda's cameo was completely unexpected and completely awesome. "Failure is the greatest teacher."

 

I like that Rey's parents ended up being nobody.

 

The final action sequence, trying to blow up the big cannon, was a great callback to the trench run from A New Hope.

 

I think Snoke dying so early was a well executed surprise.

 

 

[OSUViking 505]

Lol he's a skinny whiney little pussy.not the right actor for a heavy/antogonist.

There's nothing evil or threatening about him. Just a spoiled,selfish little boy who cries when he doesn't get his way. He isnt menacing,scary or what ever you want to call it.

He just reminds me of the character he played as a brother in that movie where everyone went to their dad's funeral and mom became a lesbian.

Antagonists don't have to fit this cookie cutter evil or intimidating concept. That's both unrealistic, unrelatable, and at this point way overdone.

 

Take a step back and realize Kylo is HUMAN. Like ignore all the aliens here and he's just what you said - a kid. So think about what's gone on in that guy's life that he's torn between not just "good" and "evil", but by the extremes of both of them. If you just can't empathize with the character, or you really do not at all care about the psychological context for that "crybaby edgelord" mentality as some would call it, fine, not your taste. But to outright call him a pussy or bad character is ridiculous.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Phew, that was an overwhelming cinematic experience. There was so much to take in. Like the rest of you, I will definitely be seeing it a second and possibly third time before it leaves theaters. However, those of you who loved this movie, beware, I had some serious problems with it...

 

 

 

Overall, I did NOT like the style of humor. It felt more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars movie. And it started in the first scene, with Poe: "Still holding for General Hux."

 

Holding? Does the Star Wars universe have phones? Do people get put on hold? That joke took me completely out of the movie. And while that was just a dumb joke, there were worse offenders.

 

1) R2D2 playing Leia's "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi" message for Luke was awesome...and then Luke says, "Cheap move."

2) Luke sees Leia for the first time, brother and sister reunited...and Leia makes a joke about her hair.

 

Those were two immensely emotional moments robbed by unnecessary, low-class humor. I realize that comic relief is a part of Star Wars, but I thought The Force Awakens struck the perfect note with humor (with the exception of Poe's "You talk first? I talk first?") and The Last Jedi did not.

 

 

As others have pointed out, I wasn't a fan of Finn and Rose's trip to the gambling planet. It reminded me of the overlong trip to Tattooine in The Phantom Menace and prolonged the middle of the movie (more on that shortly). I think the movie would have been better served with Finn and Rose sneaking onto the star destroyer immediately, with a long covert operation similar to A New Hope. And I agree with blots that the rich-people-are-bad sentiment was heavy-handed.

 

 

Another problem with the middle of the movie for me: the star destroyer slowly chasing the resistance ship while it runs out of fuel. How can the star destroyer not catch up?

 

 

I'm sorry, but Leia's Force-float through space was terrible.

 

Speaking of Leia, I know many will criticize this film for not killing her off appropriately, but I think Carrie Fisher's death put the filmmakers in an impossible position, and I can't blame them for doing (or not doing) what they did.

 

 

I was unimpressed with the Rey/Luke scenes in the first act. Maybe this was because it ended up different from what I expected. Mainly I expected Luke to be training Rey for longer than 2 minutes and a longer explanation of why Luke went into exile and why the Jedi needed to end.

 

 

General Phasma = huge disappointment. By the time we see her for the first time, Snoke is already dead, so I was thinking, "Ooh, maybe Phasma emerges as the key villain in Episode IX." Nope, she goes out after a 3-second fight sequence. Boo.

 

 

I know Rian Johnson wanted to be bold and take Star Wars in new directions, but some of his choices didn't feel right to me. The flashbacks to Luke and Ben felt out of place. The scene with the infinite Rey's felt like Inception. The scenes with Rey and Kylo communicating through the Force reminded me of Harry/Voldemort.

 

 

And I know you can be nitpicky about almost any movie, but I didn't feel the need to do this with The Force Awakens. Everything felt natural. About the first half of The Last Jedi, I had this creeping sense that something was wrong...similar to watching The Phantom Menace.

 

 

 

I should suffix all of this by saying I liked the movie overall. I thought the final hour or so was fantastic. I appreciate that it was not safe and took risks and was extremely surprising. I will not be shocked if my opinion of it skyrockets on repeat viewings.

 

And there were many little moments I really enjoyed, especially Luke's line to Kylo ending with, "...the war is just beginning, and I will not be the last Jedi," cut to Rey lifting rocks. AWESOME! One of my favorite movies of all eight Star Wars films.

 

Some other miscellaneous, positive thoughts:

 

Kylo Ren is now easily the strength of this new trilogy, and quite possibly my favorite Star Wars character of all-time.

 

Yoda's cameo was completely unexpected and completely awesome. "Failure is the greatest teacher."

 

I like that Rey's parents ended up being nobody.

 

The final action sequence, trying to blow up the big cannon, was a great callback to the trench run from A New Hope.

 

I think Snoke dying so early was a well executed surprise.

 

 

 

 

I mostly disagree with everything you said. There are some general comments mixed in, sorry if it's confusing.

 

 

 

I thought the humor was great. I DO AGREE that the first bit with Poe and Hux was kind of lame, but I wasn't thinking nearly as "practically" about it as you are. We are talking about a film revolving around intergalactic travel, dozens of species that don't actually exist, a magical "force" that let's people move rocks... But during the movie you seriously got caught up when Poe said to "hold" ? Really? lol.

 

I mean, everyone reacts differently and I agree... that would suck if my brain went directly to that during the movie...

 

R2D2 has played some comic-relief roles throughout his "lifetime" and in pretty much every Star Wars movie to date with both Anakin and Luke. In fact, I think R2's response of showing that old hologram was a bit of a "joke" in the sense that Luke said there was nothing that could get him to come back. So R2 kind of sarcastically throws that out there knowing Luke will have a reaction. Luke responds like... Luke would. This isn't supposed to be a super high energy emotional moment, IMO.

 

Same thing with the Leia "reunion". The reunion, IMO, isn't what is being focused on between these characters. The focus isn't on them coming back together because Luke (and I think Leia before he explains) knows that it is going to be short-lived.

 

This isn't a reunion -- it's a farewell. So to start with the joke, before getting emotional and telling her the plan and handing her the dice that Han won the Falcon with... Was perfectly perfect, IMO.

 

Fun Fact: that line about changing her hair was written by Carrie Fisher herself. Rian Johnson would have sessions with Carrie where they went over scripts and she wrote multiple things for Leia that made the movie

 

The First Order caught up to the rebels multiple times as they were tracking them through light speed, so I don't really know what you're getting at...

 

Leia's force float thing was indeed weird so.. Uh. Right. lol.

 

Also, there is no reason to argue about Leia's usage in this movie. The people running the show, after Carrie's death explained that this movie wasn't meant to be her moment. VII was about Han Solo, this movie was a tip to Luke, and Episode IX was supposed to be a HUGE moment for Leia. What were they supposed to do? I like that (I think) they didn't do anything.

 

I also hope they get the permission of the family to do something to have Leia in IX. Whether it's hologram stuff the best CGI money can by, or hire Billie Lourd and age progress her (kinda like the reverse they did with Tron and Jeff Bridges)... I know, a lot of Star Wars loyalists would probably despise that, it wouldn't be exactly the same -- but I think it would be cool and emotional at the end.

 

EDIT: After doing research it looks like Kathleen Kennedy says she won't be in the movie at all. They ruled out digital recreation and her family did allow for use of her image, however... Uh, that will be interesting to see in IX. How the fuck are they gonna explain that? Probably terribly.

 

If you were expecting Phasma to play some giant role, I think that is on you -- not the movie. They did make it seem like she would play a bigger role before the Force Awakens... But AFTER you saw The Force Awakens, you knew she didn't have that kind of role or staying power. She was a tool... a story lynch pin for Finn -- nothing more or less. She was used the same exact way in this film and expecting more was silly, from my perspective.

 

And while I am at it, this goes along with Blots who wants more from Hux. I don't think his character is actually supposed to ever be a real threat to Kylo Ren -- I mean he can't really. Snoke says it himself, Hux is a sharp tool to be used. I wouldn't be shocked if maybe Hux tries something in IX, but for Kylo to swiftly take him down a few pegs. His role just doesn't dictate him to be very threatening.. Again, from my perspective.

 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by Olenna4Ever

[OSUViking 505]

Phew, that was an overwhelming cinematic experience. There was so much to take in. Like the rest of you, I will definitely be seeing it a second and possibly third time before it leaves theaters. However, those of you who loved this movie, beware, I had some serious problems with it...

 

 

 

Overall, I did NOT like the style of humor. It felt more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars movie. And it started in the first scene, with Poe: "Still holding for General Hux."

 

Holding? Does the Star Wars universe have phones? Do people get put on hold? That joke took me completely out of the movie. And while that was just a dumb joke, there were worse offenders.

 

1) R2D2 playing Leia's "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi" message for Luke was awesome...and then Luke says, "Cheap move."

2) Luke sees Leia for the first time, brother and sister reunited...and Leia makes a joke about her hair.

 

Those were two immensely emotional moments robbed by unnecessary, low-class humor. I realize that comic relief is a part of Star Wars, but I thought The Force Awakens struck the perfect note with humor (with the exception of Poe's "You talk first? I talk first?") and The Last Jedi did not.

 

 

As others have pointed out, I wasn't a fan of Finn and Rose's trip to the gambling planet. It reminded me of the overlong trip to Tattooine in The Phantom Menace and prolonged the middle of the movie (more on that shortly). I think the movie would have been better served with Finn and Rose sneaking onto the star destroyer immediately, with a long covert operation similar to A New Hope. And I agree with blots that the rich-people-are-bad sentiment was heavy-handed.

 

 

Another problem with the middle of the movie for me: the star destroyer slowly chasing the resistance ship while it runs out of fuel. How can the star destroyer not catch up?

 

 

I'm sorry, but Leia's Force-float through space was terrible.

 

Speaking of Leia, I know many will criticize this film for not killing her off appropriately, but I think Carrie Fisher's death put the filmmakers in an impossible position, and I can't blame them for doing (or not doing) what they did.

 

 

I was unimpressed with the Rey/Luke scenes in the first act. Maybe this was because it ended up different from what I expected. Mainly I expected Luke to be training Rey for longer than 2 minutes and a longer explanation of why Luke went into exile and why the Jedi needed to end.

 

 

General Phasma = huge disappointment. By the time we see her for the first time, Snoke is already dead, so I was thinking, "Ooh, maybe Phasma emerges as the key villain in Episode IX." Nope, she goes out after a 3-second fight sequence. Boo.

 

 

I know Rian Johnson wanted to be bold and take Star Wars in new directions, but some of his choices didn't feel right to me. The flashbacks to Luke and Ben felt out of place. The scene with the infinite Rey's felt like Inception. The scenes with Rey and Kylo communicating through the Force reminded me of Harry/Voldemort.

 

 

And I know you can be nitpicky about almost any movie, but I didn't feel the need to do this with The Force Awakens. Everything felt natural. About the first half of The Last Jedi, I had this creeping sense that something was wrong...similar to watching The Phantom Menace.

 

 

 

I should suffix all of this by saying I liked the movie overall. I thought the final hour or so was fantastic. I appreciate that it was not safe and took risks and was extremely surprising. I will not be shocked if my opinion of it skyrockets on repeat viewings.

 

And there were many little moments I really enjoyed, especially Luke's line to Kylo ending with, "...the war is just beginning, and I will not be the last Jedi," cut to Rey lifting rocks. AWESOME! One of my favorite movies of all eight Star Wars films.

 

Some other miscellaneous, positive thoughts:

 

Kylo Ren is now easily the strength of this new trilogy, and quite possibly my favorite Star Wars character of all-time.

 

Yoda's cameo was completely unexpected and completely awesome. "Failure is the greatest teacher."

 

I like that Rey's parents ended up being nobody.

 

The final action sequence, trying to blow up the big cannon, was a great callback to the trench run from A New Hope.

 

I think Snoke dying so early was a well executed surprise.

 

 

I thought a lot of the same things but my opinions tamed as I was able to reflect on the movie. You do bring up good points, and when all is said and done my enthusiasm will tame as well. I really did enjoy this movie, and completely agree that Kylo Ren is awesome.

 

Edit:

Also, I just remembered that Kylo Ren tried to use that mind control shit on Rey when they first realized they could sense each other, and immediately gave up cause he realized it wasn't gonna work. Lmao.

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by OSUViking

[blotsfan 2,112]

My gut is that episode IX will take place a few years later and leia will simply die in the timespan. Not great, but there is no great way to handle it.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Probably a solid bet... Imagine how emotional it would be to have a Leia funeral though. Wow, that would be rough -- maybe even to start the movie or something.

[Vin+ 3,121]

Just got back. 9/10. Better than Force Awakens. I now need to read the reviews and whatnot to see what exactly the problem was that people had with it.

 

General thoughts for now, may post more when/if I'm bored at work tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

"Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be."

 

General Hux may be the worst character in all of Star Wars. Just terrible.

 

Why didn't those Star Destroyers just open fire on the rebels after they torched the dreadnought instead of just letting them escape. I know they could track them, but the end result was the same.

 

Leia turning into space jesus out of absolutely nowhere is the 2nd worst thing in the movie, especially considering it happens early in the movie and literally no one cares or thinks it's strange.

 

Snoke pointing out Kylo getting pwnt in Force Awakens by a nobody, and also calling out his helmet, was a really nice touch.

Island Luke is awesome. The first scene with him throwing the lightsaber, and his subsequent attitude, is great. Yay subversion.

 

Snoke's not dead, right? He's totally gotta be alive. Someone of his power shouldn't have punked like that. I don't necessarily need him to be the main villain, but I would like a how/why he is who he is, and not just a "it doesn't matter now".

 

Phasma is the worst thing about this. Prior to seeing Force Awakens I had her pegged as the imperial who turns good, or at the very least sides with the rebels. Instead, she's literally thrown away. For this, I had similar hopes. Instead, she's not literally thrown away, but essentially the same thing happens. She's got some non-movie content out there that's supposed to be really good, but on-screen she's wasted. Lame.

 

Thought Rey was gonna join Kylo in return for him not blowing up the rebels. Nope.

 

How you gonna be a force ghost and still have a walking stick that has mass that you can hit people with?

 

Poe is kinda lame.

 

Finn is also lame, but then he's just a space janitor so maybe that's the point? I dunno.

 

Luke/Kylo was great. Thought maybe Luke achieved the same god-mode that Leia did earlier, but nope. Yay subversion again. And it answered how he deus ex Luke'd himself into the cave with only one entrance.

 

I'm not really happy that he's gone, but I thought they handled it really well. I firmly expected him to Kenobi himself against Kylo, instead, he went out on his own terms. Though technically Kenobi'ing himself would've also been on his terms, but you know what I mean. I don't think I expected going in to Force Awakens that any of the big three were gonna survive the trilogy. Here's hoping at least Chewie lives.

 

Didn't think the gambling planet was bad. I think Del Toro's reveal in the ship when they escape shows that things are more complicated than they are simply black/white, good/evil.

 

That kid at the end totally grabbed his broom without touching it.

 

I'm not really sure I need to see Episode IX. This felt more like the ending of a trilogy than a middle part. I'm not sure Kylo/Rey is all that compelling. Leia is gonna die. What are the stakes? What's the story? Please don't tell me that Hux is going to play a key role in it.

 

 

[Milla4Prez63 678]

I went into this tonight excited to enjoy this after two weeks on the road working, but I hated almost everything about this. This might be one of my least favorite movies ever(not necessarily worst, but least favorite when factoring in everything). Even when it did something I liked, it was followed up by an unnecessary twist that I hated. Not going to get into spoilers now, but maybe later I'll rant on about it.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Vin switched bodies with Milla

[SteVo+ 3,702]

Yeah I just need to see this again. I think the movie simply warped my expectations so much I wasn't prepared to react properly. Repeat viewings will fix that.

 

Just a few other random thoughts while I'm at it:

 

 

I seem to be agreeing with blots a lot. I too think Episode IX will have more of a time jump than the gap between Awakens and Jedi. And I too think Leia will die during that gap. Maybe it will be mentioned during the opening crawl.

 

One of my first thoughts when Phasma was killed off: "Aw man, Vin is gonna be pissed."

 

I did really love how that kid used the Force to grab that broom. Little Jedi! I also loved how "the legend of Luke Skywalker" becomes something positive for the Resistance, and Luke had mentioned earlier how he hated being a legend.

 

Luke is totally gonna be a Force ghost in Episode IX.

 

 

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

 

Death by falling is a super cool thing to do in Star Wars tho... and Phasma got fire included in her death fall, so they obviously respected the character a lot.

 

And force ghost Luke is almost a given Id think especially considering his Obi Wan esquee quote

 

[Thanatos 2,847]

Hoo boy.

 

I have mixed feelings.

 

I'd put this behind the originals, TFA, and I think Rogue One as well. Better than 1-3, by a long shot, but not nearly as good as I was expecting.

 

But I have serious issues with the overall movie.

 

 

 

Let's start with the good. Luke/Kylo fight was amazing, an awesome twist, and shows how strong Luke is. Even after cutting himself off from the force he's still able to force project an illusion of enough strength that it can fool Kylo at close range. I was somewhat annoyed initially, I thought at first they had just killed him like that, then I was like, oh come on, no one can survive that. But a great twist. Also fits in with Snoke manipulating Rey through the Force as well, Luke's illusion is kinda a parallel to that.

 

I think what happened to Luke was something that happened twice in the books, once with Jacen Solo and once with Reygar? I think his name was. They tapped into the Force so strongly that their cells literally burned from the inside out. Jacen stopped before it killed him, Reygar did not. I don't buy the "exhaustion" just killed him.

 

Hodo jumping to lightspeed directly through the FO's fleet was amazing. The way the scene cut out with no music was fantastic.

 

I'm mixed on Snoke's death. I understand why, I think, Snoke was so damn powerful that I don't see a realistic way of them killing him in IX. So Kylo tricking him as he did was awesome. I just don't see Kylo/Hux as being at all a sustainable leadership, nor do I feel like they have a single ounce of strategic genius between them.

 

Rey being an orphan of no-one in particular was great. It's past time for someone without the last name Skywalker or Solo to be a hero.

 

Very glad Finn didn't die too, thought he was about to suicide run into the cannon.

 

Chewie roasting and trying to eat Porgs while the other living ones were around him looking awfully sad was the funniest part of the whole movie.

 

And the bad:

Poe Dameron's mutiny was idiotic. The whole thing was stupid. Once he pulls a gun on Hodo, she should have immediately told him the plan. What else was he supposed to think? He thought she was literally about to have them commit suicide.

 

Snoke's origins not even being touched on was not great. At all. They seemed to make it like this huge mystery and then it wasn't even touched on.

 

Poe Dameron prank calling Admiral Hux was stupid. It just made Hux seem like a complete sucker.

 

How on earth are bombs falling in zero gravity? That whole scene made no sense, that's not how a B-wing works at all, assuming that's what those were. And the FO were unable to kill a single one when they took out all the rest with ease? And it only took one to bring down the whole Dreadnought? But they sent like 12? Man that scene was bad.

 

Leia flying through space *looked* bad. It made sense to me that she could do it, coming from the books, where multiple Jedi have done the same thing, but the way they did it just looked silly.

 

The whole movie just seemed to go nowhere. It started with the Rebellion just flying through space and it ended with them... flying through space. Just a whole lot less of them, so few they were all able to fit inside the Millennium Falcon. There just seemed to be so much more there with TFA and then TLJ was just like almost a scrawl for Episode IX.

 

What little other scenes there were, seemed very forced. The whole cantina thing, they jumped through hyperspace to another planet and got back in 18 hours? They just happened to be within range of the great codebreaker that Maz recommended? Did they even get that codebreaker and he betrayed them, (thanks Maz) or was it the weird distinguished dude that I would love to know how on earth he and Maz met?

 

No allies came to rescue Princess Leia. Why are they going to come in IX? For that matter, what allies are they talking about?

 

Admiral Ackbar was killed just like that. Really.

 

 

 

Overall, despite all my criticisms, I still think it was a solid movie. Just not a solid Star Wars movie.

 

7/10

Edited December 19, 2017 by Thanatos

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

I think I need to go rewatch Rogue One, because it was such a bore fest for me most of the way through but now that Last Jedi is out, everyone is reminiscing about how awesome it was... lol.

 

EDIT: I just went to Amazon to check on the price of Rogue One, ended up buying all 8 Star Wars movies. Thanks a lot, TGP.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Olenna4Ever

[Thanatos 2,847]

I'd rank them as follows:

 

1. The Empire Strikes Back

2. A New Hope

3. The Force Awakens

4. Return of the Jedi

5. Rogue One

6. The Last Jedi

7. Revenge of the Sith

8. Attack of the Clones

9. The Phantom Menace

Edited December 19, 2017 by Thanatos

[SteVo+ 3,702]

We're doing that already? Fine.

 

1) The Empire Strikes Back

2) A New Hope

3) The Force Awakens

4) Return of the Jedi

5) Rogue One

6) The Phantom Menace

7) Revenge of the Sith

8) Attack of the Clones

 

That's right, not ready to rank The Last Jedi yet. Don't @ me.

Edited December 19, 2017 by SteVo

[Vin+ 3,121]

 

 

I think what happened to Luke was something that happened twice in the books, once with Jacen Solo and once with Reygar? I think his name was. They tapped into the Force so strongly that their cells literally burned from the inside out. Jacen stopped before it killed him, Reygar did not. I don't buy the "exhaustion" just killed him.

What little other scenes there were, seemed very forced. The whole cantina thing, they jumped through hyperspace to another planet and got back in 18 hours? They just happened to be within range of the great codebreaker that Maz recommended? Did they even get that codebreaker and he betrayed them, (thanks Maz) or was it the weird distinguished dude that I would love to know how on earth he and Maz met?

 

No allies came to rescue Princess Leia. Why are they going to come in IX? For that matter, what allies are they talking about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think Luke died of exhaustion, I think he Kenobi'd himself, though I think there may be some shenanigans with it. Did anyone else notice the thing flying towards the sun before he vanished? Might've been a bird or something, but I don't think they would've added it if it wasn't something.

 

I think Benecio Del Toro was the hacker they were supposed to get. I think Maz says that there are very few people who have the required skill to hack what is needed, and I doubt seriously that there are two of those people at the casino.

 

As for the allies, I think some of it may be a proximity issue. It brought Rey and Luke, and I'm sure now that she's escaped they'll actually have time to gather.