RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Hallo members of TGP. I am undergoing a new project of an idea I got on a random tangent. I want to determine the true value of a high draft pick, to see if the first overall pick is really worth all the hutzpah. I'd do the compiling myself, but I still need some input from other people in order for this to be a less biased assignment. For each year from 1997 to 2008 I want you guys to give me a list of the top 32 players, in order for each draft class. What I'll do is get all of the results together (After my Midterm Hell Week is over), and rate the players who make the big list. Undrafted and Supplemental Draft Players are allowed. Top 5 Picks automatically get 4 base points. For each tier they go down on the consensus rankings they lose one base point. If they are off the list entirely they have a score of zero. Picks 6-10 have a base score of 3. They can go up one point if they are rated in the consensus top 5, and they can lose base points if they go down it tiers. If they stay in the consensus 6 to 10 range, they stay at their base points. Picks 11-20 have a base score of 2. etc etc Picks 21-32 have a base score of 1. etc etc Rounds 2 through the undrafted have a base score of 0. I'll just keep track of these so I can have some good 'surprise' places for GM's to consider drafting players. So for each draft selection (in the first round) I should have a score from each draft between 0 and 4. Theoretically, you should see the highest base score for the first pick, and gradually descending from there. I hope that won't be the case but it'll be interesting to see. Oh and there will be a graph. So all you eager people, you can start giving me lists for any year as soon as you can. I would like to have at least 10 lists for each year. Completed Lists so far: 1997 - Shotgun 1998 - No one 1999 - no one 2000 - AirMcNair 2001 - Phins4life, BayAreaBomber, RazorStar 2002 - no one 2003 - no one 2004 - BayAreaBomber, RazorStar 2005 - no one 2006 - no one 2007 - ZackofSteel 2008 - housemd Edited October 29, 2011 by RazorStar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
housemd 338 Posted October 19, 2011 So,do we PM you or post it here..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 19, 2011 Post or PM, I'll accept either one. I'll post it in the thread anyway just so I have it for quicker reference, but it's up to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted October 19, 2011 By top 32 players do you mean the first 32 draft picks or the 32 players we thought were the best from that draft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos 2,847 Posted October 19, 2011 By top 32 players do you mean the first 32 draft picks or the 32 players we thought were the best from that draft? The ones you thought were best, pretty sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 442 Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) 1997 Draft Tony Gonzalez Walter Jones Jason Taylor Orlando Pace Ronde Barber Darren Sharper Trevor Pryce Tiki Barber Sam Madison Corey Dillon Pat Williams Derrick Mason James Farrior Priest Holmes Peter Boulware Tarik Glenn Jake Delhomme Dexter Coakley Al Harris Kris Mangum Mike Vrabel Shawn Springs Derek Smith Jake Plummer Ike Hilliard Chad Lewis Mike Flynn Jamie Sharper Brad Maynard Matt Lepsis Joe Andruzzi Darrel Russell Edited October 31, 2011 by Shotgun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badgers 380 Posted October 19, 2011 Wow this is going to be a lot of work if I'm understanding you correctly. You want us to take the best 32 players from each draft class during that 10 year span, and list all 32 of them in order of who was the best to 32nd best? If that's true, I'll help out if I can get the time, and you have a lot of work ahead of you lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 19, 2011 GoBadgers has it dead on. And yeah it's a lot of work, so you might find yourself wanting to focus on doing one year at a time. (Because if I just wanted them in order of draft position, I'd use NFL.com, Wikipedia, or Pro-Football-Reference). I'll be using the consensus list to compare to the actual drafted list. In a way it's like doing a redraft, but without considering positional need, but just strictly the Best Player Available. The Most valuable picks will end up with 4 points for each draft class, and the draft positions at the end with the most points (Maximum of 48), are what should theoretically be considered the best positions to draft a player at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) I'm gonna try 2000: 1. Tom Brady 2. Brian Urlacher 3. John Abraham 4. Keith Bulluck 5. Chris Samuels 6. Shaun Ellis 7. Julian Peterson 8. Chad Clifton 9. Brian Waters 10. Jamaal Lewis 11. Thomas Jones 12. Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila 13. Shane Lechler 14. Shaun Alexander 15. Adalius Thomas 16. Bobbie Williams 17. Chad Pennington 18. Marc Bulger 19. Shaun O'Hara 20. LaVar Arrington 21. Brad Meester 22. Plaxico Burress 23. Laveranues Coles 24. Dante Hall 25. Mike Brown 26. Fred Robbins 27. Sebastian Janikowski 28. Dhani Jones 29. Mark Tauscher 30. Bubba Franks 31. Deon Grant 32. Ian Gold Edit: List complete thanks to gobadgers Edited October 22, 2011 by .AirMcNair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badgers 380 Posted October 20, 2011 I have no clue for 31 and 32..I was able to get up to 25 without having to look through wikipedia, but after that I had to go on a scavenger hunt for 26-30. Maybe you can fill in the blanks on 31 and 32 Razor..I'm at a loss. Mark Tauscher and Dhani Jones? Just two names that you didn't have that popped out to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) Mark Tauscher and Dhani Jones? Just two names that you didn't have that popped out to me. I had forgot all about Dhani Jones, lol, and to be quite frank, I don't think I've ever heard of Tauscher til now. Looking in to him a little though, I think I'm gonna bump Franks, Grant, Gold, Smith and Northcutt all down and place Tauscher and Jones ahead of them, as Franks/Grant/Gold/Smith/Northcutt were the most disappointing people on this list, IMO. THis is the toughest part about this..you always forget at least 1 guy, if not more. I'm lucky I didn't forget more than just Dhani, lol. Edited October 20, 2011 by .AirMcNair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 442 Posted October 20, 2011 I've thought myself that coming up with 32 for every year will be a bit challenging. Some of the drafts don't have all that many good players while a few others are stacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted October 20, 2011 There were some awesome players drafted in '05 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 20, 2011 I've got a few other names if you want them for 2000. Cornelius Griffin Marcus Washington Deltha O'Neal Na'il Diggs Corey Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 20, 2011 Bump, Thank you for the one list so far, AirMcNair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glanvilles Grits 142 Posted October 20, 2011 I'll do a few Sunday afternoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.AirMcNair. 1,232 Posted October 20, 2011 I've got a few other names if you want them for 2000. Cornelius Griffin Marcus Washington Deltha O'Neal Na'il Diggs Corey Simon Thought of O'Neal, but he went from average, great, average, terrible, great, average, terrible, lol. May very well be the most inconsistent corner(and one of the most inconsistent players) of the past decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) 2007 1. Darrelle Revis 2. Calvin Johnson 3. Joe Thomas 4. Patrick Willis 5. LaMarr Woodley 6. Marshal Yanda 7. Adrian Peterson 8. Lawrence Timmons 9. Jon Beason 10. Jared Gaither 11. Ahmad Bradshaw 12. Ryan Kalil 13. Brandon Mebane 14. Charles Johnson 15. Dwayne Bowe 16. Eric Weddle 17. David Harris 18. Josh Wilson 19. Sidney Rice 20. Ben Grubbs 21. Zach Miller 22. Michael Griffin 23. Justin Blalock 24. Kevin Boss 25. Desmond Bishop 26. Pierre Thomas 27. Steve Smith 28. LeRon McClain 29. LaRon Landry 30. Marshawn Lynch 31. Mike Sims-Walker 32. Brent Celek Edited October 20, 2011 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
housemd 338 Posted October 20, 2011 2007 1. Darrelle Revis 2. Calvin Johnson 3. Joe Thomas 4. Patrick Willis 5. LaMarr Woodley 6. Marshal Yanda 7. Adrian Peterson 8. Lawrence Timmons 9. Jon Beason 10. Jared Gaither 11. Ahmad Bradshaw 12. Ryan Kalil 13. Brandon Mebane 14. Charles Johnson 15. Dwayne Bowe Your first 15 is great,stopped reading at that point... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phins4life 271 Posted October 20, 2011 Been working on 2001 for several hours now. Almost done..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted October 20, 2011 thank you kindly, Zack, and preemptive thanks to Phins and housemd, for their lists which should be on here soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted October 20, 2011 I'll probably work on 2004 or 2005 next. Maybe tonight, probably tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
housemd 338 Posted October 20, 2011 I did 2008 again,with your suggestions,I'll post it here later...I'll do 2005 as my next list... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted October 20, 2011 I did 2008 again,with your suggestions,I'll post it here later...I'll do 2005 as my next list... When you get those done I will do mine to compare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
housemd 338 Posted October 21, 2011 When you get those done I will do mine to compare. Ok,i'll PM you... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
