OSUViking 505 Posted December 13, 2017 Frankly, from the rhetoric I see on FB and from adults I know (which to clarify this is PURELY anecdotal), older people (40+) have no interest in letting the younger generation grow into it's own and shape the country's future. I don't give a damn about them. They can stay stuck in the past all they want. I am specifically referring to people I described above, not all older individuals. I agree with Blots. Best to just galvanize the portion of the population that is willing to approach issues from a "what are the long term effects on the country" perspective. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted December 13, 2017 People just arent patient enough for that, unfortunately. Plus, presidents in their first term heave to worry about re-Election and passing legislation that will be good in 10 years just doesnt fly. And even if a President did that, the next one of an opposing party would just trash it or rewrite it to benefit different special interests . Too many voters just tow party lines, as do politicians which is not helped by this failing two party system. The sweeping changes most of us desire requires a change to the fundamental grass roots of our entire politics system. Without those, youre looking at nothing more than a band-aid to most problems. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted December 14, 2017 This guys is a hell of a guy. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joe-biden-comforts-tearful-meghan-mccain-over-father-190504560.html Not bad for an old guy lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 14, 2017 Fun fact: racist "jokes" are explicitly used by Nazis to get people to become Nazis. So when you think you're being "ironically racist" you're really just being racist. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barracuda 629 Posted December 14, 2017 Aw shucks. Those are usually the best jokes though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted December 14, 2017 Sorry, no, blots. Going overboard here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 14, 2017 Sorry, no, blots. Going overboard here. I mean, the daily stormer said that's how they find supporters for their movement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) I asked a Chinese girl for her number. She said, "Sex! Sex! Sex! Free sex tonight!" I said, "Wow!" Then her friend said, "She means 666-3629 Fight me witcher bitch ass Edited December 14, 2017 by Omerta 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted December 14, 2017 Nothing can be off-limits in comedy, otherwise everything has an argument to be. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 14, 2017 Nothing can be off-limits in comedy, otherwise everything has an argument to be. Forgetting the whole part about indoctrinating Nazis, I completely disagree with this. Racist jokes tend to be incredibly easy, lazy, and repetitive. You hear it once and it's the same punchline over and over. Placing restrictions on yourself can force you to be more creative. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted December 14, 2017 What do you call a woman with no arms and no legs leaning against the wall? Eileen. What do you call an Asian woman with no arms and no legs leaning against the wall? Irene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted December 14, 2017 Forgetting the whole part about indoctrinating Nazis, I completely disagree with this. Racist jokes tend to be incredibly easy, lazy, and repetitive. You hear it once and it's the same punchline over and over. Placing restrictions on yourself can force you to be more creative. blots, people made and still make jokes about 9/11, Sandusky, and a million other topics equally as bad as or worse than racism. I don't know why this surprises you at all or how you expect to get rid of all of it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 14, 2017 blots, people made and still make jokes about 9/11, Sandusky, and a million other topics equally as bad as or worse than racism. I don't know why this surprises you at all or how you expect to get rid of all of it. It doesn't, and I don't. Just showing that it's more harmful than people like to say. Those jokes normalize racism, which is a strategy of the Nazis to get more support for their ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted December 14, 2017 Forgetting the whole part about indoctrinating Nazis, I completely disagree with this. Racist jokes tend to be incredibly easy, lazy, and repetitive. You hear it once and it's the same punchline over and over. Placing restrictions on yourself can force you to be more creative. Whether or not they're lazy or repetitive isn't the point. The point is claiming something is too offensive to be made in to a joke means anything can be argued as too offensive to be made in to a joke. It doesn't, and I don't. Just showing that it's more harmful than people like to say. Those jokes normalize racism, which is a strategy of the Nazis to get more support for their ideas. If someone is made in to a nazi, it's because they're a racist piece of shit. Not because they laughed at a racist joke. That's the most bizarre connection I've probably ever heard of. If someone laughs at a joke that involves a murder you think they're more likely to go murder someone after hearing it? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUViking 505 Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) It doesn't, and I don't. Just showing that it's more harmful than people like to say. Those jokes normalize racism, which is a strategy of the Nazis to get more support for their ideas.The overwhelming majority of people who make unfiltered jokes realize how dangerous that rhetoric is in certain contexts or if it is taken seriously. Edit: even my opinion of people is not so low that I assume they are so dumb to be casually persuaded by Nazis, and at least to me that's saying something Edited December 15, 2017 by OSUViking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BwareDWare94 723 Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) Can we stop using the term Nazi? It's incredibly fucking insensitive to Jewish people to equate basic racism to attempted eradication resulting in the deaths of millions of people. And yet leftists fail to see the irony in their rampant, consistent use of the term. To call a racist a Nazi is brazen and dismissive to the pain and death that actual Nazis inflicted upon a contingent of humanity. Seriously, this has gotten way out of hand. Edited December 15, 2017 by BwareDWare94 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 15, 2017 The overwhelming majority of people who make unfiltered jokes realize how dangerous that rhetoric is in certain contexts or if it is taken seriously. Edit: even my opinion of people is not so low that I assume they are so dumb to be casually persuaded by Nazis, and at least to me that's saying something Then why are the numbers of neo-nazis rising? Can we stop using the term Nazi? It's incredibly fucking insensitive to Jewish people to equate basic racism to attempted eradication resulting in the deaths of millions of people. And yet leftists fail to see the irony in their rampant, consistent use of the term. To call a racist a Nazi is brazen and dismissive to the pain and death that actual Nazis inflicted upon a contingent of humanity. Seriously, this has gotten way out of hand. I'm Jewish, so kindly fuck off. The people who run the daily stormer are nazis. They would kill every Jew (as well as most other minority groups) if they could. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted December 15, 2017 The irony is thick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 15, 2017 The irony is thick Beg your pardon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUViking 505 Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) Then why are the numbers of neo-nazis rising? The number of neo-Nazis isn't going to reach some critical mass where they become a major political force. If they do, we're probably beyond fucked as a country, but that's for another discussion. There are neo-Nazis in most developed countries, it's just that those nations don't have the sensationalist media that looks to profit off people being afraid of Nazis. I imagine what is happening is people with closeted beliefs, likely taken from their parents or stirred by insecurities (themselves possibly driven by the vitriolic rage many youth spew towards white men... And no I'm not making excuses) finding people who think similarly on the internet. Based on the amount of people I encounter with schizophrenia spectrum conditions, it'd be easy for me to say schizophrenia is on the rise, but that's probably not true. We're better at identifying on a professional and introspective level, and there are more avenues for them to express themselves. I'd imagine this "increase" in Nazis is a product of a truly toxic sociopolitical climate and this sometimes awesome, sometimes disgusting thing called the Internet. Can we stop using the term Nazi? It's incredibly fucking insensitive to Jewish people to equate basic racism to attempted eradication resulting in the deaths of millions of people. And yet leftists fail to see the irony in their rampant, consistent use of the term. To call a racist a Nazi is brazen and dismissive to the pain and death that actual Nazis inflicted upon a contingent of humanity. Seriously, this has gotten way out of hand. I have absolutely no problem calling the white supremacist filth spewed on the sites blots is talking about a kind of neo-Nazi rhetoric. Also, just so you know, there were MILLIONS of people killed by the Nazis who weren't Jewish. Do you realize Hitler wanted to eradicate Slavs because he viewed them as subhuman? Do you realize he did the same to homosexuals and the mentally impaired? Gypsies? The list of victims of Nazi atrocities is longer than just Jews. The fighting on the Eastern Front was perhaps the most brutal in history, arguably because the Soviets realized the Germans would rape their women and kill them if they were defeated (which happened in some places of Nazi-controlled USSR). Edited December 16, 2017 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 15, 2017 The number of neo-Nazis isn't going to reach some critical mass where they become a major political force. If they do, we're probably beyond fucked as a country, but that's for another discussion. There are neo-Nazis in most developed countries, it's just that those nations don't have the sensationalist media that looks to profit off people being afraid of Nazis. I imagine what is happening is people with closeted beliefs, likely taken from their parents or stirred by insecurities (themselves possibly driven by the vitriolic rage many youth spew towards white men... And no I'm not making excuses) finding people who think similarly on the internet. Based on the amount of people I encounter with schizophrenia spectrum conditions, it'd be easy for me to say schizophrenia is on the rise, but that's probably not true. We're better at identifying on a professional and introspective level, and there are more avenues for them to express themselves. I'd imagine this "increase" in Nazis is a product of a truly toxic sociopolitical climate and this sometimes awesome, sometimes disgusting thing called the Internet. I mean, the current president has neo-nazis in his cabinet, and is sympathetic to them. I know it feels like an eternity ago but it was only 4 months ago that he said there were many good people in the crowd chanting "The Jews Will Not Replace Us." The Neo-Nazis are a political force. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) I know we disagree on a lot blots, but if this is really what you believe I feel bad for you man. I'm not saying that to be facetious, or to be a dick. I really mean it, to wake up every day afraid of the country that you live in, that's no way to live. I'm starting to understand your desperation when it comes to politics a little bit more everyday. I meant or, not more. Edited December 15, 2017 by Omerta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 15, 2017 I know we disagree on a lot blots, but if this is really what you believe I feel bad for you man. I'm not saying that to be facetious, more to be a dick. I really mean it, to wake up every day afraid of the country that you live in, that's no way to live. I'm starting to understand your desperation when it comes to politics a little bit more everyday. That I believe the president has chosen neo-nazis to be in his cabinet? What part is wrong? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omerta+ 1,206 Posted December 15, 2017 That you believe Nazis are some political force. They are not, nor will they ever be, not in this country anyway. I was just saying sorry, cuz I truly am sorry to see people who wake up everyday afraid, that's no way to live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blotsfan 2,112 Posted December 15, 2017 That you believe Nazis are some political force. They are not, nor will they ever be, not in this country anyway. I was just saying sorry, cuz I truly am sorry to see people who wake up everyday afraid, that's no way to live. The president puts nazis into his cabinet, including having one as his chief advisor, and you still don't think they have any influence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites