Dallas/Denver Deciding Moment, Not the One You Think it Was

[BwareDWare94 723]

There's your list. The fact is, with Romo as the starting QB, Dallas has made the playoffs TWICE. This year they probably make it practically by default. It's not like he's had no help. The Cowboys have had some really talented teams and at the end of the day when you have a talented team and an "elite QB" you expect that QB to be able to at the very least take you to the playoffs. You can make all the excuses you want for the guy but the fact is that every elite QB in the league plays on imperfect teams. Roethlisberger has never had an offensive line and hasn't had a running game since Willie Parker. Drew Brees has pretty much always had a bad defense in NO. Rodgers gets sacked like 40 times a year and plays with a below average defense. Tom Brady hasn't had a defense in years. Now he has one, but no receivers and his team is still 4-1. You can go down the list. You don't have to make excuses for those guys. They don't always get the job done. Nobody is perfect but more often than not they do. Tony has always been a really talented guy. That's been obvious since day one, but come on. He's just not clutch. He can't get it done.

 

Yeah, because Romo's at fault for trying his damndest to carry his team to the playoffs over and over again, putting up elite stats while his teammates continually try, over and over again, to lose games for him. You're just throwing names out there of other QBs in much more manageable situations.

[Dutch 874]

Are you seriously trying to count 44-6, 34-3, and the Giants playoff loss on Romo when his team was just obliterated in two of them and in the other he had countless drops that made it a game in the first place? Don't be ridiculous. Those losses aren't on Romo.

 

And two years ago to NYG? Everybody here KNOWS that none of these losses are on Romo.

 

C'mon, man. Give some real evidence or just forget about it.

 

Continue to disregard the other 4 or so clips. It was at least 3 clips of Romo throwing a game ending interception in the 4th quarter to seal the game. A pic against the Giants in the endzone, a pic to Darrelle Revis, and a pic last year to get into the playoffs against the Redskins. Also the infamous fumbled snap against the Seahawks. Either Romo blows the game by turning the ball over in crunch time to lose the game or he has a horrible game having like 3 turnovers in important games. There's no in between. There are more examples just can't find them on video yet. This is a solid start though.

[BwareDWare94 723]

 

Are you seriously trying to count 44-6, 34-3, and the Giants playoff loss on Romo when his team was just obliterated in two of them and in the other he had countless drops that made it a game in the first place? Don't be ridiculous. Those losses aren't on Romo.

 

And two years ago to NYG? Everybody here KNOWS that none of these losses are on Romo.

 

C'mon, man. Give some real evidence or just forget about it.

 

Continue to disregard the other 4 or so clips. It was at least 3 clips of Romo throwing a game ending interception in the 4th quarter to seal the game. A pic against the Giants in the endzone, a pic to Darrelle Revis, and a pic last year to get into the playoffs against the Redskins. Also the infamous fumbled snap against the Seahawks. Either Romo blows the game by turning the ball over in crunch time to lose the game or he has a horrible game having like 3 turnovers in important games. There's no in between. There are more examples just can't find them on video yet. This is a solid start though.

 

 

You're blaming that Giants playoff loss on Romo simply because it ended on an interception. Anybody who watched that game knows that his teammates failed him miserably throughout the day. Countless drops. A late scoring drive allowed by the defense.

 

There aren't more examples. You seem to just be going through big losses and just pinning them on Romo's shoulders. Ridiculous.

 

And I've already acknowledged the Revis INT game, last year's Washington game, and the botched field goal snap.

 

In both 44-6 and 34-3, Romo had turnovers because he was trying to dig his team out of massive holes dug by the defense. They aren't games where it was close until Romo turned the ball over. They were flat out demolitions of the 2008 and 2009 Dallas Cowboy teams.

 

Stop pinning every little loss on Romo. You're making a mockery of the fact that we're smarter than general NFL fans. You know better than this, dutch. You're smarter than this.

Edited October 8, 2013 by BwareDWare94

[Dutch 874]

 

There's your list. The fact is, with Romo as the starting QB, Dallas has made the playoffs TWICE. This year they probably make it practically by default. It's not like he's had no help. The Cowboys have had some really talented teams and at the end of the day when you have a talented team and an "elite QB" you expect that QB to be able to at the very least take you to the playoffs. You can make all the excuses you want for the guy but the fact is that every elite QB in the league plays on imperfect teams. Roethlisberger has never had an offensive line and hasn't had a running game since Willie Parker. Drew Brees has pretty much always had a bad defense in NO. Rodgers gets sacked like 40 times a year and plays with a below average defense. Tom Brady hasn't had a defense in years. Now he has one, but no receivers and his team is still 4-1. You can go down the list. You don't have to make excuses for those guys. They don't always get the job done. Nobody is perfect but more often than not they do. Tony has always been a really talented guy. That's been obvious since day one, but come on. He's just not clutch. He can't get it done.

 

Yeah, because Romo's at fault for trying his damndest to carry his team to the playoffs over and over again, putting up elite stats while his teammates continually try, over and over again, to lose games for him. You're just throwing names out there of other QBs in much more manageable situations.

 

 

You're in so much denial. Romo can play a great game but crumbles and makes a bone headed play in the most crucial moments of the game. That's his signature. Sean didn't name QBs in much more manageable situations. He named other QBs that won despite the flaws on the rest of their team. We all know Romo is talented but just not when the game is on the line in crunch time.

[Dutch 874]

 

 

You're blaming that Giants playoff loss on Romo simply because it ended on an interception. Anybody who watched that game knows that his teammates failed him miserably throughout the day. Countless drops. A late scoring drive allowed by the defense.

 

There aren't more examples. You seem to just be going through big losses and just pinning them on Romo's shoulders. Ridiculous.

 

 

Bware, there comes a point in time in a game/drive when NOTHING that happened before that play matters because it's either win or lose at this moment. The moment where you are in total control to either win or lose the game. It's called crunch time and only clutch players step up in this moment and take the game. These are all one possession games and winnable so all the plays before doesn't matter because there's a chance to win NOW. You can't harp on everything else when there's a chance to win the game at that very moment. If Romo throws TDs instead of those interceptions he's a hero.

 

That's like the Eagles last playoff game in 2010. We lost by 5 points and David Akers missed 2 easy FGs. Our WRs also had a bad game and disappeared. BUT, there was a CHANCE to win the game with 44 seconds left. At this point, NONE of that matters because the game can be won at this very moment. Nothing else that happened BEFORE can affect this moment. Just the execution of our QB. Vick then throws the game ending interception in the endzone and seals the deal. I can harp about those 2 missed field goals or our WRs disappearing but we had a CHANCE to win at that very moment. The game was totally in Vick's hands and nothing that happened before mattered but he failed.

 

I understand the concept that a lot of factors are involved collectively in this team game BUT in THOSE situations, it is fair to say when you TURN the ball over, that person ultimately lost the game. It's called the dagger. Romo is a self stabbing dagger to himself in these moments when he can win the game and erase everything that happened afterwards. However, he just adds to it at the most critical moments. You can't keep making excuses. The pudding is in the pie and at the end of the day, the great QBs don't turn the ball over in those moments and make those clutch plays to win the game.

Edited October 8, 2013 by dutchff7

[oochymp 2,393]

 

There's your list. The fact is, with Romo as the starting QB, Dallas has made the playoffs TWICE. This year they probably make it practically by default. It's not like he's had no help. The Cowboys have had some really talented teams and at the end of the day when you have a talented team and an "elite QB" you expect that QB to be able to at the very least take you to the playoffs. You can make all the excuses you want for the guy but the fact is that every elite QB in the league plays on imperfect teams. Roethlisberger has never had an offensive line and hasn't had a running game since Willie Parker. Drew Brees has pretty much always had a bad defense in NO. Rodgers gets sacked like 40 times a year and plays with a below average defense. Tom Brady hasn't had a defense in years. Now he has one, but no receivers and his team is still 4-1. You can go down the list. You don't have to make excuses for those guys. They don't always get the job done. Nobody is perfect but more often than not they do. Tony has always been a really talented guy. That's been obvious since day one, but come on. He's just not clutch. He can't get it done.

 

Yeah, because Romo's at fault for trying his damndest to carry his team to the playoffs over and over again, putting up elite stats while his teammates continually try, over and over again, to lose games for him. You're just throwing names out there of other QBs in much more manageable situations.

 

see but that's exactly the problem, Romo tries too hard, throws tough passes, tries to get the ball in where there's just no room for it, and they turn into turnovers, the best QBs are the guys who put their teammates in position to make great plays, who don't try to do everything themselves, and it's not like Romo doesn't have a supporting cast, I'd rank the trio of Austin, Bryant, and Witten right near the top of the league

[seanbrock 1,684]

How is it that every loss the Cowboys have had and every failed attempt at making the post season or mounting some kind of run is everybody elses fault but Romo's? Make a list of the top ten QB's in the league and the only one with as many problems making the playoffs and winning once there is Romo and maybe Cutler.

[BJORN 679]

I don't see how you can say that wasn't the deciding moment of the game seeing how it handing the Broncos the win on a plate.

 

Also, at this point how much can you really blame the defense for when the Broncos are dropping 40+ on pretty much everyone they have faced?

[Barracuda 629]

By now I'm probably a pretty well known Tony Romo hater around here.

 

I just came in here to say hello.

[Maverick 791]

Goodbye.

[oochymp 2,393]

How is it that every loss the Cowboys have had and every failed attempt at making the post season or mounting some kind of run is everybody elses fault but Romo's? Make a list of the top ten QB's in the league and the only one with as many problems making the playoffs and winning once there is Romo and maybe Cutler.

the same way Eli Manning gets all the credit for winning two Super Bowls on the strength of some very good defenses, the QB always gets more credit and blame than he deserves, it's just the nature of the position

[BwareDWare94 723]

 

 

There's your list. The fact is, with Romo as the starting QB, Dallas has made the playoffs TWICE. This year they probably make it practically by default. It's not like he's had no help. The Cowboys have had some really talented teams and at the end of the day when you have a talented team and an "elite QB" you expect that QB to be able to at the very least take you to the playoffs. You can make all the excuses you want for the guy but the fact is that every elite QB in the league plays on imperfect teams. Roethlisberger has never had an offensive line and hasn't had a running game since Willie Parker. Drew Brees has pretty much always had a bad defense in NO. Rodgers gets sacked like 40 times a year and plays with a below average defense. Tom Brady hasn't had a defense in years. Now he has one, but no receivers and his team is still 4-1. You can go down the list. You don't have to make excuses for those guys. They don't always get the job done. Nobody is perfect but more often than not they do. Tony has always been a really talented guy. That's been obvious since day one, but come on. He's just not clutch. He can't get it done.

 

Yeah, because Romo's at fault for trying his damndest to carry his team to the playoffs over and over again, putting up elite stats while his teammates continually try, over and over again, to lose games for him. You're just throwing names out there of other QBs in much more manageable situations.

 

 

You're in so much denial. Romo can play a great game but crumbles and makes a bone headed play in the most crucial moments of the game. That's his signature. Sean didn't name QBs in much more manageable situations. He named other QBs that won despite the flaws on the rest of their team. We all know Romo is talented but just not when the game is on the line in crunch time.

 

 

There are maybe 4-5 scenarios in his career where Romo has lost a game in crunch time, and not every one of them involved a season ender. Only two--Seattle playoff game, Washington last year. Otherwise, Romo's had other scenarios, but none of which ended the Cowboys' season.

 

As a fan who watched countless receivers drop passes against the Giants in that playoff game, only to see the defense turn to warm butter as Eli Manning marched down the field for the GW drive, I will not blame that loss on Tony Romo. IIRC, Romo got the ball back with pretty much no time on the clock. It was a miracle that the 'boys were even close enough for that endzone pick.

 

You can say Tony's lost 3 games in his career on game ending plays, Revis, Snap, Denver, but we all know Dallas loses something like 48-10 without Romo. You can't fault a guy who was the reason you nearly won the game in the first place.

 

There aren't better options than Tony Romo out there for the Dallas Cowboys. Kyle Orton is a game manager. Alex Tanney is an unproven commodity. This is who we have, and 9 times out of 10 he puts us in position to win, and maybe that tenth time is when he throws a pick. Not until Dan Bailey did Romo have a trustworthy kicker, and even he's missed very makeable GW FGs in the last couple years. Not until 2009 did Romo have a great defense, and they imploded against Minnesota and haven't been trustworthy ever since.

 

No other elite to top 10 QB has had to put up with the conglomerate of bullshit that Tony Romo has during his career, and he's always got us in position to be playoff contenders if he's healthy.

 

You throw Romo in Rodgers, Brees, Eli's, and Big Ben's situations in their good years, and Romo succeeds.

 

Stop beating the media's dead horse. We all know that Tony Romo is a great quarterback, but also all know that the bullshit he's dealt with is greater than that of other great QBs. Nobody has to overcome nearly as much as Tony does just to win a damn game. One damn game out of 16.

[oochymp 2,393]

 

There aren't better options than Tony Romo out there for the Dallas Cowboys. Kyle Orton is a game manager. Alex Tanney is an unproven commodity. This is who we have, and 9 times out of 10 he puts us in position to win, and maybe that tenth time is when he throws a pick. Not until Dan Bailey did Romo have a trustworthy kicker, and even he's missed very makeable GW FGs in the last couple years. Not until 2009 did Romo have a great defense, and they imploded against Minnesota and haven't been trustworthy ever since.

 

No other elite to top 10 QB has had to put up with the conglomerate of bullshit that Tony Romo has during his career, and he's always got us in position to be playoff contenders if he's healthy.

the first paragraph I quoted is a point I don't think anyone is arguing, no sane person who knows anything about football would say that Kyle Orton or Alex Tanney would be a better option than Romo, but that doesn't mean Romo is worth $120 million and doesn't say anything about his rank among NFL starters

 

to the second paragraph, not many QBs have the luxury of receiving options like Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten, Romo has absolutely been in a position to succeed based on his supporting cast, and if you're talking about the media bullshit, but that's the nature of being QB for the Cowboys, it's almost as bad as the New York teams with the amount of media attention it draws

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Ya, I think Tony over thinking or trying too hard is a huge issue.

Through out the game, Tony made playing QB look easy. He was making great reads and great throws all day. Smooth transition from the snap to his drop back to his delivery. Just effortless.... Until that last series. Granted, we didn't get to see much of that last series... But he rushed everything, made it harder on himself and his teammates, and was probably thinking too much about not blowing the game to deliver sound throws.

The moment was just too big for him and the pressure got to him..

[Dutch 874]

[BwareDWare94 723]

 

 

There aren't better options than Tony Romo out there for the Dallas Cowboys. Kyle Orton is a game manager. Alex Tanney is an unproven commodity. This is who we have, and 9 times out of 10 he puts us in position to win, and maybe that tenth time is when he throws a pick. Not until Dan Bailey did Romo have a trustworthy kicker, and even he's missed very makeable GW FGs in the last couple years. Not until 2009 did Romo have a great defense, and they imploded against Minnesota and haven't been trustworthy ever since.

 

No other elite to top 10 QB has had to put up with the conglomerate of bullshit that Tony Romo has during his career, and he's always got us in position to be playoff contenders if he's healthy.

the first paragraph I quoted is a point I don't think anyone is arguing, no sane person who knows anything about football would say that Kyle Orton or Alex Tanney would be a better option than Romo, but that doesn't mean Romo is worth $120 million and doesn't say anything about his rank among NFL starters

 

to the second paragraph, not many QBs have the luxury of receiving options like Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten, Romo has absolutely been in a position to succeed based on his supporting cast, and if you're talking about the media bullshit, but that's the nature of being QB for the Cowboys, it's almost as bad as the New York teams with the amount of media attention it draws

 

 

Yes, he has weapons, but he produces at pretty much an elite level and yet the team still rarely reaches the playoffs. If you think that's Romo's fault, you haven't been watching Cowboys games.

[Jayrus 51]

Romo's pick directly resulted in the Cowboys losing the game. There is no debating this. The defense failing to stop a damn thing resulted in Romo being forced to make miracles happen which resulted in Romo throwing a pick. There is also no debating this. In the end the blame for this loss falls on both. This is something we all need to accept.

 

The practice of scapegoating one player for an entire team's struggles has had a big hand in Dallas' devolution into what it is. For years they've looked back at every season and pinned all their problems on one person. It was Wade Phillips. It was T.O. It was the O-line. It was the CBs. It was Rob Ryan. The Cowboys have become the kings of scapegoating.

 

The fact is Dallas will never be back on top until they stop shifting all the blame on one place and admit everyone from the GM down is fucking up in some way and do something about it. The alternative is more of what we've already seen for years.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Jayrus

[Guest Phailadelphia]

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INTs in last 3 min of 1-score games since '06: Eli 15 (220 att.), Brees 13 (234), Roethlisberger 13 (249), Flacco 7 (136), Romo 7 (272)

[Dutch 874]

 

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INTs in last 3 min of 1-score games since '06: Eli 15 (220 att.), Brees 13 (234), Roethlisberger 13 (249), Flacco 7 (136), Romo 7 (272)

 

 

I wonder what all those Qbs have that Romo doesn't have

[Mathias 394]

Only when it comes to Tony Romo nobody wants to use numbers anymore.

[BwareDWare94 723]

 

 

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INTs in last 3 min of 1-score games since '06: Eli 15 (220 att.), Brees 13 (234), Roethlisberger 13 (249), Flacco 7 (136), Romo 7 (272)

 

 

I wonder what all those Qbs have that Romo doesn't have

 

 

I think the argument is that he's no less clutch than any of them. It's not about what he has or doesn't have. He has two advantages that don't stretch very far. He's got a better TE than 2 of them (I think Heath Miller is a carbon copy of Jason Witten), and one receiver who's better than any of theirs but Victor Cruz. Outside of that, nothing. All 4 of those QBs have elite coaches, for one.

Edited October 9, 2013 by BwareDWare94

[Jayrus 51]

Guys. It's Superbowl rings. All those QBs have rings. Romo doesn't. THAT was his point.

[Dutch 874]

[BwareDWare94 723]

Guys. It's Superbowl rings. All those QBs have rings. Romo doesn't. THAT was his point.

 

All of those QBs have had better teams and better coaching staffs surrounding them. You throw Romo in any of those situations and he has rings, too.