Presidential Election Thread

[Sarge+ 3,436]

So who's a better solution then?

[BJORN 679]

Obama interim, re-do the election.

[seanbrock 1,684]

So who's a better solution then?

 

Gary Johnson

[Cherry 1,302]

Gary Johnson

Indeed

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Gary Johnson would be an utter embarrassment.

[Piggly Wiggly 960]

Gary Johnson would be an utter embarrassment.

Don't ruffle Milla's jimmies

[Thanatos 2,847]

Don't really see how he'd be worse than Trump or Clinton.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Not really worse, but it's pretty sad when old man Bernie is more in touch with international news than Gary Johnson. Johnson needs to put the joints down one in a while, maybe then he would make a good President.

[Cherry 1,302]

I'd rather have a high president who can't remember where Aleppo is over a fucking socialist

Edited October 30, 2016 by 7-9

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Of course YOU would, you're all about billionaires getting more money that they don't deserve, which has always fascinated me since you're not a billionaire and never will be.

Edited October 30, 2016 by Sarge

[seanbrock 1,684]

I'd much rather have free college and universal health care than a bunch of wars. If we weren't patrolling the world we'd have plenty of money to do that and more but instead lets put that money good use and kill a bunch of brown people. Admittedly Gary Johnson is a non-inverventionalist (he also can't even name 1 foreign leader) too but the guy is for further destruction of the environment, he's for the TPP and he's against campaign finance reform. If people aren't mired in debt as soon as they get out of college and they make livable wages you're investing in the youth and if you block free trade agreements you're keeping jobs in the country. It would stimulate the economy a lot. Comparing Johnson to Sanders makes Johnson look like a fucking joke.

 

Unfortunately just the simple fact that Johnson doesn't want to start WWIII probably makes him a better option than Trump or Clinton because all his other views besides medical marijuana are almost the same as the other two clowns.

Edited October 30, 2016 by seanbrock

[Cherry 1,302]

Of course YOU would, you're all about billionaires getting more money that they don't deserve, which has always fascinated me since you're not a billionaire and never will be.

I'm more about the part where taxing billionaires an outrageous amount and having a business tax rate of 35% is incredibly fucking harmful to growth. Oh, and that 35% business tax rate applies more to small business owners struggling to get by rather than big businesses.

 

Here's a nice bit from the Johnson.

 

We need to get rid of the income tax. Giant, slow corporations spend their money on lobbying because tax avoidance is where their profit is. General Electric earned $14.2 billion in 2010 and paid zero taxes on it. Why? Because it has the lobbyists to get subsidies and tax breaks.

But those mom-and-pop stores? The tech startups? The nimble new corporations with new ideas and new visions for our economy? They pay as much as 35 cents on every dollar they earn. When the company pays its employees, the government taxes that money again. We need to stop taxing work, savings and investment. I advocate removing all income taxes, all capital-gains taxes, and replacing them with a consumption tax, kind of a national sales tax called the Fair-tax.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

"Free" college and universal healthcare.

Edited October 30, 2016 by Favre4Ever

[Cherry 1,302]

I'd much rather have free college and universal health care than a bunch of wars. If we weren't patrolling the world we'd have plenty of money to do that and more but instead lets put that money good use and kill a bunch of brown people. Admittedly Gary Johnson is a non-inverventionalist (he also can't even name 1 foreign leader) too but the guy is for further destruction of the environment, he's for the TPP and he's against campaign finance reform. If people aren't mired in debt as soon as they get out of college and they make livable wages you're investing in the youth and if you block free trade agreements you're keeping jobs in the country. It would stimulate the economy a lot. Comparing Johnson to Sanders makes Johnson look like a fucking joke.

 

Unfortunately just the simple fact that Johnson doesn't want to start WWIII probably makes him a better option than Trump or Clinton because all his other views besides medical marijuana are almost the same as the other two clowns.

 

Free college isn't real. It's still paid for through tax dollars. Rather than fork over 40% of your earnings, you can pay an absolutely minimal tax and have the money to spend on things like college loans. Same applies with healthcare. Universal healthcare is a mess because it assumes all Americans require, or can afford the same amount of healthcare. A billionaire is going to have better healthcare than a minimum wage worker. That's the truth of it, and the middle class should not be dragged down trying to prop up people who can't afford their healthcare.

 

Free trade is awesome as long as you're exporting as much as you're importing. The current issue we have is that it is more profitable for American businesses to go across the pacific to places like China to create goods. Then it gets sent back over here where the only jobs available involve selling the shit made overseas. Cut the tax rate to equal that of China and you'll see new businesses form and maybe even some old ones come back.

Edited October 30, 2016 by 7-9

[blotsfan 2,112]

Some of us are Hillary supporters, some of us are Trump supporters, some of us like a third party candidate, and some of us don't believe the US actually has a government. However, I'm glad that in this trying times, there is one thing we can all agree on:

 

Chris Christie's failures are hillarious.

 

 

https://twitter.com/lmoliva_/status/792735228460761088

[Cherry 1,302]

Thank god. Christie is fucking cancer.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

cherry, in the past you have advocated ideas such as removing a minimum wage entirely and "trusting" rich business owners to pay workers the wage they are worth based on their production. You absolutely favor rich people 100% with ideas like that. It's called a minimum wage because they would absolutely pay less if they were legally able to do so. We can't even trust them to pay taxes, you really think they can be trusted to pay people a living wage?

 

Welcome to Naive City. Population: Cherry.

 

Trickle-down economics only works in that it gives the wealthy more food to eat so they can shit on the poor some more. You sound like Ronald Reagan's interlocutor or something.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Trickle down economics will eventually lead to shanty towns and Pinkerton's again. Hell we've already seen the dogs being sicked on peaceful protestors in ND. Income inequality has been growing every year for decades. That's a DIRECT result of deregulation and bad legislation and tax policy aka trickle down economics.

[blotsfan 2,112]

And what Donald Trump wants is more than just trickle down. Its Donalded-up Trickledown.

 

Wait, thats not right...

[seanbrock 1,684]

It doesn't matter who is president, Trump, Hillary or Johnson. We're getting more trickledown economics. lol

[Cherry 1,302]

Taxing small businesses 20% less isn't trickle down economics. Stop straw-manning, holy shit.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

I don't think you know what straw-manning is. lol

 

My argument is that you are completely in favor of rich people. You jump around this entire section thumping your chest to give them every advantage. I can quote your posts if you want...

[seanbrock 1,684]

Taxing small business' less is always the rhetoric used to get people to like the idea of trickle down economics but every president we've had since Reagan has been extremely business friendly and all the decent paying jobs are gone and the income inequality gap just keeps widening as the 1% keeps getting richer.

[Cherry 1,302]

I don't think you know what straw-manning is. lol

 

My argument is that you are completely in favor of rich people. You jump around this entire section thumping your chest to give them every advantage. I can quote your posts if you want...

"Small businesses would benefit from a tax cut. Everyone would, actually."

 

"Oh so you want the rich to get richer huh? You hate poor people."

 

This isn't straw-manning the fuck out of me?

Edited October 31, 2016 by 7-9

[Cherry 1,302]

Taxing small business' less is always the rhetoric used to get people to like the idea of trickle down economics but every president we've had since Reagan has been extremely business friendly and all the decent paying jobs are gone and the income inequality gap just keeps widening as the 1% keeps getting richer.

Business friendly? Lmfao. 35% tax rate along with being forced to pay the rising health care costs of all employees who are 40 hours or more? That's not business friendly. That's taking business out back in the alley and stabbing it 25 times. That gives incentives to not hiring people and moving shit overseas if you can afford it.