2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[SteVo+ 3,702]

So, with Senator Rick Santorum suspending his presidential campaign, it is all but certain that Mitt Romney will secure the Republican nomination for President of the United States. Assuming he does, what are your current thoughts towards the election?

 

Have you made up your mind already? Will your opinion of Romney depend on who he chooses as his running mate? Are you split down the middle? Let us know.

 

Also, don't be discouraged from voting if you are one of our international members. Just vote as if you lived in the U.S., based on your opinion.

 

Discuss!

[Barracuda 629]

They both suck. Will not vote for either of them.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

I haven't been a big fan of a lot of things Obama has done (and that will always be the case with any President), but he passed healthcare reform. I'm a huge fan of that, so he likely gets my vote considering Romney wants to repeal it.

[GA_Eagle 595]

will vote 3rd party

 

edit: like usual.

Edited April 11, 2012 by GA_Eagle

[SteVo+ 3,702]

I haven't been a big fan of a lot of things Obama has done (and that will always be the case with any President), but he passed healthcare reform. I'm a huge fan of that, so he likely gets my vote considering Romney wants to repeal it.

 

So given the economical crisis this country is in right now, you think passing a possibly non-Constitutional (as the Supreme Court shall decide) bill that gives health care to a bunch of underprivileged Americans makes Obama's first term a successful one?

[Guest Phailadelphia]

So given the economical crisis this country is in right now, you think passing a possibly non-Constitutional (as the Supreme Court shall decide) bill that gives health care to a bunch of underprivileged Americans makes Obama's first term a successful one?

 

One issue does not a successful first term make. That being said, I think healthcare reform is a GIGANTIC step forward. And it does far more than just give the underprivileged access to care.

 

The state of the economy is not something that can be fixed in 4 years. That's just silly.

Edited April 11, 2012 by Phailadelphia

[Maverick 791]

So given the economical crisis this country is in right now, you think passing a possibly non-Constitutional (as the Supreme Court shall decide) bill that gives health care to a bunch of underprivileged Americans makes Obama's first term a successful one?

 

This. You're delusional, Phail.

 

Then people like you will cry when we get all the shitty doctors.

[Maverick 791]

How are other countries doing with that same type of healthcare Obama is trying to push, Phail?

 

lol...exactly.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

How are other countries doing with that same type of healthcare Obama is trying to push, Phail?

 

lol...exactly.

 

What does their economic performance have to do with their healthcare systems? Especially when they all pay a significantly smaller share of their GDP for it than we do.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

This. You're delusional, Phail.

 

Then people like you will cry when we get all the shitty doctors.

 

Why are we getting shitty doctors?

[SteVo+ 3,702]

One issue does not a successful first term make. That being said, I think healthcare reform is a GIGANTIC step forward. And it does far more than just give the underprivileged access to care.

 

The state of the economy is not something that can be fixed in 4 years. That's just silly.

 

Never said it could be fixed in 4 years. But that stimulus package sure didn't help. And meanwhile, the national debt continues to grow grow grow...

 

Why hasn't Obama cut all the government programs necessary to make significant budget cuts? Why must the Department of Commerce, Education, Energy, etc. continue to exist?

 

It seems like most politicians (not just talking about Obama now) think we can fix the economy without addressing our debt. Tell me how that works in the real world.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Never said it could be fixed in 4 years. But that stimulus package sure didn't help. And meanwhile, the national debt continues to grow grow grow...

 

Why hasn't Obama cut all the government programs necessary to make significant budget cuts? Why must the Department of Commerce, Education, Energy, etc. continue to exist?

 

It seems like most politicians (not just talking about Obama now) think we can fix the economy without addressing our debt. Tell me how that works in the real world.

 

Bingo.

 

OT: Not voting for Romney, either, I made up my mind to vote third-party before Santorum dropped out of the race.

[Maverick 791]

Why are we getting shitty doctors?

 

It's simple really.

 

Obama's new socialized health care bill is basically a Medicare-type bill. It's aimed at helping poor people and those without insurance. I know there is the minority that don't want to be unemployed and unfortunately are just poor, but that's just how the world works. All this does is make the life of the lazy (majority) even more easier. I know the Liberal idea is "We like to help people who need help." That's all nice and everything, but this isn't the way to do it. You come up with a better system and I'll have an open mind - but socialized healthcare isn't the answer. Our cream of the crop doctor's salaries will drop and they'll go to countries where they will get paid more for their practice that they studied hard for.

 

We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world - and there's a reason for that. America was founded on the principles of keeping government minimized, both economically and socially. Our country was intended to be run as capitalistic as possible. The Constitution forbids the federal government's interference into our personal and economic decisions, including healthcare.

 

But no, you and your liberal buddies keep pushing for this country to head to socialism and you see where it gets us.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

Never said it could be fixed in 4 years. But that stimulus package sure didn't help. And meanwhile, the national debt continues to grow grow grow...

 

Why hasn't Obama cut all the government programs necessary to make significant budget cuts? Why must the Department of Commerce, Education, Energy, etc. continue to exist?

 

It seems like most politicians (not just talking about Obama now) think we can fix the economy without addressing our debt. Tell me how that works in the real world.

 

I know those Ron Paul sites won't tell you this, but Obama has cut something like 600,000 government jobs (that figure might be off...I'm on my phone so I can't check my sources). And how are they not taking into account the debt when that's been the biggest roadblock in Congress the last 4 years? The stimulus was absolutely necessary and kept things like your local governments afloat.

[.AirMcNair. 1,232]

Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny know whats right for the country.

 

Mouse/Bunny 2012

 

 

And before someone says "if you can't take it seriously gtfo", I'm 100% serious in voting for Mickey Mouse.

Edited April 11, 2012 by .AirMcNair.

[Guest Phailadelphia]

It's simple really.

 

Obama's new socialized health care bill is basically a Medicare-type bill. It's aimed at helping poor people and those without insurance. I know there is the minority that don't want to be unemployed and unfortunately are just poor, but that's just how the world works. All this does is make the life of the lazy (majority) even more easier. I know the Liberal idea is "We like to help people who need help." That's all nice and everything, but this isn't the way to do it. You come up with a better system and I'll have an open mind - but socialized healthcare isn't the answer. Our cream of the crop doctor's salaries will drop and they'll go to countries where they will get paid more for their practice that they studied hard for.

 

We have one of the best healthcare systems in the world - and there's a reason for that. America was founded on the principles of keeping government minimized, both economically and socially. Our country was intended to be run as capitalistic as possible. The Constitution forbids the federal government's interference into our personal and economic decisions, including healthcare.

 

But no, you and your liberal buddies keep pushing for this country to head to socialism and you see where it gets us.

 

Stopped reading at "socialized medicine." you're grossly misinformed on healthcare reform.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Stopped reading at "socialized medicine." you're grossly misinformed on healthcare reform.

 

No he's really not.

 

That's what it is. A lot of things in this country are based on socialism- and it's not automatically a bad thing, mind you. The kneejerk reaction from conservatives is to despise something that is labeled as socialism, sure, but it's not a valid reaction. Complete socialism would be a bad thing, but socialism in small parts, just for certain programs, is almost necessary for a first-world country.

 

The problem is not the healthcare reform bill. The problem is being in two wars AND the healthcare reform bill, (and anything else that spends a ton of money- including what Bush did as well, I am not someone who just picks on Obama). Obama promised he was going to get our people out of Iraq and Afghanistan when he took office. They're still there.

 

He can cut as many gov't jobs as he wants, the overall $$$ we spend has gone up, and it will continue to go up so long as we're engaged in multiple wars. We can't continue to do this, not with our debt skyrocketing as much as it has in the last two administrations.

Edited April 11, 2012 by Thanatos19

[Guest Phailadelphia]

No he's really not.

 

That's what it is. A lot of things in this country are based on socialism- and it's not automatically a bad thing, mind you. The kneejerk reaction from conservatives is to despise something that is labeled as socialism, sure, but it's not a valid reaction. Complete socialism would be a bad thing, but socialism in small parts, just for certain programs, is almost necessary for a first-world country.

 

No, he really is. Socialized medicine is government provided insurance, government owned hospitals, with doctors on the government payroll. That's not happening here.

 

There are degrees of socialism in many aspects of our economy and government, yes, but to say ACA is "socialized medicine" is horseshit. The only real argument to be made is that it contains elements of socialism in it's expansion of Medicare and Medicaid but those institutions were already in place. If the ACA is socialized medicine, so is Bush's Medicare Part D expansion and every other subsidy offered by pretty much every President since Nixon. Which is to say, none of them are.

 

Most of the newly insured group have to buy private insurance. There is no government option.

 

The problem is not the healthcare reform bill. The problem is being in two wars AND the healthcare reform bill, (and anything else that spends a ton of money- including what Bush did as well, I am not someone who just picks on Obama). Obama promised he was going to get our people out of Iraq and Afghanistan when he took office. They're still there.

 

He can cut as many gov't jobs as he wants, the overall $$$ we spend has gone up, and it will continue to go up so long as we're engaged in multiple wars. We can't continue to do this, not with our debt skyrocketing as much as it has in the last two administrations.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this.

Edited April 11, 2012 by Phailadelphia

[Tridentdawgpound 1,043]

[Duck Fallas 209]

I will for sure be voting Obama. Bush got 8 years to get us into this festering fucking shithole, why shouldn't Obama get 8 years to get us out?

 

(I will not try to defend my position because I am man enough to admit I don't know enough to wage a coherent argument. And politics bore the ever-living fuck out of me.)

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Pretty faulty logic there.

 

Bush got 8 years to fuck us, so let's take 8 years of Obama fucking us.

 

Awesome.

[Milla4Prez63 678]

Pretty faulty logic there.

 

Bush got 8 years to fuck us, so let's take 8 years of Obama fucking us.

 

Awesome.

 

I was going to say the same thing, I'm no political expert and am neither pro-Bush nor pro-Obama, but the idea of giving Obama a 2nd term because Bush got two is pretty faulty. I won't pile on though, he already said he won't really get into it and he isn't much of a politics person, am neither am I.

 

I'll be voting Romney, but only because I think he is better than Obama. Don't care for either all that much, so I'll just go with the better of the two. I think voting 3rd party is pretty pointless, and isn't worth the gas and time. Thankfully, I've joined by parents in absentee balloting so I don't have to go out to the polls and vote.

[Piggly Wiggly 960]

Voted for the white guy in 2008, will be voting for the white guy again this year.

[SteVo+ 3,702]

The financial collapse happened for a lot of reasons, and Bush was only one of them. For the record.

[JetsFan4Life 542]

Voted for the white guy in 2008, will be voting for the white guy again this year.

 

Which white guy?

 

I'm leaning towards Obama but I'm not opposed to switching. I've only heard bits of pieces of what Romney is about.