TGP Primary Poll: Democrats

[Sarge+ 3,436]

If you think Sanders has no chance of winning, you haven't been paying attention to anything at all.

[Cherry 1,302]

 

You keep saying Bernie fucked up, but you're not actually giving any examples.

 

And being big on social media is kinda important for a POTUS candidate these days. You're just an O'Malley fan that is bitter he has no chance at winning, so you like to think he had a better debate than Bernie. Sorry bud, hate to disappoint you.

Can't recall the exact question but Bernie had a moment where he completely blanked out and asked for the question to be repeated. Looked like he wasn't paying any attention. Also blanked out when talking about Putin IIRC. Very weak if he wasn't addressing his key focuses of wealth inequality and healthcare.

 

I can guarantee you I'm not just being a bitter O'Malley fan. I prefer Chafee to Webb but Chafee was ten times worse than Webb for instance. I'd argue the same for you being a jaded Bernie fan who sees his debate as a success regardless, but I'm not gonna get into a shitslinging fight.

 

The internet supports Bernie hugely. A big part of why he killed the online polls. Let's wait until we see the real polls.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Chernobyl426

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Ya there was a moment where Bernie was asked to follow up / respond to something that Jim Webb said where he just completely blanked and obviously had no idea what Webb had said and had no clue what to respond to. I don't know if he was just kind of thinking or forgot where he was or whatever... But it was a minor slip up. I didn't think it was that crazy of a thing though. I am not going to dock him much for that though.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

I can guarantee you I'm not just being a bitter O'Malley fan. I prefer Chafee to Webb but Chafee was ten times worse than Webb for instance. I'd argue the same for you being a jaded Bernie fan who sees his debate as a success regardless, but I'm not gonna get into a shitslinging fight.

 

The internet supports Bernie hugely. A big part of why he killed the online polls. Let's wait until we see the real polls.

 

Jaded Bernie fan? Lol. Yes, I'm so jaded that he continues to gain more and more support as time goes on, especially because of his debate performance. This isn't a shitslinging fight. Stop being dramatic.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Sarge

[Cherry 1,302]

Yeah that was it Favre. Bernie had a few moments like that where he seemed like he just wasn't paying any attention. It wasn't a Chafee slip-up but it was a slip-up nonetheless. That's what I'm referring to when I mentioned poise.

 

In terms of actual content Bernie would hesitate to talk about anything that wasn't based around breaking up wall street and helping the poor. I think it's a campaign strategy honestly. People don't like Bernie for his gun control or foreign policy. They like him for his policies on wealth.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bernie had a solid debate. But he still wasn't the best debater on stage.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Yeah that was it Favre. Bernie had a few moments like that where he seemed like he just wasn't paying any attention. It wasn't a Chafee slip-up but it was a slip-up nonetheless. That's what I'm referring to when I mentioned poise.

 

In terms of actual content Bernie would hesitate to talk about anything that wasn't based around breaking up wall street and helping the poor. I think it's a campaign strategy honestly. People don't like Bernie for his gun control or foreign policy. They like him for his policies on wealth.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bernie had a solid debate. But he still wasn't the best debater on stage.

 

Actually, that's not correct. Clinton's support of the war in Iraq is a big sore spot for democratic pundits and voters alike. Bernie's stances on foreign policy are more in line with left voters than Hillary's. You might be right about gun control, but that's only one issue. People love Bernie's stances on wealth inequality, climate change (which you haven't mentioned yet and it is one of his strongest policies), healthcare, college tuition, limiting/ending/opposing free trade agreements, limiting/ending/opposing the Patriot Act, and so on.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Sarge

[OSUViking 505]

I'm disappointed. Politicians aren't going to make this a good year for me to have my first presidential election. Really, I'm turned away by just about all candidates from all parties.

[blotsfan 2,112]

If you think Sanders has no chance of winning, you haven't been paying attention to anything at all.

Will you apologize when sanders gets destroyed in the primaries?

[Cherry 1,302]

Actually, that's not correct. Clinton's support of the war in Iraq is a big sore spot for democratic pundits and voters alike. Bernie's stances on foreign policy are more in line with left voters than Hillary's. You might be right about gun control, but that's only one issue. People love Bernie's stances on wealth inequality, climate change (which you haven't mentioned yet and it is one of his strongest policies), healthcare, college tuition, limiting/ending/opposing free trade agreements, limiting/ending/opposing the Patriot Act, and so on.

Re-read what I said. Bernie is obviously better at foreign policy than Hillary. With that said it's not the main reason he is getting support. The reasons you mentioned are the biggest focuses for him. Wealth inequality, climate change, healthcare, college tuition.etc. That's what is drawing in the huge crowds of support.

[seanbrock 1,684]

If voter turn out is high Bernie Sanders will destroy the competition. It's clear his message resonates with the American people. The working class and the middle class are fed up. If that turns into them having a defeated mentality and they don't turn out and vote then he'll lose.

 

Unfortunately one of the big aspects that makes Hillary Republican-like is her supporters are going to show up at the ballot box for sure.

 

To say that Sanders has no chance though when he's been gaining momentum non-stop for months and many of Hillary's policy stances are a reaction to the popularity of Sanders' is just not correct.

[Thanatos 2,847]

A lot of moderates like myself would love to vote for Bernie, but our state primaries prevent us from voting in them unless we are associated with that party- and a democrat, I am not.

 

I just have this bad feeling that Sanders won't be able to do anything once we get closer. The Dems will paint him as a socialist and that's a buzz-word that over 50% of Americans said they wouldn't vote for- they didn't describe it at all, just said, "Would you vote for a socialist?"

 

Hillary has the money and the support of her party. I've seen this play before, and it ended poorly before.

The real world doesn't have little guys who refuse the big donations taking down the evil empire.

 

I sure as hell hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see Bernie actually winning the Democratic nomination. Never have been able to. Maybe I'm just jaded as hell after years of never having a candidate I am actually proud of backing.

 

Sure he's got some great ideas that people love, but in the end I would still be somewhat shocked not to see Hillary win it, despite the fact that she has an FBI probe investigating her and despite the fact that she is the utter scum of the earth and I only despise her less than Trump out of everyone in this race. She will say *anything* to win, her policies have clearly changed in response to Bernie's resonating with people and despite all of that, she is still the favorite to win the nomination.

 

If she hasn't been DQ'd by her ridiculous number of lies and missteps to this point, I don't see why anything else that happens is going to give Bernie the impetus he needs to overcome her.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Thanatos19

[JetsFan4Life 542]

As far as Bernie's slip up I'm pretty sure he just got bored listening to Jim Webb. Can't blame him.

 

Like Thanatos I can't vote for Bernie because I'm a registered Independent due to the fact that I refuse to support the obviously flawed two party system. Do I think Bernie will win? No. But I do think he has somewhat of a chance.

[oochymp 2,393]

A lot of moderates like myself would love to vote for Bernie, but our state primaries prevent us from voting in them unless we are associated with that party- and a democrat, I am not.

fortunately Virginia doesn't have that rule, you don't even register for a party, in fact I've known people who vote in the other party's primary to try to get a weaker candidate nominated (which I think is what party registration is supposed to stop) though I have strong doubts that enough people do that to have any impact

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Ya, I think Bernie is by far the best candidate in the Democratic party. But, I don't think the Democratic leadership is going to support him in any sort of manner. They want Hillary. They've wanted Hillary for a long while now. They've hitched their cart to a horse and I don't foresee that changing.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Ya, I think Bernie is by far the best candidate in the Democratic party. But, I don't think the Democratic leadership is going to support him in any sort of manner. They want Hillary. They've wanted Hillary for a long while now. They've hitched their cart to a horse and I don't foresee that changing.

if people come out to vote they don have a choice.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

if people come out to vote they don have a choice.

 

Not really. All they have to do is fudge the numbers at your caucus / primary and delegates will be bound to HillDog just like that. Or if your state allows for delegates to sway from public opinion of your state, they will vote for her anyway.

 

EDIT: Also, it looks like Rand Paul people have been challenging Bernie to a town hall type debate, but his camp is issuing nothing but "No Comment". For shame. A libertarian V. socialist debate is all we need right now.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Favre4Ever

[Thanatos 2,847]

Rand Paul is all-but-out of the race. Why would Sanders give him a debate?

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

Rand Paul is all-but-out of the race. Why would Sanders give him a debate?

Well he wouldn't, because he'd get destroyed. He would lose a large base of support and get exposed. Literally makes no sense for him to do such a thing.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

Re-read what I said. Bernie is obviously better at foreign policy than Hillary. With that said it's not the main reason he is getting support. The reasons you mentioned are the biggest focuses for him. Wealth inequality, climate change, healthcare, college tuition.etc. That's what is drawing in the huge crowds of support.

 

That's 4 of the most important issues.... so they should draw crowds to any candidate who makes sense on those issues, no? I don't see your point, tbh.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Well he wouldn't, because he'd get destroyed. He would lose a large base of support and get exposed. Literally makes no sense for him to do such a thing.

 

Lol? Okay, bro. Rand Paul is incapable of "exposing" anyone at this point.

[Cherry 1,302]

 

That's 4 of the most important issues.... so they should draw crowds to any candidate who makes sense on those issues, no? I don't see your point, tbh.

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My point was that Bernie is incredibly weak on important topics such as foreign policy. He shouldn't simply revert back to talking about wealth inequality when he's asked a question about how he'd negotiate with Putin. That's probably why I'd say he didn't strike it out at the debates. He didn't fully answer the questions. He just said "Let's get back to the issues" and diverted to healthcare/wealth inequality.

[Sarge+ 3,436]

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My point was that Bernie is incredibly weak on important topics such as foreign policy. He shouldn't simply revert back to talking about wealth inequality when he's asked a question about how he'd negotiate with Putin. That's probably why I'd say he didn't strike it out at the debates. He didn't fully answer the questions. He just said "Let's get back to the issues" and diverted to healthcare/wealth inequality.

 

But he's not.... lol. Clinton's foreign policy is what is weak in the eyes of left voters.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Well if you look at his voting record I would trust him. He's for the deal with Iran. He voted against Iraq, but for Afghanistan. He's against trade deals with tons of other countries that violate human rights and send jobs overseas. He wants to cut military spending which definitely works when you're not fighting multi-trillion dollar wars. I would say his foreign policy is just common sense.

 

I also think the question of how are you going to negotiate with Putin is dumb. What candidate has more balls than Bernie Sanders? Look at his campaign. He'd be the president of the United States. He wouldn't be fist fighting Putin. I think Bernie would be fine.

[Favre4Ever+ 4,476]

" I want to be brief to be sure Jim Webb has a chance to talk "

 

 

Not so great... He compares Bernie to "the greatest president of the 20th century... FDR". Yikes. That should make people run far, far away. FDR single handedly destroyed the foundation of this country. Don't need any more FDR's in office.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Favre4Ever

[JetsFan4Life 542]

 

Not really. All they have to do is fudge the numbers at your caucus / primary and delegates will be bound to HillDog just like that. Or if your state allows for delegates to sway from public opinion of your state, they will vote for her anyway.

 

EDIT: Also, it looks like Rand Paul people have been challenging Bernie to a town hall type debate, but his camp is issuing nothing but "No Comment". For shame. A libertarian V. socialist debate is all we need right now.

 

Maybe if Paul looked decent in one of the Republican debates then Bernie could give this some light of day.