BwareDWare94 723 Posted February 13, 2013 You honestly that is the same as voluntarily going into a situation where people are trying to actively kill you? I mean, yeah, if they're doing ti for douchebag reasons they don't deserve respect. All I'm saying is, I give it to them unless they show me they don't deserve it. Maybe its just growing up as a military kid and having to watch two of my friends go through losing a parent. Then we're debating a point we agree on. I'm saying that I don't respect the cats who think they deserve it, because 9 out of 10 times they walk around with an entitlement complex and act like they're the shit. Yes, I do think it's the same. They choose to do it. They aren't forced to, or inclined to--they sign up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted February 13, 2013 Should we have half-masted one day for Chris Kyle? Sure. Yeah, sure, but imagine the precedent set by half-masting for a veteran? Why don't we just fly half mast every day until it isn't special anymore? This pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Enlisted soldiers and veterans alike die every day. We can't keep the flag at half-staff forever. And I don't think having "x" amount of confirmed kills makes you some kind of American hero either. That's great that he was an elite sniper, but prior to this picture that's been going viral on Facebook how many of the people sharing it knew who the fuck Chris Kyle was? Bet you it's about 1% of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted February 13, 2013 To me I respect every veteran for their service. It takes courage to sign up for the military whether you do it for honorable reasons or not and what some have been through we can't even imagine. For that they deserve more respect initially than your average person but that doesn't make everyone in the military a respectable person and just because you were in the military doesn't mean you can treat people however you want to and act like a douche bag. As far as the flag being lowered to half staff at the White House. I don't think it should be lowered for anything less than like a Pearl Harbor or September 11th. I serious tragedy. Lowering it one person like Whitney or Chris Kyle reduces the meaning of putting the flag at half staff to political theater.I agree with what Bucman said too. As good a killer as Kyle is,he is no more important than any other member of the armed forces And to Zack's point,isn't it kind of barbaric to trivialize death and war to celebrate how many kills somebody has. This isn't Call of Duty. Just because the people he killed are Iraqi's doesn't mean their lives are worthless. I'm not saying the guy is a criminal or a bad person for doing his job, but war shouldn't be celebrated. It's fucking terrible that so many people had to see combat and lose their lives on BOTH sides all to line a bunch of greedy piece's of shit's wallets. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maverick 791 Posted February 13, 2013 Notice how most of the liberals are focusing their posts on Chris Kyle and not the ridiculous decision to lower it half mast for Whitney Houston because Obama did it lol... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted February 13, 2013 Because I think pretty much everyone here agrees about Whitney Houston. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maverick 791 Posted February 13, 2013 Because I think pretty much everyone here agrees about Whitney Houston. Bware didn't think so. Zack and Phail who are mostly liberal didn't comment on the Whitney Houston side of things? So far it seems like your assumption is quite the stretch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Fallas 209 Posted February 13, 2013 Kyle was a military icon, not an American icon. It is simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted February 13, 2013 Bware didn't think so. Zack and Phail who are mostly liberal didn't comment on the Whitney Houston side of things? So far it seems like your assumption is quite the stretch. No, his assumption is right on the money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maverick 791 Posted February 13, 2013 No, his assumption is right on the money. Obviously. Just pointing out that you didn't want to knock Obama so instead focused on Chris Kyle. I think anyone could see that's what I was trying to get at lol... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan4Life 542 Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) I don't know how it works in your states but here in New York State we are told to lower the flag to half mast anytime someone in the military from New York State dies in combat or whatever. Maybe it's different everywhere else I don't know just thought I'd point that out. Edit: LOL me putting mass instead of mast Edited February 13, 2013 by JetsFan4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Obviously. Just pointing out that you didn't want to knock Obama so instead focused on Chris Kyle. I think anyone could see that's what I was trying to get at lol... I've knocked on Obama plenty here and other places for some of his policies. Criticizing him for lowering the flag to half-staff over Whitney Houston is trivial at best. Edited February 13, 2013 by Phailadelphia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted February 13, 2013 I've knocked on Obama plenty here and other places for some of his policies. Criticizing him for lowering the flag to half-staff over Whitney Houston is trivial at best. I disagree. What were his motives ? That is what gets me. Why did he do it ? Was it because he liked her music ? If so should presidents be able to do that ? Was it because she was an African American icon..hopefully not. If you are going to do something like that at least make it someone who you can respect like Colin Powell, Morgan Freeman, Clifford Johnson, or William Coleman. Men who have contributed to society and the betterment of mankind who were true pioneers or philanthropists. Doing it for Whitney Houston is a disgrace in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted February 13, 2013 I also agree with the sentiment shared by many about how veterans who act like they created the fucking military are overbearing and in general classless douches who deserve nothing but the ire of people. The ones who are entitled are generally the ones who have done nothing or wish they had a more interesting job than being a local water purification specialist. The one thing I will disagree with is that it is just another job. I think that is a fallacy. I respect farmers as well as anybody else who in general are hard working people who are just trying to make a living and provide for their family. That is an absolutely honorable cause and it deserves respect as much as anything else. The farmer and the soldier both deserve respect, but to think that their jobs are comparable because they chose that is not true imo. Saying a soldiers job is just another job is completely false, those who have done it would would tell you it is far from another job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) After reading Ngata's response to my post I, too, became curious why Obama would do such a thing. Turns out he didnt. Whoops http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/chriskyle.asp It won't let me copy + paste. Scroll to the last paragraph. Edited February 13, 2013 by Phailadelphia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted February 13, 2013 After reading Ngata's response to my post I, too, became curious why Obama would do such a thing. Turns out he didnt. Whoops http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/chriskyle.asp It won't let me copy + paste. Scroll to the last paragraph. Interesting. So as usual the media has duped us.... bitches. I still think he could have stopped it (legally), but that is not nearly the same as ordering it to be done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Phailadelphia Posted February 13, 2013 Interesting. So as usual chain emails and Facebook have duped us.... bitches. I still think he could have stopped it (legally), but that is not nearly the same as ordering it to be done. FTFY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted February 13, 2013 FTFY. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Although the media has been raising hell about this too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted February 14, 2013 After reading Ngata's response to my post I, too, became curious why Obama would do such a thing. Turns out he didnt. Whoops http://www.snopes.co...y/chriskyle.asp It won't let me copy + paste. Scroll to the last paragraph. so you're saying it was actually Chris Christie who had flags lowered (throughout NJ) for Whitney Houston? and that it was the NJ state flag, not the US flag that was lowered? interesting, of course it doesn't change my opinion at all regarding how ridiculous it is, but it's kinda funny that people looking to nitpick at Obama have actually used an action taken by one of the most prominent Republicans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUViking 505 Posted February 14, 2013 Now I think Maverick's comment might apply to me... because I don't want to bash on Christie. No but seriously I think the stupidity behind lowering the flags for Houston goes without saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
