seanbrock 1,684 Posted October 30, 2017 Mueller's gonna take em all down. How could you not hope he does? All of these people are a disease upon our political system. Regardless of which political party you support if any at all, you should be hoping they all go down. There has to be consequences to the rich and powerful. This country is being sold out from under us in BIPARTISAN EFFORT. If you're sitting here appologizing for Manafort, or Trump or the Podesta's or the Clinton's you're a fucking lemming. Come over to my side, Than. These people need to go to fucking jail. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted October 30, 2017 I'm not suggesting they don't. I am saying that specific story you're talking about is conspiracy bollocks. It doesn't mean Hillary hasn't done plenty of other shit they could get her for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted October 31, 2017 When I take money that isn't mine, I am called a criminal. When they take money that isn't theirs, they are called politicians. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBen07 285 Posted October 31, 2017 When I take money that isn't mine, I am called a criminal. When they take money that isn't theirs, they are called politicians. ^ The most truthful statement you'll find anywhere. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 2, 2017 Here you go Sean. Real evidence of DNC Hillary corruption. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 Get these people out of the party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted November 2, 2017 I don't doubt that such a document exists, nor that Hillary was in control of the DNC, but Brazille's narrative here is hard to swallow in certain places. She lit a candle and put on gospel music before calling Bernie? Please. Isn't this the same woman that gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time for the CNN debate? Oh and she's now selling a book, so this whole thing is really just a teaser for her book, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) The FCC is setting up to try to strip net neutrality. One reporter found that a lot of the comments that Ajit Pai, the FCC Chair, has been using to claim his agenda is supported by people, are in fact completely fake: https://medium.com/@vajrajames/ajit-pais-fcc-looking-at-false-public-comments-c5c82a72d22 Edited November 2, 2017 by Thanatos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted November 2, 2017 I don't doubt that such a document exists, nor that Hillary was in control of the DNC, but Brazille's narrative here is hard to swallow in certain places. She lit a candle and put on gospel music before calling Bernie? Please. Isn't this the same woman that gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time for the CNN debate? Oh and she's now selling a book, so this whole thing is really just a teaser for her book, too. Yeah, I don't doubt what she is saying necessarily, but it is a very theatrical retelling... lmao. It was almost like that was a preview of a chapter in her book. Lol. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted November 2, 2017 Yeah, I don't doubt what she is saying necessarily, but it is a very theatrical retelling... lmao. It was almost like that was a preview of a chapter in her book. Lol. That is exactly the vibe I got lmao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Here you go Sean. Real evidence of DNC Hillary corruption. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 Get these people out of the party. I don't doubt that such a document exists, nor that Hillary was in control of the DNC, but Brazille's narrative here is hard to swallow in certain places. She lit a candle and put on gospel music before calling Bernie? Please. Isn't this the same woman that gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time for the CNN debate? Oh and she's now selling a book, so this whole thing is really just a teaser for her book, too. Guys, it was completely obvious from day 1. They DNC has been actively working against most of the ideals that we care about for litterally decades now. Who got rid of The Glass-Steagall Act? Who pushed NAFTA and TPP? Who is responsible for much of the fracking that's going on? Who expanded Bush's wars and made his tax cuts for the rich permanent? The list goes on and on and on and on. They're bought and sold and they have been for years. Now that people are trying to fight for change in the party the fix elections and remove anyone who challenges them from power. I really don't see how anyone could support this party going forward. They're subverting the democratic process to keep the money flowing through the party. This is just sooo fucking wrong. I'm not voting democrat again until Perez and every Clinton democrat is gone from the party. It's Green Party for me now I guess. It makes a lot of sense why Bernie won't run for Senate as a dem. Don't you guys get tired of patting yourselves on the back for being the party of the lesser of two evils? Edited November 3, 2017 by seanbrock 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 Back to the people in charge, I'm glad that the reason my taxes are going up isn't for healthcare or infrastructure improvements or to fix any of a number of things wrong with this shithole of a country. It's so the rich people can pay even less on taxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/926419647708258304 Forgetting the content of that, the word choice of degenerate is concerning given that it's a super popular word for Nazis and not that popular with other people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 Nah, some of your tax dollars are going to murder innocent people thousands of miles away. That make you feel better? Does it make you feel better that you literally have no choice about that because both major parties are really like 95% the same, or at least the choices that you're presented with are. I want Tulsi Gabbard to run for president. I think she would demolish ANY Republican she ran against. Remember when they tried to slam her for meeting with Assad? She would dismantle all those piece of shit corporate Dems too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 Nah, some of your tax dollars are going to murder innocent people thousands of miles away. That make you feel better? Does it make you feel better that you literally have no choice about that because both major parties are really like 95% the same, or at least the choices that you're presented with are. Because the republicans are such doves. Simply saying "both sides are the same" without looking at nuance to try to make yourself sound smarter than everyone is lazy cynicism, but we don't need to re-litigate that argument. I want Tulsi Gabbard to run for president. I think she would demolish ANY Republican she ran against. Remember when they tried to slam her for meeting with Assad? She would dismantle all those piece of shit corporate Dems too. Admit it. You only really like her because you want to fuck her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 Yeah I really do want to have sex with her. I'm waiting for the porn to come out with a Tulsi look alike but she really is one of the best people in Washington. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 Remember when it was (somewhat correctly) a big scandal that the IRS was looking into republican organizations tax-exempt status more than democratic ones? Well lol the president publicly told the FBI and DOJ to target his political opponents. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/926417546038923264 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted November 3, 2017 I get what you're saying, but she did do some shit that at the very least is questionable. Should the DOJ ignore it ? Not supporting Trump but should we at least not look at her for rigging the DNC and screwing Bernie ? That said I am still a Warren fan. She is the only candidate I have seen this far I would vote for, including Gabbard. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 This is one of the positive aspects of Trump. He has a big mouth and is unintentionally a lot more transparent than Hillary or Mike Pence would be. Trump knows how to rally his base but if there is actually a good alternative running against Trump, virtually ALL the independent voters will go the other way. He's also a pretty ineffective president. Can you imagine how much Pence could get done if Trump were impeached? Paul Ryan would be next in line if Pence got taken down with Trump. That would be catastrophic. Paul Ryan is a true piece of shit. I'm convinced he doesn't even have a soul. We need to use these three years to unify and take this country back. People are getting exposed on both sides. We have a real chance right now more than we have in a long long time. As much as I disagree with Libertarians on economics they have a lot of things right socially and they have the correct ideas on foreign policy. Progressives should form a coalition with these people and try to put an end to the corporate domination of our political system. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 I get what you're saying, but she did do some shit that at the very least is questionable. Should the DOJ ignore it ? Not supporting Trump but should we at least not look at her for rigging the DNC and screwing Bernie ? That said I am still a Warren fan. She is the only candidate I have seen this far I would vote for, including Gabbard. I can't throw my full support behind her because she takes donations from some shady cats. She gives me an Obama-like vibe that she says the right things at the right time but doesn't really back much of it up with action. When you take money from the people she takes money from it doesn't come without strings attached. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted November 3, 2017 Guys, it was completely obvious from day 1. They DNC has been actively working against most of the ideals that we care about for litterally decades now. Who got rid of The Glass-Steagall Act? Who pushed NAFTA and TPP? Who is responsible for much of the fracking that's going on? Who expanded Bush's wars and made his tax cuts for the rich permanent? The list goes on and on and on and on. They're bought and sold and they have been for years. Now that people are trying to fight for change in the party the fix elections and remove anyone who challenges them from power. I really don't see how anyone could support this party going forward. They're subverting the democratic process to keep the money flowing through the party. This is just sooo fucking wrong. I'm not voting democrat again until Perez and every Clinton democrat is gone from the party. It's Green Party for me now I guess. It makes a lot of sense why Bernie won't run for Senate as a dem. Don't you guys get tired of patting yourselves on the back for being the party of the lesser of two evils? I've never voted Dem in my life, just to be clear. I will probably vote Dem in 2020 just to get Trump out of office. If he's impeached prior to then, as is looking somewhat likely, idk what I'll do. I get what you're saying, but she did do some shit that at the very least is questionable. Should the DOJ ignore it ? Not supporting Trump but should we at least not look at her for rigging the DNC and screwing Bernie ? That said I am still a Warren fan. She is the only candidate I have seen this far I would vote for, including Gabbard. Unfortunately, I think the DNC is actually legally allowed to rig their primaries, according to the Courts. Unethical as all get out, but legal. I would also vote for Warren and Gabbard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 I refuse to vote out of fear tbh. Right now it's looking like Kamala Harris is being pushed pretty hard and I think it's a lot more important to have a real opposition to corporate interests than it is to get Trump out of office. We have to draw the line somewhere man. If we keep voting for the lesser of two evils and Dems and Republicans just keep handing each other power where are we going to end up? When do we get change? I refuse to feed into this never ending cycle. I can't support a party that subverts the democratic process in order to nominate people who raise money. What is that going to get us? I mean, wtf are super delagates? They're there to make sure somebody like Bernie or Tulsi Gabbard NEVER get nominated. They're there to keep the money flowing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 I get what you're saying, but she did do some shit that at the very least is questionable. Should the DOJ ignore it ? Not supporting Trump but should we at least not look at her for rigging the DNC and screwing Bernie ? That said I am still a Warren fan. She is the only candidate I have seen this far I would vote for, including Gabbard. If the DOJ or FBI think it should be investigated, then let them do it. It is not trumps place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I can't throw my full support behind her because she takes donations from some shady cats. She gives me an Obama-like vibe that she says the right things at the right time but doesn't really back much of it up with action. When you take money from the people she takes money from it doesn't come without strings attached.Honestly, that is kind of the reason I can't vote for Gabbard. She has never really had to get her hands dirty, I'm not saying that she should become a dirty politician. I'm saying though, is that she either has never fought for anything because she doesn't have the nerve, or she doesn't have to sway and to mean that much for people to do unscrupulous things to get her favor. The reason you can say those things about Warren, is because everybody understands she has about a good chance of becoming president as anybody else. They're going to meet her at some point because she's probably the most powerful Democratic candidate at this point. If she ever gets that kind of stroke, she comes out completely clean on the other hand like she has now, I will definitely vote for her. Right now though I'm going to go with somebody who's been fighting the fight for the last 40 years, and even though she's got a little dirt on her hands it's not anything overwhelming. That and I like her because she's also willing to hold them accountable, just like she did to Obama over the trans-pacific partnership. She did not bother walking the party line with all of the other Democrats, she actually stood up for what the American people were saying. I'm not saying she's perfect but right now he's the best candidate I can see on the horizon. Edited November 3, 2017 by Omerta 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted November 3, 2017 I like Warren too and have for a while but I'm just skeptical. Bernie raised a lot of money without taking money from corporate donors and really his candidacy has accomplished a lot despite falling short of the presidency. All we need to is get people out to the polls. We don't need to compromise with the plutocrats. We have the numbers. We just need to mobilize. If people just vote there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted November 3, 2017 So, Bowe Berghdal, a man who deserted the army and got captured, leading to the deaths of soldiers and release of terrorist was sentenced today. He got 0 prison time. Trump has made comments about this, saying he should be killed. The judge takes comments like these into consideration when making a ruling. I don't know if that's why he got off light but t didn't help. All this while trump is calling for the terrorist in New York to be killed. So his law and order is actually a boon to people who hurt the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/bowe-bergdahl-search-attack.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites