First Round Rookies

[BC 331]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... us-week-3/

This article is from Pro Football Focus. Interesting that the bottom half of the round seems to be out-performing the top half. Those "safe" top-5 tackles are especially bad. Meanwhile, the "risky" pick of Ansah is doing quite well according to these metrics.

 

1. Eric Fisher, T, Kansas City Chiefs
Grade: -6.7
Snaps: 219
Analysis: Look away now Chiefs fans because hopes of your young tackle taking the league by storm are fading fast. It’s been a tough adjustment to the right side of the line and to the NFL with Fisher being our fifth lowest ranked tackle on the year. He’s graded equally poorly against the run as in pass protection and been flagged for three penalties.

2. Luke Joeckel, T, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade: -1.9
Snaps: 212
Analysis: By comparison the Jaguars have to be laughing. Joeckel has had some rough moments with his run blocking but is doing a better job of slowing pass rushers down, with a marginally better Pass Blocking Efficiency score than Fisher. Still there’s plenty of room for improvement as well.

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +2.6
Snaps: 57
Analysis: Got his biggest workout to date against the Falcons and responded with his best showing. His lack of playing time and role as a situational rusher may prevent him pushing on, but it’s worth noting his 15.2 Pass Rushing Productivity score is tied for the highest among 4-3 defensive ends.

4. Lane Johnson, T, Philadelphia Eagles
Grade: -5.2
Snaps: 213
Analysis: It didn’t start off too bad for Johnson but he had a rough day out against the Chargers and then a horror show versus the Chiefs. Justin Houston really taught him a harsh lesson and it’s left the Eagle as our seventh lowest ranked right tackle.

5. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions
Grade: +2.6
Snaps: 130
Analysis: Our 15th ranked 4-3 defensive end, Ansah got his first start against the Redskins even if he wasn’t quite as good as his excellent outing versus the Cardinals. He’s evidently not as raw as some said he would be, with a solid 10 quarterback disruptions on the year already.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: +0.4
Snaps: 79
Analysis: After missing the opener Mingo has has been eased into things as a situational player while Jabaal Sheard and Paul Kruger draw the majority of snaps. Two sacks and three hurries on 41 pass rushes isn’t a bad return at this stage but you’d like to see a little more of him on the field.

7. Jonathan Cooper, G, Arizona Cardinals
Grade: N/A
Snaps: N/A
Analysis: Out for the year on injured reserve after breaking his leg in the preseason.

8. Tavon Austin, WR, St Louis Rams
Grade: -1.1
Snaps: 154
Analysis: Not the dynamic start that Rams fans had been hoping for. At the moment his 1.05 Yards Per Route Run are only good enough for 70th out of 88 receivers and he’s dropped three passes. These things do take time.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: -2.0
Snaps: 128
Analysis: Started the year as an every down player but wasn’t ready and earned a second half benching in Week 2. Returned to play 23 snaps in Week 3 where he looked better but it’s been a far from impressive start from man charged with replacing Darrelle Revis.

10. Chance Warmack, G, Tennessee Titans
Grade: -2.0
Snaps: 210
Analysis: Thought J.J. Watt was just another guy even after he’d been beaten for two sacks and three hurries versus the Texans. Warmack’s positive grade for the year is largely due to his run blocking. However, his pass protection woes against Houston have left him nursing an overall negative grade.

11. D.J. Fluker, T, San Diego Chargers
Grade: -1.4
Snaps: 139
Analysis: Given how the rookie right tackles have been playing so far he did himself a favor by being unable to suit up against the Titans and Derrick Morgan. Fluker hasn’t really had the impact in the running game that you would have hoped for yet.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders
Grade: -4.6
Snaps: 136
Analysis: He’d flown under the radar the first two weeks of the season but it all went horribly wrong in against the Broncos. Managed to miss a staggering six tackles in that game alone and is now our 98th (out of 103) ranked cornerback.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets
Grade: +5.5
Snaps: 162
Analysis: Let’s start with the not so good. He hasn’t generated much pressure. Now let’s get on to the good (and it is good), where he is really making a name for himself with his work against the run. Currently only J.J. Watt of the 3-4 ends has a higher rating in that regard.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: +7.8
Snaps: 108
Analysis: At the moment our sixth ranked defensive tackle on the year with nearly his entire grade coming against the run. In that regard only Damon Harrison has graded better as Lotulelei already makes a name for himself.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints
Grade: -3.1
Snaps: 175
Analysis: The grade is perhaps harsher than it appears. Vaccaro has brought some playmaking and athleticism to the Saints secondary, but he’s failed when used as a pass rusher (no pressure on 11 rushes) and earned slight negatives against the run and in coverage. Do his big plays make up for this?

16. E.J. Manuel, QB, Buffalo Bills
Grade: -8.2
Snaps: 227
Analysis: It started off pretty well but since then Manuel has stuttered and then imploded with a horrid outing versus a rampant Jets defense. His numbers don’t do justice as he sits bottom of our quarterback grading, reminding us of a time when it was okay for rookies to struggle.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: +0.4
Snaps: 130
Analysis: Was made a starter for Week 2 but it wasn’t until this week against the Bears where he started to look the part. With just four hurries isn’t doing much rushing the passer but is showing his value with some active work against the run.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers
Grade: +0.4
Snaps: 168
Analysis: You can’t like the five missed tackles but with two picks and a pass break up he’s proved an ample replacement for Dashon Goldson. Now it’s up to him to prove he can be more than that.

19. Justin Pugh, OT, New York Giants
Grade: -5.2
Snaps: 193
Analysis: The dam burst against Charles Johnson and the Panthers and the outcome is that of all offensive tackles in the league, the 17 combined sacks, hits and hurries Pugh gave up are third most. He hasn’t been much better against the run.

20. Kyle Long, G, Chicago Bears
Grade: +2.7
Snaps: 194
Analysis: Impressive when he gets his hands on defenders but yet to really get to grips with his pass protection where he’s already been beaten for a hit and seven hurries. It’s a testament to how good his run blocking is that he still has a positive grade.

21. Tyler Eifert, TE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: +1.7
Snaps: 128
Analysis: Started the season off reasonably well, catching 9-of-11 targets and doing a decent enough job when the team had him blocking in space (as opposed to the big defensive ends they leave for Jermaine Gresham). A nice one two punch right now.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: +0.2
Snaps: 198
Analysis: A decent enough start after it looked like he might struggle in preseason. Instead while he’s allowed 12-of-17 into his coverage they’ve come at just 10.3 yards per catch and he’s broken up four balls.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: 0.0
Snaps: 90
Analysis: Struggled to do much against the run so far but has flashed his ability rushing the passer with a hit and two hurries on limited snaps. It seems that the Vikings usage of him might act as a check on his impact.

24. Bjoern Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts
Grade: -2.6
Snaps: 84
Analysis: Around 30 snaps a game seems his limit right now as the team prefers to use him purely as a situational pass rusher. In that regard he’s been better since Week one even if he’s certainly not prolific. He currently owns six hurries on 52 pass rushes.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +2.2
Snaps: 162
Analysis: Not quite worked his way into the lineup as an every down player but has more than held his own enough that you wouldn’t expect it too long before he does. Allowed just 7-of-13 balls into his coverage at 6.6 yards per catch.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers
Grade: -4.0
Snaps: 49
Analysis: The plan to set him loose in obvious passing situations has yielded the one sack and absolutely nothing else in his 49 snaps on defense. File this guy as one for the future.

27. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Houston Texans
Grade: +5.3
Snaps: 208
Analysis: Making a mockery of his draft selection already, Hopkins has a healthy 243 yards and zero drops while making his way to seventh spot in our receiver rankings. An early contender for Rookie of the Year at this point.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos
Grade: -2.7
Snaps: 44
Analysis: The fifth best defensive tackle on the Broncos roster at this point, delivering no pressure and minimal impact against the run. So far Williams is not having the impact the team was likely hoping for.

29. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +1.9
Snaps: 31
Analysis: You read that right, just 31 snaps for Patterson who is being brought along slowly on offense, with bigger contributions expected on special teams. The good news is when he’s been in he’s turned seven targets into five receptions and 73 yards.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -2.5
Snaps: 190
Analysis: Makes a whole lot of tackles but has had some issues when blockers aren’t kept off him. The four missed tackles aren’t ideal either but he’s made a decent enough start to life in the NFL.

31. Travis Frederick, C, Dallas Cowboys
Grade: -0.2
Snaps: 208
Analysis: Coming off his best game as a pro with a fine run blocking display against the Rams. Will need to get better in pass protection though because two sacks, a hit and three hurries is too much for a center to have allowed at this stage.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: 0.0
Snaps: 146
Analysis: The struggles of Michael Huff saw Elam promoted into the starting lineup quicker than most expected. He’s been outshone by the excellence of James Ihedigbo but has performed in a solid manner so far.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Favre4Ever

[Dutch 874]

Appreciate the info but the gray overcoat is a pain.

 

Star has been an absolute monster. I guess it does help having a Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy on the line with you but he has been a huge asset to the Panthers.

 

Sheldon Richardson has played well too.

 

Deandre Hopkins has been great and made a clutch play sealing the game catching the TD pass in overtime against the Titans.

 

Cordarrelle Patterson has had very limited snaps. They are probably trying to work him in still and probably believe he's still raw. I can't wait to see him hit the field more. He definitely has play making ability,

 

Lane Johnson was playing good the first two games but costly penalties against the Chargers (taking points off the board) and getting raped by Justin Houston against the Chiefs.

 

Tavon Austin has underwhelmed so far. Like I've said, I always saw Tavon Austin as an addition player to a team that already has a true #1 receiver so he can play the mismatch guy role. Ofcourse the verdict is still out.

 

 

4th Round

 

Tyrann Mathieu has been balling. Had to give him some props for the plays he has been making. Forcing a fumble in the redzone preventing a TD on the 1 yard line, ending the game making a tackle on 4th and short against the Lions and had a nice interception against the Saints picking off Drew Brees.

 

Also, Manti Teo rookie debut coming up this week. It will be interesting to see how many snaps he gets.

[Bucman 891]

Tavon Austin is sucking. I may of been wrong about him

[BwareDWare94 723]

Appreciate the info but the gray overcoat is a pain.

 

Star has been an absolute monster. I guess it does help having a Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy on the line with you but he has been a huge asset to the Panthers.

 

Sheldon Richardson has played well too.

 

Deandre Hopkins has been great and made a clutch play sealing the game catching the TD pass in overtime against the Titans.

 

Cordarrelle Patterson has had very limited snaps. They are probably trying to work him in still and probably believe he's still raw. I can't wait to see him hit the field more. He definitely has play making ability,

 

Lane Johnson was playing good the first two games but costly penalties against the Chargers (taking points off the board) and getting raped by Justin Houston against the Chiefs.

 

Tavon Austin has underwhelmed so far. Like I've said, I always saw Tavon Austin as an addition player to a team that already has a true #1 receiver so he can play the mismatch guy role. Ofcourse the verdict is still out.

 

 

4th Round

 

Tyrann Mathieu has been balling. Had to give him some props for the plays he has been making. Forcing a fumble in the redzone preventing a TD on the 1 yard line, ending the game making a tackle on 4th and short against the Lions and had a nice interception against the Saints picking off Drew Brees.

 

Also, Manti Teo rookie debut coming up this week. It will be interesting to see how many snaps he gets.

 

He's like Ansah--not nearly as raw as people thought. His limited snaps are due to the Vikings coaching staff being absolute morons.

[Milla4Prez63 678]

I was not a big fan of this draft class so I'm happy to end up with Revis instead.

One of the guys I was high on though is DeAndre Hopkins. Glad to see him playing well for the Texans.

[OSUViking 505]

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

[Tridentdawgpound 1,043]

Mingo eats people for fun.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

Why can't you?

[OSUViking 505]

 

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

Why can't you?

 

I don't have any special cable packages and neither FOX nor CBS air the Vikings on a consistent basis. We had the game last week, but I was out with my dad since he was going to be gone for two weeks.

[Dutch 874]

 

 

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

Why can't you?

 

I don't have any special cable packages and neither FOX nor CBS air the Vikings on a consistent basis. We had the game last week, but I was out with my dad since he was going to be gone for two weeks.

 

 

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=219488&part=sports

[Thanatos 2,847]

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

[CampinWithaMissingPerson 2,025]

 

 

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

Why can't you?

 

I don't have any special cable packages and neither FOX nor CBS air the Vikings on a consistent basis. We had the game last week, but I was out with my dad since he was going to be gone for two weeks.

 

 

Oh. I thought you were saying because they're all backups lol. Why Rhodes isn't starting is baffling. He's looked really good when he's been on the field. Better than their current starters even. He usually comes in on nickel but plays outside and one of the starters slides in to nickel.

[Dutch 874]

From what I saw (which isn't a lot), I liked Xavier Rhodes and thought he was the best corner to go in the first round.

[Crash 105]

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

I will reserve judgement until he plays a good offensive line. Plus a couple years down the road changes everything with dlineman

Edited September 29, 2013 by Crash

[Bay 2,003]

Good to see Eric Reid is a "+" so far.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

So my man Kiko Alonso... O_o

 

I'm gonna have to watch his first three games. His numbers through four games are ridiculous.

 

 

 

I wish I could actually see Minnesota's first-round picks in action.

Why can't you?

 

I don't have any special cable packages and neither FOX nor CBS air the Vikings on a consistent basis. We had the game last week, but I was out with my dad since he was going to be gone for two weeks.

 

 

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=219488&part=sports

 

 

I was gonna offer my rewind account since you're the only cool Vikings fan I know, but this works too. haha.

[Thanatos 2,847]

 

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

I will reserve judgement until he plays a good offensive line. Plus a couple years down the road changes everything with dlineman

 

I wasn't saying anything about him being this great NFL player on par with JJ Watt after 3 games. That's your area of "expertise."

 

Just said it was interesting how good he is playing so far.

[Crash 105]

 

 

 

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

I will reserve judgement until he plays a good offensive line. Plus a couple years down the road changes everything with dlineman

I wasn't saying anything about him being this great NFL player on par with JJ Watt after 3 games. That's your area of "expertise."

 

Just said it was interesting how good he is playing so far.

I wouldn't say I'm a expert but I have been right about pretty much everything I have said.

 

Suh had a great rookie year as well and now he isn't the best DT on his team and isn't maybe the 3rd best DT in that draft.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

Lol. Oh God.

[blotsfan 2,112]

So my man Kiko Alonso... O_o

 

I'm gonna have to watch his first three games. His numbers through four games are ridiculous.

 

Easily our top defensive player so far. I'm in love. He's the mlb we needed so badly.

[Thanatos 2,847]

 

 

 

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

I will reserve judgement until he plays a good offensive line. Plus a couple years down the road changes everything with dlineman

I wasn't saying anything about him being this great NFL player on par with JJ Watt after 3 games. That's your area of "expertise."

 

Just said it was interesting how good he is playing so far.

I wouldn't say I'm a expert but I have been right about pretty much everything I have said.

 

Suh had a great rookie year as well and now he isn't the best DT on his team and isn't maybe the 3rd best DT in that draft.

 

R. O. F. L.

[Crash 105]

 

 

 

 

 

So Star is the highest rated and the only one even close is DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting.

I will reserve judgement until he plays a good offensive line. Plus a couple years down the road changes everything with dlineman

I wasn't saying anything about him being this great NFL player on par with JJ Watt after 3 games. That's your area of "expertise."

 

Just said it was interesting how good he is playing so far.

I wouldn't say I'm a expert but I have been right about pretty much everything I have said.

 

Suh had a great rookie year as well and now he isn't the best DT on his team and isn't maybe the 3rd best DT in that draft.

R. O. F. L.

You can laugh all you want, fairley is more technically sound, plays with more awareness and is a better run defender. Gerald McCoy plays with the same strengths as fairley over suh and if his first two years wouldn't have been cut down by injuries this may be a easy call and then lets not forget Mr. Third round pick from that year Geno Atkins, the best DT in the league was a 3rd round pick in the same draft as suh and McCoy which is exactly the point I was making about Star

[Thanatos 2,847]

No no no.

 

The ROFL was at "I have been right about pretty much everything I have said."

[oochymp 2,393]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... us-week-3/

 

This article is from Pro Football Focus. Interesting that the bottom half of the round seems to be out-performing the top half. Those "safe" top-5 tackles are especially bad. Meanwhile, the "risky" pick of Ansah is doing quite well according to these metrics.

I realize that PFF does a lot to try to isolate what individual players contribute, but you can't entirely factor out the circumstances around players, players who go to bad teams are asked to do a lot more while the players at the end of the draft go to more complete teams and can just slide into a limited role which leads to a much higher probability of early success

 

For example, most of those "safe" top-5 tackles are probably playing next to shitty guards, meaning they have to compensate for what those guys aren't doing, or perhaps their team has shitty WRs that can't get open so their QB holds the ball too long, or they just have a shitty QB who holds the ball too long for no apparent reason, on the other hand (since you used him as an example) Ansah as a DE gets to play with a couple of the best DTs in the game, meaning opposing olines are focusing their efforts on the middle which makes the path to the QB and to generally being a disruptive DE a lot easier for him

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

They severely overrate Jarvis Jones.