Top 8 Defensive Ends

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Not quite the same, with the mix in the 43 34 defenses, it is unfair to have a top 10 group for ALL defensive ends.

 

Instead. This will be a thread for SEPARATE lists of Top 8 4-3 AND 3-4 defensive ends.

 

The reason why the number is eight, is because we still want to keep in perspective of who the best ends are, not just trying to round out the top 10 for both techniques...for the bottom 2 of 10 in each category would not be considered overall top 10 if the two techniques were to be lumped.

 

Hope that makes sense...now...

 

GO!

[RazorStar 4,025]

3-4 list, aka JJ Watt and the rest

 

1. JJ Watt

2. Justin Smith

3. Calais Campbell

4. Muhammad Wilkerson

5. Antonio Smith

6. Corey Liuget

7. Ray McDonald

8. Jason Hatcher

 

honorable mention: BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata

 

4-3 list

1. Cameron Wake

2. Jason Pierre-Paul

3. Charles Johnson

4. Derrick Morgan

5. John Abraham

6. Chris Clemons

7. Brandon Graham

8. Michael Bennett

 

honorable mentions: Chris Long, Julius Peppers

[BwareDWare94 723]

What about Jared Allen, Razor? There's no way he's not a top 10 4-3 (and overall) DE.

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I would put him at 11. I dunno, I just didn't think much of what he did this year, same with Trent Cole, who probably would have been high up here last year. There are a lot of good 4-3 DE's in the league, and I'm leaving out 'the other guys' who are actually pretty good like Brian Robison and Isreal Idonjie.

[Omerta+ 1,206]

3-4 list, aka JJ Watt and the rest

 

1. JJ Watt

2. Justin Smith

3. Calais Campbell

4. Muhammad Wilkerson

5. Antonio Smith

6. Corey Liuget

7. Ray McDonald

8. Jason Hatcher

 

honorable mention: BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata

 

4-3 list

1. Cameron Wake

2. Jason Pierre-Paul

3. Charles Johnson

4. Derrick Morgan

5. John Abraham

6. Chris Clemons

7. Brandon Graham

8. Michael Bennett

 

honorable mentions: Chris Long, Julius Peppers

 

 

Haloti Ngata not top 8..... .... i smell treachery afoot.

[RazorStar 4,025]

To be honest, I didn't know whether to classify Ngata as a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT. If I think of him as a 4-3 DT, he's probably 2nd or 3rd just behind Geno Atkins, and maybe that fat guy in New England. He probably plays like a 3-4 end more often though.

[Kayoh 1]

3-4

1. Watt

2. Wilkerson

3. Campbell

4. Hatcher

5. J.Smith

6. A.Smith

7. Raji

8. Liuget

 

4-3

1. Wake

2. Graham

3. JPP

4. Morgan

5. Abe

6. Bennett

7. C.Johnson

8. Hardy

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F 2,241]

3-4

1. JJ Watt

2. Justin Smith

3. Haloti Ngata

4. Calais Campbell

5. Muhammad Wilkerson

6. Corey Liuget

7. Ray McDonald

8. Antonio Smith

 

Ima do 4-3 later yo

[AllYouNeedIsLovie 377]

3-4

 

1. JJ Watt

2. Justin Smith

3. Haloti Ngata

4. Muhammed Wilkerson

5. Calais Campbell

6. Antonio Smith

7. Corey Liuget

8. Ray McDonald

 

4-3

 

1. Jared Allen

2. JPP

3. Cameron Wake

4. Chris Long

5. Julius Peppers

6. Charles Johnson

7. Derrick Morgan

8. Michael Bennett

[Socal 524]

Too Liuget to quit

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3-4:

1. Justin Smith

2. JJ Watt

3. Haloti Ngata

4. Calais Campbell

5. Muhammed Wilkerson

6. Ray McDonald

7. Corey Liuget

8. Antonio Smith

 

4-3:

1. Cameron Wake

2. Jared Allen

3. JPP

4. Chris Long

5. Julius Peppers

6. Mario Williams

7. Charles Johnson

8. Chris Clemons

Edited January 19, 2013 by RANGA

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3-4

1. Watt

2. J. Smith

3. Wilkerson

4. Campbell

5. McDonald

6. A. Smith

7. Hatcher

8. Liuget

 

 

 

4-3

1. Cameron Wake

2. Jared Allen

3. JPP

4. Charles Johnson

5. Chris Clemons

6. John Abraham

7. Michael Bennett

8. Greg Hardy

[AllYouNeedIsLovie 377]

Everyone besides me has Cameron Wake at #1... Has he learned how to stop the run really well? I honestly didn't pay too much attention to him this year.

[Kayoh 1]

Everyone besides me has Cameron Wake at #1... Has he learned how to stop the run really well? I honestly didn't pay too much attention to him this year.

yes. Wake is tied for 3rd in the NFL (behind Allen & Cameron Jordan, tied with Lamarr Houston) for most stops in the NFL amongst 4-3 DEs. Stop is defined by tackle on a run play that causes the offense to gain less than 40% of the yards required to get a first down on first down, 60% on second, and 100% on 3rd/4th.

Edited January 19, 2013 by Kayoh

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[Kayoh 1]

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[BwareDWare94 723]

Oh thank God. People are finally putting Allen on their lists. Him not being #1 or 2 in the 4-3 section, and often missing altogether, had me scratching my head.

[Glanvilles Grits 142]

Is this defensive ENDS or defensive lineman? Because a lot of you are putting 3-4 DTs in as 3-4 DEs. Make up your minds. Playing a snap here and a snap here at end doesn't make you a defensive end. Ngata and Raji are defensive tackles who play outside in just a couple sets. Not often enough to be considered a defensive end, not even close.

 

 

So until you say that, I'll do 4-3 defensive ends:

 

1. Jared Allen

2. Cameron Wake

3. Julius Peppers

4. Charles Johnson

5. John Abraham

6. Mario Williams - Played injured all year, I can't drop him off this list yet he still put in solid production.

7. Chris Clemons

8. Jason Pierre-Paul

[Glanvilles Grits 142]

Alright, here's my 3-4 list.

 

3-4 Defensive Ends:

 

1. JJ Watt

2. Justin Smith

3. Antonio Smith - He's playing opposite JJ Watt, but still puts up solid #'s for 3-4 DEs.

4. Calais Campbell

5. Corey Liudget

6. Muhammad Wilkerson

7. Brett Keisel

8. Ziggy Hood - this kid has gotten so good in recently. He gets better every time he steps on the field. Perhaps he should have just been an honorable mention, but he has real talent and he plays both the run and pass well.

[Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014]

Alright, here's my 3-4 list.

 

3-4 Defensive Ends:

7. Brett Keisel

8. Ziggy Hood - this kid has gotten so good in recently. He gets better every time he steps on the field. Perhaps he should have just been an honorable mention, but he has real talent and he plays both the run and pass well.

 

LMMFAO.

 

Credibility gone.

[Turry 755]

Ngata plays as 3-4 end not a nose tackle and in 4-3 he is a DT.

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Is this defensive ENDS or defensive lineman? Because a lot of you are putting 3-4 DTs in as 3-4 DEs. Make up your minds. Playing a snap here and a snap here at end doesn't make you a defensive end. Ngata and Raji are defensive tackles who play outside in just a couple sets. Not often enough to be considered a defensive end, not even close.

 

Not one single list has a 3-4 NT in their 3-4 DE top 8.

 

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