DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted May 16, 2011 One of the analysts on NFLN mentioned something during the wrap up show that I found interesting regarding Greg Jennings. She said there were 14 receivers selected in the top 100, and Greg Jennings was #12 on that list... Should be interesting to see who's ahead of him. lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badgers 380 Posted May 16, 2011 One of the analysts on NFLN mentioned something during the wrap up show that I found interesting regarding Greg Jennings. She said there were 14 receivers selected in the top 100, and Greg Jennings was #12 on that list... Should be interesting to see who's ahead of him. lol. I saw that too. If I was him I'd be fucking pissed. Greg Jennings has the 4th best statistics for a WR in the past 3 years, and out of those top 4 he is the only one who has won a Super Bowl. Yet, the NFL players somehow put 14 WR in front of him? Should be VERY intersting to see who the players think is better than Jennings. I can tell you a few right now: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roddy White... Here's some guys who will most likely be voted ahead of Jennings but shouldn't: Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson, Braylon Edwards... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Packers Dynasty 2010 116 Posted May 16, 2011 Complete bullshit where Jennings was ranked. Like Gobadgers said, hes been #4 the past 3 years and that's even with a down year in terms of TDs in 09 and a new QB in 08. I like the fan rankings much more. He was in the twenties I believe they said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barracuda 629 Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) It seems us TGP members know much more than the actual players and coaches. And I really do mean that. I think our 100 list would be much better. Edited May 17, 2011 by Barracuda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badgers 380 Posted May 17, 2011 Complete bullshit where Jennings was ranked. Like Gobadgers said, hes been #4 the past 3 years and that's even with a down year in terms of TDs in 09 and a new QB in 08. I like the fan rankings much more. He was in the twenties I believe they said. That's just how it works I guess.. Greg Jennings better start his own TV reality show of him riding bulls so he can be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted May 30, 2011 Happy to see Suh in the top 100. Great spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ATL_Predator+ 1,196 Posted May 30, 2011 Also nice to see Matt Ryan in a good spot..people have too high of expecations sometimes...that man's got a lot to work with..and he's getting better each year, can't wait for next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FartWaffles 1,857 Posted May 30, 2011 Happy to see Suh in the top 100. Great spot. He definitely deserved to be on this list, and if they do this again next year he will probably be even higher especially with Nick Fairley helping him out as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bay 2,003 Posted May 30, 2011 2 49ers so far and one more upcoming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barracuda 629 Posted May 30, 2011 Sorry for not updating the list sooner for anyone who may not be watching it, but I'm also glad to see Ndamukong Suh and Matt Ryan in good position. This year they may go even higher on that list and it wouldn't be a bad guess. Perfect spots for those two. Glad to see some love for Jeff Saturday, if it was up to me he;d be even higher. List started off pretty bad, but it seems to be getting better at the halfway mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted May 30, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks Suh is too high? Sure he's a great pass rusher, but he hasn't even gotten close to completing his game yet. His discipline against the run improved but it still needs work, and if 5 of those sacks were just pressures by that one millisecond we definitely wouldn't be seeing him this high. He has another year like that, with improvements against the run, yeah he can be this high. Right now though, I'd have him in the 80's and the only rookie to make this list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllYouNeedIsLovie 377 Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) rofl at Marques Colston being over Brandon Lloyd and Greg Jennings. Edited May 30, 2011 by GoodellFTL 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) lol. The argument against Suh in the running game is so old that im not even going to bother responding to it. Let's just all act like he's an undisciplined player against the run by nature and that was what was holding him back from being the great player last year that almost everyone seems to agree he was. Edited May 30, 2011 by DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted May 30, 2011 He's not better than Kevin Williams, Kyle Williams, Richard Seymour, Jason Jones, Barry Cofield, or Brandon Mebane just yet. Gerald McCoy had a better year when playing, only difference is a few of Suh's pressures turned into Sacks and he didn't miss games. Does one good year make you one of the best players in the league? I say not yet, there's a reason they call them sophomore slumps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted May 30, 2011 He's not better than Kevin Williams, Kyle Williams, Richard Seymour, Jason Jones, Barry Cofield, or Brandon Mebane just yet. Gerald McCoy had a better year when playing, only difference is a few of Suh's pressures turned into Sacks and he didn't miss games. Does one good year make you one of the best players in the league? I say not yet, there's a reason they call them sophomore slumps. lol. And I never said he was one of the best players in the NFL, the title of the show is "Top 100 Players of 2011" and last year, Suh did play better then Kevin Williams, Jason Jones, Barry Coffield and Brandon Mebane. I would truly love to hear your reasoning behind having them ahead of Suh. Richard Seymour, maybe, bot both him and Kyle Williams' stats when compared to Suh's would say otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted May 30, 2011 Defensive Tackles don't need stats to be good. Look at Seattle's pass rush, Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons were meh players before, but with Mebane in the middle they exploded. Face it, if any one of those guys had the hype Suh did coming out of college we'd be holding them in a much higher regard now. Kevin Williams was still stomping nuts in Minnesota, even when his brother Pat had a down year, he picked up the slack. Jason Jones gets just as much pressure as Suh does and he did it with a worse defensive line around him. Barry Cofield, just ask Blue what Taze Me Bro means to his defense. Also I forgot Haloti Ngata, dude is a beast who has actually risen above the hype and proved himself. Suh can do that too, but he's just not there yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eefluxx 113 Posted May 30, 2011 rofl at Marques Colston being over Brandon Lloyd and Greg Jennings. Why the hate for Colston? Colston's stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2006 NO 14 70 1038 14.8 86 8 51 0 0 2007 NO 16 98 1202 12.3 45 11 64 1 1 2008 NO 11 47 760 16.2 70 5 35 1 0 2009 NO 16 70 1074 15.3 68 9 54 2 2 2010 NO 15 84 1023 12.2 43 7 57 0 0 Career 72 369 5097 13.8 86 40 261 4 3 Jennings Stats 2006 GB 14 45 632 14.0 75 3 30 1 0 2007 GB 13 53 920 17.4 82 12 37 1 0 2008 GB 16 80 1292 16.2 63 9 55 1 0 2009 GB 16 68 1113 16.4 83 4 48 0 0 2010 GB 16 76 1265 16.6 86 12 52 2 0 Career 75 322 5222 16.2 86 40 222 5 0 Lloyd's stats 2003 SF 16 14 212 15.1 44 2 9 0 0 2004 SF 13 43 565 13.1 52 6 26 0 0 2005 SF 16 48 733 15.3 89 5 34 1 1 2006 WSH 15 23 365 15.9 52 0 15 1 1 2007 WSH 8 2 14 7.0 9 0 0 0 0 2008 CHI 11 26 364 14.0 32 2 17 0 0 2009 DEN 2 8 117 14.6 44 0 5 0 0 2010 DEN 16 77 1448 18.8 71 11 72 0 0 Career 97 241 3818 15.8 89 26 178 2 2 And maybe you meant Brandon Marshall? Marshall's stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2006 DEN 15 20 309 15.5 71 2 14 1 0 2007 DEN 16 102 1325 13.0 68 7 70 3 1 2008 DEN 15 104 1265 12.2 47 6 65 3 2 2009 DEN 15 101 1120 11.1 75 10 56 0 0 2010 MIA 14 86 1014 11.8 46 3 57 2 1 Career 75 413 5033 12.2 75 28 262 9 4 Colston has had just as good of a career as those guys if not better. And with the exception of Jennings has a QB who gets all the WR's and RB's as well as TE's involved Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241 Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) Defensive Tackles don't need stats to be good. Look at Seattle's pass rush, Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons were meh players before, but with Mebane in the middle they exploded. Face it, if any one of those guys had the hype Suh did coming out of college we'd be holding them in a much higher regard now. So according to you, Suh being as good as he was considered last year was all hype? A DT goes #2 overall, everyone says that he is gifted against the run, but needs a lot of work in the pass rushing department finishes the year as one of the most disruptive DTs in the NFL, finishes the year with double digit sacks, amongst the top 5 interior lineman in pass deflections, amongst the top 5 in tackles, tackles for losses, Qb hits, and it just so happens that most of his success comes from hype? Ok. Kevin Williams was still stomping nuts in Minnesota, even when his brother Pat had a down year, he picked up the slack. It doesn't matter if Kevin Williams played well or not, I never said Kevin Williams played bad last year. I said Suh played better last year. Jason Jones gets just as much pressure as Suh does and he did it with a worse defensive line around him. Jason Jones also happens to be a defensive end, which means instead of rushing the QB from the middle of the field where it's harder to get to the QB through, he gets their through the outside. Once again I never said Jones played bad, I said Suh played better. I'd rather have the guy who had 6.5 more sacks, and the same number of 'disruptions'. And let's not act like the Titans' Dline is that much worse then the Lions' line, we only had 4 more sacks as a team then the Titans, and they have a much better secondary, and he did play on the opposite side of Babin. Barry Cofield, just ask Blue what Taze Me Bro means to his defense. Also I forgot Haloti Ngata, dude is a beast who has actually risen above the hype and proved himself. Suh can do that too, but he's just not there yet. I've already said Ngata is better then Suh a million times on different threads, and it's not like the players, or anyone has Suh ahead of Ngata. And as far as Barry Coefield goes, even though he was the NT for the Giants, he gave up more yards when the ball was run at his direction (2.9) as "inconsistent Suh" (2.4) according to FO, and that's with the Giants have a better back 7. And it's not like Suh wasn't the biggest piece of what made our Dline successful, he played almost double the amount of snaps then any other player on our line. I never said Suh was the best interior lineman last year, but I am saying that he deserved the spot he received on this poll if it is based on last year. Edited May 30, 2011 by DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Favre4Ever+ 4,476 Posted May 30, 2011 Suh is one of the most over hyped players in the NFL. I am happy for the Lions, it's nice to have a star in a pool full of mule shit... But enough is enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllYouNeedIsLovie 377 Posted May 30, 2011 Why the hate for Colston? Colston's stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2006 NO 14 70 1038 14.8 86 8 51 0 0 2007 NO 16 98 1202 12.3 45 11 64 1 1 2008 NO 11 47 760 16.2 70 5 35 1 0 2009 NO 16 70 1074 15.3 68 9 54 2 2 2010 NO 15 84 1023 12.2 43 7 57 0 0 Career 72 369 5097 13.8 86 40 261 4 3 Jennings Stats 2006 GB 14 45 632 14.0 75 3 30 1 0 2007 GB 13 53 920 17.4 82 12 37 1 0 2008 GB 16 80 1292 16.2 63 9 55 1 0 2009 GB 16 68 1113 16.4 83 4 48 0 0 2010 GB 16 76 1265 16.6 86 12 52 2 0 Career 75 322 5222 16.2 86 40 222 5 0 Lloyd's stats 2003 SF 16 14 212 15.1 44 2 9 0 0 2004 SF 13 43 565 13.1 52 6 26 0 0 2005 SF 16 48 733 15.3 89 5 34 1 1 2006 WSH 15 23 365 15.9 52 0 15 1 1 2007 WSH 8 2 14 7.0 9 0 0 0 0 2008 CHI 11 26 364 14.0 32 2 17 0 0 2009 DEN 2 8 117 14.6 44 0 5 0 0 2010 DEN 16 77 1448 18.8 71 11 72 0 0 Career 97 241 3818 15.8 89 26 178 2 2 And maybe you meant Brandon Marshall? Marshall's stats YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2006 DEN 15 20 309 15.5 71 2 14 1 0 2007 DEN 16 102 1325 13.0 68 7 70 3 1 2008 DEN 15 104 1265 12.2 47 6 65 3 2 2009 DEN 15 101 1120 11.1 75 10 56 0 0 2010 MIA 14 86 1014 11.8 46 3 57 2 1 Career 75 413 5033 12.2 75 28 262 9 4 Colston has had just as good of a career as those guys if not better. And with the exception of Jennings has a QB who gets all the WR's and RB's as well as TE's involved If we were talking about their whole careers, I would definately agree with you and I think maybe I would put him over Jennings and Lloyd, but this list is just for the 2011 season and Lloyd and Jennings had a better season than Colston did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted May 30, 2011 No, Jason Jones lined up as a DT for the Titans. But I just don't think a guy who only has a year of work to show for what he's done can be listed at almost 50. Jason Jones 4 Sacks, 2 Hits, 34 Pressures Ndamukong Suh 10 Sacks 6 Hits, 24 Pressures Let's not forget that Babin was a retread, a castoff from three different teams before suddenly having a good year playing next to Jason Jones and Tony Brown. Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams both have long track records as proven studs in this league, and Cliff Avril definitely showed signs of being a good player. Not so much on the Titans, just a bunch of young guys with a bit of potential. Saying he's the 8th or 9th best interior Defensive linemen or so, and there are 9 sort of groupings for players (QB, RB, WR, TE/OL, Edge Rushers, Interior DL, Tackle Linebacker, Corners and Safeties), really should put him somewhere from low 60's to high 80's. He's good and he's bound to get better, but he's not the 51st best player in the league yet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eefluxx 113 Posted May 30, 2011 If we were talking about their whole careers, I would definately agree with you and I think maybe I would put him over Jennings and Lloyd, but this list is just for the 2011 season and Lloyd and Jennings had a better season than Colston did. I can agree with that, but that does beg the question of why McNabb would be on the list if it was just for this year. Just NFL fail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllYouNeedIsLovie 377 Posted May 30, 2011 I can agree with that, but that does beg the question of why McNabb would be on the list if it was just for this year. Just NFL fail Yea, McNabb and Romo. I have no idea why they are on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteVo+ 3,702 Posted May 30, 2011 It seems us TGP members know much more than the actual players and coaches. And I really do mean that. I think our 100 list would be much better. Oh, there's no doubt. Think about it. The players' primary focus is preparing for their opponent each week. Maybe someone on the Eagles roster would have a better idea about teams in the NFC East because they play twice a year, but dedicated and knowledgeable fans (like most of us on TGP) have a much wider base of knowledge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
